August 07, 2008

Report: Anthrax Murderer Was On Psych Meds

As gingerly as possible, I want to note that the Los Angeles Times is reporting that Bruce Ivins, the Army anthrax scientist who killed himself last week and is believed to be the man responsible for killing five and sickening others by mailing out anthrax in 2001, was indeed on psych meds. Currently, the paper is reporting that he was on Celexa, an anti-depressants, and I've seen other indications that he may have been on antipsychotics as well. It's also known that he'd been seeing a therapist.

I don't draw any conclusions at this point about any SSRI/violence connection. Ivins, to judge by press coverage, was a seriously messed-up man who was a sociopath, likely well in advance of ever touching an anti-depressant. I seriously doubt any of us could ever build a defensible case that "Celexa made him do it."

I am simply noting his psych med use in order to document the many ways psych meds have crept into our culture and become tangled up in all manner of human tragedies.

Feel free to disagree with me in comments.

Posted by Philip Dawdy at August 7, 2008 10:43 AM
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Psychopaths don't get any effect on psychiatric drug relating to psychopath problems.
The scary thing are the side effects that can lead these people angry because, for instance SSRI sexual problems... and other effects.
"-Someone has to pay for my side effects."
Someone for a psychopath means... anyone?

Posted by: Ana at August 7, 2008 12:15 PM

Sociopath is not a diagnosis - it is pseudo psych, not really fitting for this site. Is it in the DSM IV? What are the diagnostic criteria? It is police/prosecutor-speak for "he is a bad person" in an Old Testament sense (a devil, incurable, no idea how he got that way, do not care).

That said, Ivins is possibly the culprit, but there is not enough evidence that I have seen to conclude it must have been him and no one else.

Generally, love the site - keep up the fine work!

Posted by: cfw at August 7, 2008 01:10 PM

Isn't it more scary how they use the fact he had past mental health issues and was on medication as evidence that he was responsible?
guess that's just one more reason to avoid these drugs, they might be used against you as proof you did bad things....

Posted by: Thomas P at August 7, 2008 01:35 PM

I found the NYT article on Ivins confusing as regards his psychiatric state and any impact of the polypharmacy. Wouldn't be so quick to give him a sociopath label, especially as he described paranoid delusions, fixations (on Kappa Kappa Gamma), and was described as manic by his co-workers. Clearly, something was the matter and clearly neither doctors nor drugs helped the situation. It would be nice if NYT reporters would call one of the people on the 100 medical experts you can trust to be able to present a clearer picture in situations like this.

Posted by: Sorrowful at August 7, 2008 02:18 PM

The only way we would ever get a clearer picture would be if a very thorough investigation of Ivins' treatment history took place and there was complete transparency about it. Certainly at this point there are tantalizing details pointing to bizarre changes in behavior brought on by Celexa but without a lot more information no one can build a convincing case. Just as in the Cho case the pressure against public disclosure of just what went on between the patient and the treating professionals is enormous and information that would be so crucial in determining the clinical effectiveness, or more likely ineffectiveness, of treatment protocols is likely going to be lost forever. It's actually rather amazing that the brand name of the antidepressant has made it into the public forum, but beyond that there's little information. The failure over and over again to use such information to learn and to educate really boggles my mind. Just who are we protecting here? I think it's big pharma and regulatory authorities. It's certainly not the perp, the victims or the public.

Posted by: Sara at August 7, 2008 03:32 PM

P.S. You can bet that Forest Pharmaceuticals is having a hissy fit over the mention of Celexa in the context of this case and probably bending over backwards to make sure no further clinical evidence is released. And I'm sure they're doing everything in their power to blame Ivins' "disease" for all that happened. Damage control is undoubtedly in high gear and the truth be damned.

Posted by: Sara at August 7, 2008 04:49 PM

I hate it when these shitheads give us loonies a bad name. Doubt Celexa could bring this on.

Posted by: Francesca Allan at August 9, 2008 11:51 AM
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