March 20, 2009Harvard Child Psychiatrist Claims Harvard Profs Are Second To GodIn a deposition in a lawsuit against J&J/Janssen, controversial Harvard child psychiatrist Joseph Biederman testified under oath and was asked what rank of professor he is at Harvard. His answer is revealing about more than Biederman. (Via the In Vivo blog.) Lawyer: "What rank are you?" Is this how Harvard profs see themselves? If it is, it sure explains a lot about the financial crisis this country faces because Wall Street is basically the post-grad rumpus room for elites who went to Harvard and other Ivy League schools, or who taught at them. Larry Summers? Harvard. President Barack Obama? Harvard (and Columbia). President George W. Bush? Harvard (and Yale). Timothy Geithner? Dartmouth. The list is endless and I think Biederman is basically expressing the world view of how many Harvardites and Ivy Leaguers see themselves--infallible, God-like, better than you, step aside and hand me my entitlement. Exactly the kinds of Ivy League snots I had to deal with in grad school at UC Berkeley. I so enjoyed crushing them on a regular basis. The reality is that a fair number of these folks aren't so smart and are first-class screw-ups surviving on arrogance and attitude. Let's just hope President Obama is better than the rest of them. Biederman is under investigation for loads of conflicts of interest between himself and various pharma companies and there's a whole load of background on him here. Posted by Philip Dawdy at March 20, 2009 01:04 PM
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Not sure of the context here, but my guess is that this was a discussion of academic independence. Full professors do not answer to administrators, deans, or anyone else on academic matters. This is an arrogant thing to say, certainly. But I'd bet my bottom dollar that if you show this quote in context it'll be clear that he's not suggesting that Harvard professors are infallible, just that they don't have to kowtow up the food chain. Philip Dawdy responds: it is in context. it was at the beginning of the depo where lawyers commonly ask what someone's job or rank is. pretty perfunctory stuff. and maybe biederman thought he was joking, but there is no notation of any laughter on the depo transcript. you can download it yourself on the in vivo site. Posted by: eddie at March 20, 2009 01:21 PMPhilip, I agree that Biederman needs to be punched out. However, to extend the punch-out session to all ivy leaguers strikes me as unfair. I went to an ivy league school, and I have my struggles, like a lot of other people. I really admire your blog, but this just strikes me as totally alienating. I know some ivy leaguers are snots, but a lot aren't, and implying they all are just gives me one more reason not to want to say where I went to college. By the way, a lot of those snots don't have entitlements, and are in deep financial aid, and - although there have been some changes lately - have the graduation gift of hefty loans to be repaid. Posted by: Yalie at March 20, 2009 03:31 PMPeace be with you Biederman better hope he doesn't piss off his boss. Does that put him in front of Jesus as god's right-hand man? It is hard for me to accurately articulate how that statement makes me feel, but I am way past being surprised. People who think they are god-like tend to play god a little to often. I believe Biederman is such, and I suspect that Professor of law from the "Chigago School" is no exception either. love eternal I think Biederman was trying to make a condescending dig at the deposing lawyer frankly but it's still reflective of where his head was at. Posted by: Sara at March 20, 2009 05:39 PMI guess when you're second only to God, then you don't have to follow rules. You make your own. That must explain my former psychiatrist. When patients compare themselves to God they get loaded up on antipsychotics. When a psychiatrist compares himself to God he gets large grants. Go figure. Posted by: Lisa at March 20, 2009 06:36 PMSame stuff, different context: at link, Matt Taibbi exposes AIG/Wall Street. Above him only his father, so Biederman is Jesus. Yalie, Ana Posted by: Ana at March 21, 2009 02:44 AMI just went to the Dr. a few weeks ago and asked to be switched to Natural Thyroid from synthetic (after doing extensive research). The doctor's reply; No, I don't prescribe that because that's not what Harvard or Yale docs would prescribe. Not saying I hate all Harvard docs. Dr. Peter Breggin and some other good people went there. Posted by: Damaged by Docs at March 21, 2009 08:27 AMAna, David Oaks went to Harvard. He is speaking up, lots of Ivies and Seven Sisters folks in the c/s/x movement who speak up, same problem for them as anyone else in the movement, they don't get listened to, get discredited as crazy, a degree doesn't mean anything when you're in the loony bin, in fact it can make things worse as doctors and nurses try to prove you aren't all that or whatever their own insecurities they want to act out on a person. I saw a doctor in a psych. ward treated horribly, worse than others. there's no Ivy or non-Ivy in foxholes.. Posted by: Alison Hymes at March 21, 2009 04:46 PMI appreciate your remark, Alison. As for Ana: I don't quite understand your garbled message or garbled logic. My point was that Philip was extrapolating justifiable outrage at Biederman's arrogance to (in my opinion) unjustified, misplaced outrage at anyone who has attended an ivy league school. There are real villains worth fighting in this world, and real evils, and it is prudent to aim carefully. I appreciate this blog because Philip seems to be on target. Here, though, I think he's off, and indulging in a little grudgery that if I weren't a regular reader of this blog would turn me off from it altogether. Posted by: Yalie at March 21, 2009 06:22 PMI'm with Philip on this. Everything we believed about banks, business, medicine, media, and government continues to fall apart, and those in control came from a few select places. For facts and diagrams, go to http://theyrule.net or a newer site called Muckety. Posted by: Lilly NC at March 21, 2009 08:07 PMAlyson. Yalie,
"Conspiracism serves the needs of diverse political and social groups in America and elsewhere. It identifies elites, blames them for economic and social catastrophes, and assumes that things will be better once popular action can remove them from positions of power. As such, conspiracy theories do not typify a particular epoch or ideology" Mintz, Frank P.. The Liberty Lobby and the American Right: Race, Conspiracy, and Culture. Westport, CT: Greenwood. pp. 199. Posted by: Yalie at March 22, 2009 02:07 PMOk, one more quote, and I'll stop. And just to reiterate, I am a huge fan of Furious Seasons, but object to this post which would seem to encourage the demonization of a group of people of which I happen to belong. Is some nerdy kid going to get shunned or worse because he's one of those "ivy league snots" that are responsible for everything that's wrong with the world? Is this responsible journalism? This quote is via wikipedia: I thought when in Boston, God only speaks to the Cabots and the Lodges. I am so glad i didn't go to Robert Cohen's Alma Mater, just was a town rat there. Posted by: susan at March 23, 2009 03:56 AMPost a comment
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