"The Infinite Mind" Producer Responds To Slate.com Article

It's just been brought to my attention that Bill Lichtenstein has posted a response to the Slate.com piece earlier this week taking "The Infinite Mind" to task for not disclosing its Big Pharma funding as well as the ties to pharmaceutical companies of its host, Fred Goodwin, and three guests on a recent program, "Prozac Nation: Revisted." The original Slate piece is here. My earlier critique of the program (well ahead of the Slate article) is here and my thoughts on the Slate piece are here. Lichtenstein is the senior executive producer of the program.

I'll let Lichtenstein's response speak for itself. Feel free to chime in in comments or go leave comments on Slate, if you are registered there.

"From Bill Lichtenstein "Senior Executive Producer, The Infinite Mind

"In their May 6 Slate article, Jeanne Lenzer and Shannon Brownlee use The Infinite Mind's recent program "Prozac Nation: Revisited" to frame an argument that pharmaceutical companies are planting "stealth marketers" inside seemingly objective media outlets to manipulate public opinion. The article suggests that as public radio producers we have allowed our guests on our national weekly program to hide financial links with pharmaceutical companies for the purpose of promoting the use of dangerous prescription drugs.

"Ironically, "Prozac Nation: Revisited" was intended to examine the way the media has handled links between violent behavior, suicide and antidepressants. Our interest in the story began with press reports about Steven Kazmierczak, whose shooting rampage at Northern Illinois University left six dead and 16 wounded. We wanted to know: Why did the major news media uniformly target Steven's withdrawal from an antidepressant as explanation for his violent act? Why did the media ignore any number of other factors, such as his gun collection, his work as a prison guard, or his troubled childhood? We were interested in exploring the reflexive public reaction that ends up making the medication the culprit, and so simplifies a disturbing violent act while stigmatizing the already vulnerable people who take or consider taking prescription medication for depression.

"And at the core of the program, we asked the question we always ask, the question that has guided the past 10 years of The Infinite Mind: Where is the best science on this particular issue? In this case, does the science find links between antidepressant medications and out-of-control behavior?

"To help us, we turned to recognized experts in the field. Framing the discussion, we began with Dr. Andrew Leuchter, director of UCLA's Laboratory of Behavior and Pharmacology, who himself has conducted much of the important research in this area.

"Next, we spoke with Dr. Nada Stotland, current president of the American Psychiatric Association and an expert in medical ethics. Dr. Stotland, another distinguished research scientist and clinician, spoke about the gap between public perception and the research about violence, suicide and psycho pharmaceutical medications.

"Finally, we talked to Peter Pitts, a former associate commissioner for the Food and Drug Administration who was involved in the FDA's 2004 "black box" labeling of antidepressants as carrying a risk of suicidal thoughts and behavior, and who was at the time the "go-to" guy for the FDA on that issue.

"What we didn't know, because he didn't disclose it to us, was that Pitts is currently working for a public relations firm whose clients include major pharmaceutical companies. If we had known, and (full mea culpa here) we should have, we would have disclosed that connection. Pitts apparently didn't disclose it elsewhere, either - he's appeared on NPR's Talk of the Nation as well as PBS' News Hour with Jim Lehrer, without either of those programs mentioning the PR company ties.

"In any case, to suggest that distinguished researchers such as Drs. Stotland and Leuchter are shills for the drug industry is bad journalism. Pharmaceutical companies fund the lion's share of research being conducted today. There are strict ethical codes and laws governing the use of such funds. Journalists covering this industry know that, and routinely disclose only those ties that are likely to raise serious questions about a researcher's neutrality. It would be patently ridiculous, for example, to presume that Dr. Stotland, speaking for all American psychiatrists as president of the APA, would somehow distort the truth because of some past connection to an industry speakers' bureau.

"It is important to state that we stand by the program and its editorial content. There is, as our guests observed, no credible evidence that the use of antidepressants contributes to the sort of violence that erupted at NIU. There is, on the other hand, a study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention suggesting that more young people may be dying in part because of the chilling effect of the FDA "black box" warning. While some will take issue with these studies, we believe they are important, that they deepen the public dialog, and that they've gotten lost in superficial media coverage of a complex issue.

"So finally, let's tackle the other question raised in the Slate article: Is it acceptable for a public radio program about the human mind to take grants from the pharmaceutical industry?

"Back in 1994, I came face to face with that question. Preparing to produce a program about people living with schizophrenia, I met with Delano Lewis, who was at the time president of National Public Radio. I told Lewis that I had offers of unrestricted educational grants from several pharmaceutical companies who were interested in helping lift some of the stigma about this misunderstood and feared disease, but that I wasn't sure whether it would be proper to accept the grants.

"The conversation that we had helped set the ground rules that have governed our underwriting ever since. Lewis began by observing that in many cases, especially on difficult and unpopular subjects, it would be hard to find support from organizations without some kind of substantial interest in the subject matter. The important thing, he said, was to assure listeners and stations that there was an absolute firewall between funding sources and editorial decision-making.

"With this in mind, 14 years ago, we created a system with the following rules: We would take no more than 15 percent of our total budget from any one industry sector. We would not take substantial amounts from any one company. Corporate support would have to come in the form of unrestricted "no strings attached" educational grants. Corporate funding would be mixed with support from other sources (in the case of The Infinite Mind, that's been sources like the MacArthur Foundation, the National Institutes of Health and the National Science Foundation.) We would list underwriters on the air. Under no circumstance would producers ever have editorial discussions with any funder; and it's probably important to note that in the case of the pharmaceutical industry, such conversations would be a violation of federal law as well as a violation of our own ethics as journalists. And, we would require employees to sign a code of conduct that requires disclosure of any potential conflict of interest and makes failure to disclose a fireable offense.

"By the way, our 1994 program on schizophrenia, with substantial and disclosed support from the pharmaceutical industry, won a Peabody Award and was credited with changing the way Americans look at people with serious mental illness. Over the past 18 years, following these rules, our programming on the human mind has been honored with more than 60 awards for journalistic excellence and offering insight into issues that society would often prefer to ignore.

"In the interest of full disclosure, I also should note for the record that Lenzer, who co-authored the Slate article, called me a few days after the "Prozac Nation: Revisited" program aired to pitch a program that she wanted us to do for The Infinite Mind, called "Journalists on Prozac," which would feature her and her writing partner Shannon Brownlee. Checking into Lenzer's credentials, I found a troubling article in The New York Times taking her to task for a British Medical Journal article that suggested that Eli Lilly and Company, which makes Prozac, had concealed documents about the link between anti-depressants, suicide and violence. The BMJ subsequently retracted the article, with full apologies, and the whole matter was widely covered in the news media.

"After we told Jeanne Lenzer that we would not be proceeding with a program featuring her, she and Brownlee wrote the article for Slate."