I think the Beeb's reporter is James Naughtie (pron: Noch (to rhyme with "loch")-tea)

Matt

I'm pretty thankful that I took Paxil on and off. I was supposed to be consistent in taking it every day but I would take it for two days and forget to take it for another two day.

The side effects were instantaneous by the third day. I felt the brain zaps and many side effects similar to that of Effexor. I didn't feel all there. These side effects reminded me that I needed to get back on the drug.

When I got back on Paxil, everything was fine again. I told my doctor — a PCP — that Paxil was making me feel weird and she berated me for not taking it consistently. After three months of the back and forth, my doctor finally got tired of my complaining and put me on Lexapro.

The withdrawal wasn't as hellish as I thought it would be (probably because I wasn't taking it as consistently as most people) but I remember being at a baseball game feeling woozy and hazy. Everyone, from my doctor to my family, told me that the withdrawal effects were a result of my not taking the drug regularly.

I'm not a fan of Lexapro's side effects but it sure as hell beats Paxil anyday.

Try it everyday for 4 years..
Not fun...

Paxil seems to cause the worst side effects when taken regularly for a long time (two to three years and over) ..

Personally I canot even describe in words the utter anguish torture and pain I suffered both on and coming off this drug...

It affected me physically and psycholgically so badly, I can only compare it to what it must have felt like in the Nazi Death camps..

I puked, crapped and sweated my way through 9 months of sheer torture, with akathisa, depersonalization , nose bleeds, anus bleeds, muscle spasms, headaches, vertigo, insomnia, the works..

It destroyed and obliterated any semblance of sanity I had at the time, thankfully that was some years ago...

Nasty fuckin Drug..

Should never have been licensed, that much is as obvious as JP Garnier is arrogant ...

When James Naughtie met his Waterloo

The Today presenter asked his question seven times. Frustrated, Jean-Pierre Garnier hung up. Politeness had won
May 20, 2008 10:00 AM

The biter bitten ... Today's James Naughtie. Photograph: BBC

Yesterday, listeners to Radio 4's Today programme heard the biter bitten, as GlaxoSmithKline chief executive Jean-Pierre Garnier took exception to James Naughtie's questioning. Garnier was there to talk about his company's bird-flu vaccine for humans. Naughtie kept asking him about the Seroxat row, and the availability of information about the anti-depressant's side effects after it was linked to suicidal impulses in young people.

Garnier gave an answer he clearly felt was sufficient. Naughtie repeated the question - seven times - but Garnier refused to be cowed. Perhaps he was unfamiliar with the great British tradition that interviewees must cringe beneath the mighty sword of truth wielded by Radio 4 presenters but, over the course of the 10-minute interview, Garnier gave as good as he got. Politeness became a weapon. "If you don't mind, I think I have answered this question three times ... If you have other questions, please go on." Naughtie then lost ground by addressing his guest as "Jean-Paul".

Finally, Garnier - not Naughtie - brought the interview to a close: "I am not interested in this question. We have dealt with this subject. Thank you ... for taking the time to hear about [the vaccine], and I wish you the best. Goodbye."

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the Seroxat row, Garnier's performance felt like a useful corrective to our national willingness to accept mere hectoring as the Today programme's preferred method of debate. Did we learn anything useful after, say, the second repetition of the question? Do Naughtie et al really think that simply reformulating a question will cause a guest to spill the truth? Au revoir, M Garnier, and thanks for all the questions.
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http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/tv/2008/05/when_james_naughtie_met_his_wa.html

Sara XXX

Hectoring gets you nowhere !!

"Hectoring gets you nowhere !!
Says Sara xxx "

Well that's an ironic statement "morse" , considering we are dealing with a massive corporate "Bully" like GSK..

Naughtie didn't "Hector" or "Bully" JP Garnier..
The suggestion that a mere Radio presenter could attempt to Bully a man of his immense bullying power and stature is absurd ..

Naughtie may have resorted to harrassing him by the end of this interview but Garnier certainly gave as good as he got, and even at that came across lke an cold, unaring, arrogant, conceited , self absorbed **** (fill in expletive here)

Please stop trying to undermine any progress in bringing awareness to Seroxat dangers , I don't understand why you do this..

Dear truthman30 at May 20, 2008 03:59 PM

The radio4 interview with Naughtie / Garnier is a very good example of loss of control of the issue because of the tactics of the interviewer.

Rightly or wrongly Garnier was there to talk about birdflu. I would have imagined if seroxat had of been mentioned before the interview was even scripted Garnier or his minders would not have allowed it to take place at all.

Naughtie went unto the Seroxat point not once, not twice but about seven times !!

Obviously truthman30 you have a limited understanding about manners.

So Naughtie tried to hijack Garnier just like the Seroxat litigants led by their lawyer & their media relations company hijacked the entire SSRI class issue.

You don't like it up you

Sara xxx

Please sign this petition on the 10 Downing Street website

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SS-SNRI-Anomaly/

Sara xx wrote:
"...So Naughtie tried to hijack Garnier just like the Seroxat litigants led by their lawyer & their media relations company hijacked the entire SSRI class issue..."

Well, I can only speak personally, but I don't find that I have been hijacked by the Seroxat litigants, although, to be fair, I'm only piggybacking on their campaign, given that my issue is with generic fluoxetine, made by any one 15 companies that are authorized to market the drug in the UK. The wider issues are identical for both me and them, however.

Monty Burns is a lying, evasive fuckwit - that's already been demonstrated officially. He's also a bully, and a coward, which has been demonstrated officially, too (by the Senate Finance Committee (incidentally, I don't think the SFC likes Monty, very much!)).

Now, Naughtie asked, quite pertinently, whether the Seroxat investigation docs would be released into the public domain. The evasive fuckwit said that they would be subject to FOIA request. GSK is not a public body, so, as I understand it, the FOIA has got fuck all to do with anything. Next, from a practical perspective, how the fuck does one request a document, when one doesn't know that it exists? We don't even have a list of the "million pages" that the MHRA looked at, so that we can cherry pick the stuff that we think is interesting to us.

Let's put that a different way: "Erm, Mr GSK, can I have a document that may or may not exist that pertains to your withholding of SAE data, with respect to the treatment of depression in minors, please?" To which Mr GSK replies "I think you'll have to be more specific," but one can't be more specific, because one doesn't know what one is asking for.

Garnier's a cunt, and no amount of blaming Naughtie for hectoring changes that.

Matt

13 signatures. See who is second on that list.

I think we can safely assume 'Sara' is actually Bryce and this is the same person who took it upon himself to send photographs of me in Australia to solicitors, a mental health charity CEO, my MP and probably GSK and the MHRA too.

Apparently I shouldn't have gone to Australia seeing as I suffer with osteoarthritis. Funny, because I saw a few people on the plane that were confined to wheelchairs!

Face it Mr Bryce - you are pissed because you cannot get anyone to take your case on.

That is no fault of ours. You can continue to throw stones if you so desire. You are acting like some petulant school kid.

Now move on and find yourself a solicitor who is prepared to take your case on.

Regards

Fid

Listen Morse (Saraxxx)

I really couldn't give a fiddlers about your beef with the SUG, With Seroxat litigation, with Derek Scott, with Bob Fiddaman or anything else for that matter. I was prescribed Seroxat right, it affected me in terrible ways, I do what I do for myself because I want to bring awareness to this, so please, if you have an agenda , aim it at someone else, I have no beef with you, I don't know you nor have I had any contact with you. Please have some dignity and self respect and stop attacking anyone or anything to do with Seroxat which you see as your enemy.

I am well aware that other SSRI's are just as bad as Seroxat, but what would be the point in me personally writing about other SSRI's when I have not had experience with them? It is no ones fault that Seroxat got more attention than the other SSRI's, do you think that us Seroxat campaigners are all happy we were prescribed Seroxat instead of Prozac or Effexor? Do you think we are all enjoying the experience of campaigning day in and day out for change and awareness about the danger sof these drugs?!? Do you think we choose this path ot something? Seriously, think about it man..

It seems to me that you are bitter about the SUG, well I have nothing to do with the SUG, so please leave me out of your scope of resentment.

Thanks

" think we can safely assume 'Sara' is actually Bryce "

assume, but you don't know, but anyone reading this blog will make certain presumptions about you Mr Fiddaman & the way you conduct yourself in public !

"saw a few people on the plane that were confined to wheelchairs! "

no doubt then that they were genuinely disabled

"Face it Mr Bryce - you are pissed because you cannot get anyone to take your case on."

do you know this for a fact or is it another one of your silly childish unfounded presumptions?

"Now move on and find yourself a solicitor who is prepared to take your case on."

you mean one like Mark Harvey who will most likely settle with GSK and gag you ?

You see Bob you raelly don't have a clue but as a person reliant on social security benefits you will end up getting a weekly pittance from the GSK/Seroxat trust fund managed by Mark Harvey's company.

Sara XXX

"Garnier's a cunt, and no amount of blaming Naughtie for hectoring changes that."

as I said earlier "Hectoring gets you nowhere !"
Garnier simply walked out of the interview.

The trouble is Matt, Mark Harvey etc is no longer in a position to continually lever the media. The danger for these guys is that if he really had a strong case it would have been before the court ages ago.

Trial by media is one thing but Goodrelations Ltd is hardly Judge & jury as it were in these matters.

When people believe their own propaganda, it is known as a delusion. Quite apt considering the circumstances of the clients.

Sara xxx

Morse/Bryce/Sara

Were you on Seroxat? Can you explain to the readers here why you have such a beef with Seroxat related stuff, I don;t get it..Oh ..
And hows life up north? I'm not too far from you, in the fair city so I am...

Dear truthman30

@ truthman30 at May 21, 2008 07:04 AM

you said "I really couldn't give a fiddlers about your beef with the SUG, With Seroxat litigation, with Derek Scott, with Bob Fiddaman or anything else for that matter"

Sara xxx

You forgot to mention why you have sent documents about me to solicitors, MP's and mental health charity CEO's - not to mention phone calls to other 'govermental departments'.

Why would you do such a thing Morse?

What is wrong with being on benefits if you have osteoarthritis?

If you knew that I had tried to get back to work through the disability scheme but was refused would you still think I was playing the system?

And don't think I don't know what you have been posting about me over at Network 54 - 'Fiddaman the Vile Poet'

Please look up the word 'Killfile' too - It's slang for spam folder but you once took that as a threat - do you really want me to tell people why I added you to my 'killfile' Morse?

Do you often hack Google accounts and set up alerts for disgusting material for other people or did you just target me?

Maybe another restraining order is due - you obviously have some sort of obsession with anyone who speaks out against Seroxat - maybe it's a sexual fetish of yours? Who knows.

F

Dear Mr Fiddaman

As I said earlier -

" You see Bob you raelly don't have a clue but as a person reliant on social security benefits you will end up getting a weekly pittance from the GSK/Seroxat trust fund managed by Mark Harvey's company."

Perhaps you would care to prove that I am wromg.

Have you seen anything that confirms/denies that Mark Harvey's practice is to set up trust funds.?

How do you feel in the knowledge that you will NOT get a large lump sum.

No more "here we go, here we go yah booing expecting a holiday funded by GSK.

If you get a weekly pittance will that be counted as earnings and deducted from your giro.

" Do you often hack Google accounts and set up alerts for disgusting material for other people or did you just target me? "

If I were you Bob I'd contact Google. Ofcourse they would be aware that at one time or another you took Seroxat, an antidepressant. Quite whether they would take you seriously is not clear to me. Actually Bob does anyone take you seriously- have you had a reply from Kent Woods?

As I said earlier -"Hectoring gets you nowhere !"

Sara xxx

...and phoning government departments gets you nowhere either Morse!

Boo Hoo Fiddaman went to Australia. Boo Hoo Fiddaman works and gets paid for work by solicitors. Boo hoo Fiddaman is on benefits.

Really, have you nothing better to do Morse?

No reply from Woods yet but keep reading the blog - hey you may even get a mention.

Fid

That's enough!
Why is this Sara here causing all these discussions?
She has already made many people get angry on the blog.
I have seen in another post she saying nonsense and showing another time that her only aim is to cause misunderstanding but I refuse to have any discussion with this person.
Seeing truthman30 loosing his temper and having this kind of argument makes me feel sad.
His sense of humor is of great to easy things.
I second Fiddy
"maybe it's a sexual fetish of hers? Who knows."

LOL

Sara,

Prescription:

Morning:

200 mg quetiapine
4 mg clonazepam
75 mg venlafaxine
20 mg paroxetine

Afternoon

100 mg quetiapine
75 mg venlafaxine
20 mg paroxetine

Night

400 mg quetiapine
4 mg clonazepam
75 mg venlafaxine
20 mg paroxetine
20 mg olanzapine

See you in 15 days! Hope you get better if there's any problem call me.

Here you go Sara. Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame.

http://fiddaman.blogspot.com/2008/05/sara-or-morse-you-decide.html

Fid

Sara wrote:
"...When people believe their own propaganda, it is known as a delusion. Quite apt considering the circumstances of the clients."

I'm sorry: that's just a tasteless little ad hom.

There is an issue, here. It concerns the skewing of the system, which permits the Worshipful Company to withhold key SAE data, doctor stats, misinform clinicians, etc, etc. As I pointed out to Kent (that's not a misspelling), recently, the upshot is that the Worshipful Company is doing precisely the opposite of what it claims: it produces shite drugs, which it claims are wonderdrugs, but it turns out that it knew that they were never wonderdrugs, but kept a lid on that. When the side effect information starts to leak out, we're told that "no drug is without risks".

That may be legal, as perceived by the MHRA, but it that doesn't mean a great deal to me. I don't like the way that the Worshipful Company has duped patients, been found out, and been let of the hook by the Establishment. That just provides it with carte blanche to carry on doing what it's doing, and God knows where that will end.

Matt

Dear Bob -Posted by: Fiddy at May 21, 2008 04:01 PM

I note your attempt to try and move the debate away from Furious Seasons and unto fiddaman.blogspot.com where it is well known that you refuse to let certain people post comments.

As I said earlier people who believe their own propaganda eventually become deluded.

Now lets get back to the gsk/seroxat trust fund and the weekly pittance to be managed by Hugh James

I said " How do you feel in the knowledge that you will NOT get a large lump sum. "

I also said " Have you seen anything that confirms/denies that Mark Harvey's practice is to set up trust funds.? "

& I now say - did you ever warn the members of SUG/OSSG that there would be no lump sums?

I will also record here that this issue was raised on the network54 site by a person calling himself/herself " Mightman "

post url =http://www.network54.com/Forum/281849/message/1211303473/Morse%27s+comments+on+Seroxat+publicity

to which Morse replied thus -"Morses comments in regard to recent articles detailing some of the many thousand of UK claimants in the Seroxat/Paxil group action claim against GSK for damages are pathetic."

What comments in what groups & what was the context in which the comments (if any) were made ?

Remember I am the listowner of SSRI Crusaders, a moderator of Prozacawareness, a moderator of Withdrawal&Recovery & list owner of Criticalpsychiatry2

as for the "many thousand of UK claimants in the Seroxat/Paxil group action "

well that's a work of fiction for a start for many thousand in reality read a few hundred

"Hugh James Solicitors and Mark Harvey will almost certainly win the High Court Case ......."

no they won't, they will at best settle - there will be no publicity - & anyone who gets a settlement will be gagged.

Then you lot will vanish from the net. .........how pathetic is that !

"GSK themselves have used publicity many times to promote their defence and continue to lobby politicians and many in the medical profession "

as indeed has Mark Harvey / Hugh James who used Goodrelations a division of Lord Tim Bell's chime communications ...............but above all Mark Harvey has USED people like you !

"just follow the London High Court case and just watch GSK get sued as they incur more and more bad publicity as the truth comes out and the overwhelming evidence against Seroxat is revealed."

nothing will be seen in the public eye, Mark does not have a lions heart.

as for any lump sum from GSK ..............I do hope you'll be happy to learn that it is his normal practice to set up a trust fund, a little on the drip every few weeks otherwise the DHSS compensation recovery agency might be on the case.

Sara xxx

So why not try and debate at SSRI Crusaders,Prozacawareness or Withdrawal&Recovery where it would seem that Morse is made of the right stuff.

Dear Ana
Posted by: Ana at May 21, 2008 03:15 PM

There appears to be more than one Sara posting here @ Furious Seasons

Sara xxx

@ Posted by: Matthew Holford at May 22, 2008 12:11 AM

"There is an issue, here. It concerns the skewing of the system, which permits the Worshipful Company to withhold key SAE data, doctor stats, misinform clinicians, etc, etc "

Yes Matt I accept your point but the same tactic is used by SUG/OSSG & their lawyer/founder. I believe Mark Harvey calls it "dressing up his case". Unfortunately several ordinary members of SUG/OSSG were quite taken in by the hype placed in the media by Lord Tim Bell's company Goodrelations Ltd.

Several members of the group are hanging in there fully expectant of large lump sum payments to clear their personal debts. It's not going to happen, these people need their expectations managed. There is a duty of care.

You may not like the way the MHRA has duped the patients & frankly neither do I.

What make you though of the way the lawyers have duped their clients.?

What make you of the way the Lawyers have duped the MHRA via placing hyped stories in the media?

For God's sake Matt we are talking about vulnerable people exploited by professionals.

SUG is a business - Mark Harvey set it up.

Sara XXX

read their newsletter issue 1 it's even printed on Mark Harvey's (Hugh James) letter headed paper

http://www.seroxatusergroup.org.uk/Documents/newsletterissue1.pdf

Sara wrote:
"...So why not try and debate at SSRI Crusaders,Prozacawareness or Withdrawal&Recovery where it would seem that Morse is made of the right stuff."

Sorry to butt in on your piddling confrontation with, erm, everybody, but: debate what, exactly? You haven't made a single point in either this, or the other thread (which Philip closed).

As far as I can tell, you're going round and round in circles, ad homing, and criticizing the approach that people are taking, in turn. And your objective in doing this is as unclear to me now as it ever was. State your purpose (if only to yourself), and then measure your conduct against that - you'd be doing us all a favour, I think.

Matt

Philip,

I would like to some explanations about people who attack bloggers.
I think it would be of great help for people who are trying to get information have not an idea of what is going on in the backstage.
Why some attacks comes from Australian and Northern Irish people?
Who is who on Furiousseasons?
I'm a little bit confused.

Just another topic that I'm finding difficult to understand.
Why "therapy" is being made by psychiatrists in US?

:o)

I've searched the "Shrink Rap" site.
Jesus!
It has nothing to do with real therapy!

"Psychotherapy is often about finding and elucidating patterns for people. Have you noticed you always feel badly at this time of year? That you've been feeling worse since we stopped the medicine? How you talk about your boss the same way you talk about your mom? How you make assumptions about the reactions of strangers that keep you from even trying to get what you want? Maybe it resonates, maybe it doesn't, I can always try again."

"Psychotherapy is often about pointing out things that would be difficult or painful to hear in ordinary conversation. Something about the setting makes it safe to hear hard things, to learn about oneself in a way that enables the patient to effect change.
http://psychiatrist-blog.blogspot.com/2006/08/what-people-talk-about-in-therapy.html

"Clinically, the question of SSRI-induced suicidal/homicidal behavior has always been a tough one: these medications aren't prescribed to people who are trooping along Just Fine. Suicidality is a very common symptom of Depression and SSRI's are prescribed for depression; we're left wondering if the SSRI caused the suicidality, began working and lifted the patient to the point of being able to act on the thoughts, shifted the patient into a bipolar mixed state, or simply was ineffective in treating the depression and was incidental to the final act."
http://psychiatrist-blog.blogspot.com/2006/09/ssri-antidepressants-violence.html

Links of this site:

* DSM-4 Code Finder
* Depression Cost Calculator for Employers
* Psychiatric Google News
* PubMed
* Dinah's Katrina Reflections
* NYT Top 25 Emailed Articles
* Maryland Psychiatric Society
* American Psychiatric Association
* List of Mental Health Parity Laws by State

The word "therapy" is being used as a way to cover what "psychological" help is really about.

The more confused the better!

As far as "Sara" is concerned I believe we need Sara xx.

LOL

What about a Jacob?

Dear Matt @ Posted by: Matthew Holford at May 22, 2008 02:55 AM

" Sorry to butt in on your piddling confrontation with, erm, everybody, but: debate what, exactly? "

So you are not interested with points raised in the groups mentioned (url's given below)

You are not interested in reading what Derek Scott or Fiddaman etal said in these forums when they were members there long before SUG or OSSG
existed.

You just take 'em on face value, but you don't know all their faces.

Morse is the listowner of SSRI Crusaders, a moderator of Prozacawareness, a moderator of Withdrawal&Recovery & list owner of Criticalpsychiatry2.

Any or all of those groups promote, amongst other things a very strong anti SSRI/pharma agenda.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/SSRI-Crusaders/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ProzacAwareness/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Withdrawal_and_Recovery/

Sara XXX

Sara wrote:
"...For God's sake Matt we are talking about vulnerable people exploited by professionals..."

Yes, that appears to be a recurrent theme, where "experts" are deemed to hold information and knowledge of great mysticism: as long as people continue to believe that to be true, then they may be fed any old guff. However, I don't know that the Seroxat campaigners have been exploited by their lawyer(s).

I've built up an interesting fund of knowledge, with respect to the way that the Worshipful Company does business (via critical professional opinion, cross-referenced with investigative journalism, law reports, and so on), and the MHRA was disinclined to disabuse me as to any of the conclusions that I drew, the majority of which were based on its utterances. I'm particularly concerned that the MHRA chose not to elaborate on the way that it assesses drugs, but that's beside the current point.

I don't think that it does you any favours to attack people as "delusional," simply because they've accepted the word of people (if you want to regard lawyers as people, that is!), that they ought to be able to trust. We've all been stiffed, in that way - we ought to be able to trust Martin Keller, but we would be foolish if we did, I think. Put another way, Derek, Bob, Janice, et al, are far from stupid people, but there has to be a point when they accept the information that they are given without question, because it would be a very tiring (and time-consuming), exercize to validate everything that one was told via an independent source.

Let's assume that they were given duff information, and deliberately. Who does that reflect on? Them, or the people who gave knowingly the duff information? On the other hand, how do we know that the information is duff? Have you checked? I bow to your superior knowledge on this, because I have no understanding of the way in which settlements are paid across, nor what the Seroxat patients' lawyers have promised them, nor what the lawyers and others have caused to be said about the case (probably not the lawyers, because they wouldn't want to be held in contempt).

In summation, if your gripe is with the PR company and the lawyers, I think it would look better if you made that clear, rather than attacking the people who have been placed in a position where they have had to consult these professionals, in order to seek recourse. However, even if the patients have been sold a line, how does that impact on you? That is, what motivates you to warn them that they've been had by the Worshipful Company, only for the next pack of scavengers to come along, in order to finish the job?

Matt

Sara wrote:
"So you are not interested with points raised in the groups mentioned (url's given below)..."

No, not really - I would be surprised if it impacted upon me, on any level, and, as I wrote, before, it wouldn't influence my view of Derek, Bob and the rest, one iota. If you think it's pertinent to achieving the objective (which for my purposes is to ensure that what happened to me never happens to anybody else, again), then feel free to quote them.

Matt

Why do you speak of Morse in the third person 'Sara'?

If Morse is on the right track do you agree that it is okay for him to send apparent 'dirt' on me to my MP, my solicitors, the CEO of a mental health charity and more recently telephoning certain people to tell them I am working and paid by an ambulance chasing firm of solicitors?

Yeh, Morse is on the right track alright.

Fid
What motive does he have by doing this?

"I am working and paid by an ambulance chasing firm of solicitors? "

But what of the Trust fund Bob & the FACT that people on benefits will not get a lump sum.

Did you as moderator of OSSG warn the FEW members that the group actually had ?

Oh I know Janice of SUG LIED when she claimed she represented 10,000, would that be "dressing up his case" as Mark Harvey says, or just another illusion punted by Goodrelations.

Illusions/delusions but nobody including Sara Richards of Hugh James, an avid reader of this blog has tried to correct me.

Sara xxx

the CEO of a mental health charity ? oh I'm sure they talk to people claiming to be Chief Inspector Morse everyday of the week.

XXX

Personally, I don't know why any of us are entertaining "Morse-Sara-Bryce" , it's obvious he came here to stir shit and he's getting just the reaction that he wants...
I have decided not to pander to it anymore, its basically a load of bolllox..

"its basically a load of bolllox "

What - just like SUG/OSSG ?

Sara XXX

Here are some real activists groups & not businesses set up by vested interests like Mark Harvey

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/SSRI-Crusaders/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ProzacAwareness/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Withdrawal_and_Recovery/

Quite strange behaviour for someone with such a passion about mental health.

http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200708/cmselect/cmniaf/118/118we30.htm

Fid

re -Posted by: Fiddy at May 22, 2008 01:36 PM

Dear Bob - avoiding the issue raised and deflecting.

To restate -

. what of the Trust fund Bob & the FACT that people on benefits will not get a lump sum.

. Did you as moderator of OSSG warn the FEW members that the group actually had ?

Oh I know Janice of SUG LIED when she claimed she represented 10,000, would that be "dressing up his case" as Mark Harvey says, or just another illusion punted by Goodrelations.

Illusions/delusions but nobody including Sara Richards of Hugh James, an avid reader of this blog has tried to correct me.

Strange behaviour & no Goodrelations here to manage this forum & prevent free speech.

http://www.goodrelationswales.co.uk/people.html

Sara xxx

" Personally, I don't know why any of us are entertaining "Morse-Sara-Bryce" , it's obvious he came here to stir shit and he's getting just the reaction that he wants...
I have decided not to pander to it anymore, its basically a load of bolllox..

Posted by: truthman30 at May 22, 2008 12:16 PM "

I second truthman30.

Enough!

what of the Trust fund Bob & the FACT that people on benefits will not get a lump sum.

I have absolutely no idea what you are on about.

Oh I know Janice of SUG LIED when she claimed she represented 10,000

As far as I am aware, SUG has no members, at least there's no membership subscription on the site. I think you will find that SUG has received over 10,000 emails. Kinda blows your argument out of the window now huh?

Goodrelations? Again I don't know what you are talking about. Are you suggesting a firm of solicitors hire a PR firm just so they can win a case?

Why don't you drop me your email? Which one do you use these days?

ch_isp_morse@yahoo.com

or

ecyrb.m.j.j@ntlworld.com

Now I have answered your questions to the best of my ability would you now please enlighten the readers why you sent apparent dirt on me to my solicitors, my MP, Jim Thomson CEO of a Mental Health Charity and why you recently telephoned an agency to tell them I worked for an ambulance chaser?

I've asked you three times in this thread alone, if any one person is deflecting it is you.

Fid

OK

Go here first -

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/criticalpsychiatry/message/46337?unwrap=1&var=1&l=1

then read the reply here -

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/criticalpsychiatry/message/46338

Confirmation that 'Sara' is indeed Jeremey Bryce AKA Morse

Fid

@ Posted by: Fiddy at May 22, 2008 03:41 PM

Bob Fiddaman said

" As far as I am aware, SUG has no members "

Thank you Bob for confirming this.

you also said " I think you will find that SUG has received over 10,000 emails "

who said that Bob - Janice Simmons the proven liar ?

" Goodrelations? Again I don't know what you are talking about. Are you suggesting a firm of solicitors hire a PR firm just so they can win a case? "

Stop pretending you don't know about about the Goodrelations, Mark Harvey/Hugh James client relationship.

So now we know that SUG has no membership let us turn to OSSG the group you moderate.

How many members does it really have ?

Why did your moderators suddenly cull the membership list from well over 1000 to about 332?

And of the 332, how many of them are real ?

Of course Bob, OSSG represents virtually nobody -
it's another scam.

Sara xxx

Seroxatusergroup is a scam exploiting the victims of Paxil/Seroxat in a manner at least as bad as GSK/MHRA

Bob Fiddaman confirms SUG has no membership

...and the answers to my questions Jeremy?

Go check out SUG and tell me where one can subscribe. You are the one who is going around making false claims.

I'll discuss it with your further if you answer the questions I have put to you three times. I'm guessing you cannot answer them?

Fid

"...Seroxatusergroup is a scam exploiting the victims of Paxil/Seroxat in a manner at least as bad as GSK/MHRA

Bob Fiddaman confirms SUG has no membership"

Sorry to butt in, again, Sara, but seeing as how you haven't replied to my last comment...

Erm, if SUG has no membership, then who, exactly, is it exploiting? The so-called (by you), "victims of Seroxat"? Let's suppose that Janice has lied about the 10,000 emails, and has done nothing concrete for any of the senders. So, what? What have you done to improve the paucity of support offered to people impacted by the drug?

Alternatively, let's consider the possibility that the 10,000 emails are real, and that Janice has made a bunch of overblown promises to the senders, which she has been unable to follow through on. So, what? That would only mean that Janice is not an expert in expectation management. Furthermore, when the people realized that Janice could not deliver, they would, no doubt have made other arrangements, unless you're suggesting that they are so helpless and confused that they continued to believe that Janice could produce for them, when she couldn't.

I think that in order for your diatribe against SUG/OSSG to have any credence, you will have to explain how "Seroxat victims" have been disadvantaged by running with SUG/OSSG's approach. That is, even in the worst case scenario, where SUG/OSSG have been lying their heads off willfully, how exactly has that impacted negatively on anybody; or, alternatively, how have SUG/OSSG taken a benefit from continuing to dupe people (who may or may not exist, according to you), such that SUG/OSSG have been unjustly enriched, in some way, whilst the victims have been left with nothing?

You see, it seems to me that you are making some very serious allegations against these two groups (and the individuals who run them), which appear to amount to allegations of fraud. Unless you can demonstrate these things more clearly, then you are skating very near the thin ice flagged "Defamation".

You may not care about such things, but I do: you will not purport fantasy to be fact, around me, and expect me to swallow what you have to say, without question. Justify yourself, or leave the discussion.

Matt

Jesus Christ Jeremy ..

Give it up already..
Nobody is interested in your paranoid ramblings..
I suppose you think that the BBC is backed by Mark Harvey and Hugh James too? And that Panorama is really the SUG? And that Janice Simmons is really David Healy in Drag?
Come on man..
Seriously
Get a grip..

re -Posted by: truthman30 at May 23, 2008 05:11 AM

Dear truthman30

@ truthman30 at May 21, 2008 07:04 AM

you said "I really couldn't give a fiddlers about your beef with the SUG, With Seroxat litigation, with Derek Scott, with Bob Fiddaman or anything else for that matter"

Sara xxx

you really can't leave it alone can you ?

re Posted by: Matthew Holford at May 23, 2008 02:44 AM

"You see, it seems to me that you are making some very serious allegations against these two groups (and the individuals who run them), which appear to amount to allegations of fraud. Unless you can demonstrate these things more clearly, then you are skating very near the thin ice flagged "Defamation"."

Dear Matt Holford

I believe the word used was SCAM.

As I recall Dr Sarh Richards (solicitor) of Hugh Jasmes, solicitors for the litigants is a reader of this forum. No doubt if she is in anyway unhappy about claims made here then I would expect her to comment / take action.

While your reading Dr Richards, comment too please on alegations that SUG fraudulently claimed to be a charity.

Do tell us all how much money was raised?

Can we see the accounts given to the Charity Commissioners?

roll on the rollback machine & enter the world of bogus charities -

Sara xxx

TEXT from SeroxatUserGroup Newsletter issue 2 -

Now exactly how much did they lift via various ways including PayPal.?

Where are the accounts published?

Afterall SUG promised in the document created 8/04/2003, 11:32:00, by Ernest venn to publish same in future editions

"All donations will be gratefully accepted. A one-off payment of
£2.50 would make a big difference.

Accounts will be published in future editions of the
newsletter. ..."

source-

http://www.seroxatusergroup.org.uk/Documents/newsletter2.doc

Issue 2
March 2003
Seroxat Newsletter

Committee
Andrew Isaac, Maddie Leighton, Janice Simmons and Sarah Venn were
elected to the committee and will serve the Group as its first
committee.

Andrew Isaac

andrew@...

I took Seroxat for approximately four years and have now
successfully withdrawn, although I have had a protracted withdrawal.
I am 28 years old and am due to return to my medical studies soon,
after taking a break to withdraw. Thanks for voting for me!

Maddie Leighton

maddie@...

I have suffered extensively during withdrawal from Seroxat and had
episodes of hypomania, leading me to be labelled a manic-depressive,
which I have fought. I serve on many mental health user forums and
attend conferences across the country.

Janice Simmons

janice@...

I am the wife of a long term Seroxat user. I am therefore interested
in helping those of you that have partners, family etc that need
help in understanding the problems of Seroxat. I know it can affect
all members of a family not just the user.

Sarah Venn

sarah@...

I have been taking Seroxat for over five years. I am currently
trying to withdraw from Seroxat for the third time and have taken a
career break to do so. I am twenty-six years old and in June 2002 I
qualified as a barrister. Prior to qualification I worked for a
Court of Appeal judge at the Law Commission (a law reform body). I
welcome your ideas for the Group and website.

We are keen to hear from people who have ideas for the Group or
would like to help, in particular those skilled in medicine and
journalism. Please contact us through the feedback form on the
website.

Derek Scott was elected to the committee, but has decided he will
not be taking up his place. During the Group's infancy, Derek
worked hard to communicate information about Seroxat and did much
campaigning, which we would like to thank him for. The committee
will now be shouldering these burdens, but know the Group will still
seek to draw on Derek's energy.

Local support
A number of members have expressed an interest in attending local
support meetings. If you would like to attend a local support
meeting or feel you may be able to assist in organising such
meetings, please contact sarah@.... Our co-
ordinators pack contains all the information you need to start and
run a group. Groups are currently being formed in London and
Blackburn. Full information on them will be available on the
website shortly and included in the next newsletter.

Developments

Government News

The Group's first achievement is an intense review of Seroxat by the
government, which follows the MP letter campaign. The review was
prompted by a well supported Motion in the House of Commons (thanks
to your letters) calling on the Department of Health to look into
the labelling and availability of Seroxat. The committee is in
communication with the MCA, CSM and Professor Mackay, who is leading
the Review, and will be meeting with them shortly.

BBC Panorama is planning to broadcast a follow up to the `Secrets of
Seroxat' documentary in May. Many of you who contacted the
programme will have been asked by the producer to fill in a special
version of the Yellow Card designed for Panorama by MIND. The
Yellow Card system is used by GPs to report drug safety issues to
the Medicine's Control Agency. If your GP has not already filled in
a Yellow Card about Seroxat, please ask them to do so.

Updates

Answers by Dr David Healy to your most frequently asked questions
are available on the website now.

Our media campaign continues, with members of the Group featuring in
Now Magazine, Take a Break and Central News, which you can view on
the website.

Now that the committee is up and running, we will be in touch with
you regularly.

Helping Us, Helping You

Funding

We are a self-funding, non-profit Group and hope that if you are
able, you will make a donation towards funding our operational costs
(telephone calls, postage, stationary, website, event room hire –
for further group meetings). The committee members have already
made substantial financial contributions to the Group and it is
vital that we receive donations to enable us to continue working.

We currently accept donations through the website and will provide
bank account details in the near future for those of you wishing to
donate by cash or cheque. To donate online securely with your
credit/debit card using PayPal, visit the contacts page of the
website.

All donations will be gratefully accepted. A one-off payment of
£2.50 would make a big difference.

Accounts will be published in future editions of the newsletter.

Could this help you?

Following a suggestion by Dr Healy, some members of the Group tried
consuming greater quantities of high sugar content drinks and found
that this eased their withdrawal. If you decide to try this out, the
Group and Dr Healy would like to know how you get on. Please let us
know which drink you try (eg, fruit juice, coke) and any changes you
experience by completing a feedback form on the website. It is
important that you discuss this with a doctor first if you are
diabetic, sensitive to sugar or have special dietary needs.

Group Website
http://www.seroxatusergroup.org.uk

Please take a moment to visit the Group's website. It is the only
site we endorse and where we publish information. The website is
updated daily, so please visit us regularly.
Includes:
· Pack to take with you to your doctor,
· Discussion forum,
· Latest withdrawal plan written by Dr David Healy,
· Guidance on withdrawing using Seroxat liquid,
· News – new developments and awareness issues,
· Medical articles,
· Newsletters,
· Advice and support contacts.

Suggestions for the website are welcomed and should be directed to
the webmaster: sarah@....

Raising Awareness
Attached to this newsletter you will find a poster promoting the
Group and its objectives. Please ask your doctor/medical
centre/employer to display the poster. Please do not put this
poster up without permission.

Correspondence
Future correspondence will be by email to save time and costs.
Please register your email address with us through the Group
website – http://www.seroxatusergroup.org.uk/contact_us.htm. If you
do not have an email address, your local library will probably have
internet access and be able to assist you in setting up a free email
account. Alternatively, a friend or member of the family may be
able to receive information for you. The only personal information
you will need to supply is an email address and you can unsubscribe
at anytime. Your details will not be sold, published or otherwise
disclosed and you will not be `spammed'.

As the Group now exceeds over 4,000 members, we regret we are not
able to enter into postal communications. We will make every effort
to contact those of you who leave telephone numbers through the
website and would like us to get in touch.

Up-to-date information (including all issues of the newsletter) and
support will always be available from the Group website,
http://www.seroxatusergroup.org.uk and can be accessed without an
email account.

Hugh James solicitors will continue to correspond with their clients
individually about litigation.

It is in the interests of the Group that communication with the
media, Seroxat experts and related organisations is channelled
through the committee. Please forward your views to a member of the
committee and help us maintain a uniform and professional approach.

SEROXAT
U S E R S G R O U P

http://www.seroxatusergroup.org.uk

Users run support group for patients and former patients of Seroxat
(Paroxetine) and their families and friends.

Helping patients to safely withdrawal from Seroxat, sharing
information and experiences and offering support.

Working towards:
· Improving the patient information sheet and information
provided to doctors.
· Provision of medical facilities to withdraw Seroxat from
users safely.
· Provision for the individual funding of safe Seroxat
withdrawal.
· Provision for medical research concerning any long terms
effects of Seroxat.

Please do not fly-post: ask for permission to display this poster.

Sara XXX

Dear Dr Sarah Richards
sarah.richards@hughjames.com

Here we have web page from Maverick Marketing Solutions Ltd

http://www.mms-ltd.co.uk/testimonials.htm

Please scroll to the bottom & note Janice Simmons reports herself to be Director
Seroxat User Group Charity.

I'll keep a copy just in case someone tries to pull it off.

http://www.mms-ltd.co.uk/testimonials.htm

Sara XXX

Sara, I am new to this discussion and would be interested to learn exactly what you want others to understand about the SUG. Please, you are making some serious allegations in a way in which the readers are left "assuming" you mean this or that. Further you are making others try and defend something that I'm not (maybe its just me?)anyone is clear as to what they are really trying to defend. Maybe you and the "defenders" know exactly what it going on, but the rest of us left scatching our heads. If there is something here you want all of us to know, please come out with it already. If you are saying the SUG is running a scam, everyone invovled with paxil has a right to know what information you have and where you have obtained said information.

Group press release prepared by lawyer Sarah Venn dated 08/09/2003, 16:49:00,
location -

http://web.archive.org/web/20040803014254/www.seroxatusergroup.org.uk/what's_new.htm

click on link -
*** Users voice heard and suffering remembered ***

So do tell us exactly how much was raised by the sale of Silver Ribbons?

Sara XXX

click on link -
*** Users voice heard and suffering remembered ***

Representatives from the 6,000-strong Seroxat Users Group are meeting with the Committee on Safety of Medicines SSRI Expert Working Group on 10 September 2003.
Sarah Venn, spokesperson, for the Group said: “We will be sharing with the Expert Group the experiences of our members and discussing our concerns about the safety of Seroxat and how patients may be better supported.”
The Expert Group has already advised that Seroxat should not be prescribed to adolescents for severe depression because of the resulting risk of self-harm and suicide. The Users Group is concerned that this advice does not extend to the prescription of Seroxat to adults. Sarah Venn said: “The risk of self-harm and suicide extends into adulthood and the experiences of our members indicate that there is no watershed after which the risk significantly decreases. We will be urging the Expert Group to withdraw Seroxat as a first-line treatment and to restrict prescription of it to specialists with the resources to safely monitor patients whilst taking and withdrawing from Seroxat.”
As a sign of remembrance of those that have lost their lives and suffered as a result of taking Seroxat, and to show continued support for those still suffering, bereft families and friends, representatives from the Group will be wearing silver ribbons.
Sarah Venn said: “We hope the public will join us and show their support for those that have suffered from taking Seroxat and that the awareness our campaign raises will help prevent future deaths and suffering.”
Continued...
Page 2 of 2 / ...
Silver ribbons are available from the Users Group http://www.seroxatusergroup.org.uk and will be purchasable from many local businesses.
Representatives from the Group will be available before and after the meeting for interviews. Whilst the meeting is taking place, committed Seroxat campaigners will be joined by suffers outside the MHRA to distribute information on Seroxat and ribbons.
- end -

Notes for Editors:
Objectives of the Seroxat Users Group
Amendments, with more detail, to the patient information sheet and information to doctors in relation particularly but not exclusively to withdrawal
To notify individuals who take Seroxat and who desire to withdraw from the drug about the means and methods to do so
Provision for the accumulation and analysis of relevant medical facilities who can withdraw Seroxat from users safely
Provision for the individual funding of safe Seroxat withdrawal
Provision for medical research concerning any long terms effects of Seroxat
Compensation, where appropriate, for individuals who have suffered with the drug

For further information please contact:
andrew@seroxatusergroup.org.uk
sarah@seroxatusergroup.org.uk t 07782 162 590

I think this is an example of someone who has clearly lost the plot.

If the foundations were true 'Sara' would have taken action to bring those who had committed an offence to justice.

Obviously, Sara has no evidence other than obsession and a clear hate campaign against anyone connected with the Seroxat litigation.

Something very odd about a man who posts as a woman - of course we all know why don't we... they are frightened of defamation. If these allegations were true then 'Sara' would tell us who 'she' really was - alas, 'she' has no evidence other than what is in 'her' head.

I find the whole thing quite laughable really - though one shouldn't mock the afflicted.

I lay the gauntlet down to 'Sara' to go public with this rather than post in a comments section on an American website - also when 'she' does go public, I ask 'her' to come forward and let everyone know who 'she' really is.

I doubt that will happen as:

1. 'She' does not have the bottle

2. 'Her' claims are based purely on what is in 'her' head

It's a pity that such a campaigner, who seems to be on the same page as those who are speaking out against Seroxat, has such a fixation on individuals. Maybe a good, long hard look in the mirror will show 'Sara' jealousy is an irrational thought process and one that will make 'her' bitter and twisted until 'she' seeks some form of counselling.

Fid

Lawyer Mark Harvey claims to have orchastrated campaign to change Seroxat Patient Information Leaflet (P.I.L)

source http://web.archive.org/web/20040803142947/www.seroxatusergroup.org.uk/litigation.htm

People who have been harmed by Seroxat have a RIGHT to know that if they are so-warned about "withdrawal" in the amended P.I.L. then they will no longer be able to take legal action against GSK.

What I'd like to know is w.t.f. a lawyer thinks he's doing REDUCING the potential number of claims against GSK!!

Why also is he saying -

"Because of the sheer volume of people still joining the Group Action I am unable to communicate with everyone as frequently as I would like"

when in reality the number of cases brought against GSK is only a few hundred.

Sara XXX

Litigation

Mark Harvey of Hugh James solicitors is co-ordinating possible litigation on behalf of UK users. For more information, please visit http://web.archive.org/web/20040803142947/http://www.hughjames.com/dsp_home.cfm or email seroxat@hughjames.com.

Message from Mark Harvey, Hugh James Solicitors

Because of the sheer volume of people still joining the Group Action I am unable to communicate with everyone as frequently as I would like to.
However as an update, you should know that during the year the Users Group and I have orchestrated the campaign against the drug and we have
obtained the following victories:-
a) The institution of a Government review into Seroxat; (this has already worked one triumph, a press and public announcement of the
dangers of the drug with suicide and the ban of its prescription to minors)
b) The acceptance of the Review team that it will accept the actual evidence of experiences of my clients on Seroxat without needing doctor
involvement (the mechanics of this are still being addressed)
c) For the first time in the 13 years of this drug, the manufacturers have agreed to change the Patient warning sheets to deal with the
question of addiction.

With a combination of the preliminary form of self-administered public funding, legal expense insurance and private funding we are progressing
the generic investigations and preparing for the appeal on the initial decision to refuse public funding. The granting of the full public
funding on appeal will enable us to move forward to the issue of proceedings if necessary. At present the Legal Services Commission tell
us the appeal will be September or October however I am challenging them to bring it forward.

I will endeavour to keep you informed both through the web site and wherever possible in individual communications.

Best wishes
Mark Harvey
Hugh James, Solicitors

Message 18274 @ the Online Seroxat Support Group

Notice that according to Derek Scott the poster, group members must only speak to the media with prior approval of the Hugh James public relations dept.

Quite why Derek Scott copied this message to UK member of parliament Paul Flynn remains to be seen.

Since Derek copied Fiddaman into the loop perhaps he would care to enlighten us?

Note also that Jonathon Bray a paralegal at Hugh James is clearly a member of Scotts group.

Sara XXX

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From: "Mr Derek D Scott"
Date: Thu Jun 3, 2004 10:23 pm
Subject: FW:

-----Original Message-----
From: Mr Derek D Scott [mailto:ds010a5436@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: 03 June 2004 22:16
To: 'Jonathon Bray'
Cc: veracare; janice simmons; fiddaman64; ELLSANGEL@aol.com; seroxat@yahoogroups.com; paulflynnmp@talk21.com
Subject: RE:

Hi Jonathan, sorry for the delay getting back to you, yes I was made aware yesterday that there would likely be media frenzy over the lawsuit in NY Vs GSK & Paxil and had already written a letter to Mr Iain Luke MP for Dundee East regarding the matter prior to the Guardian newspaper etc., getting wind of it today of which he will receive by Royal Mail First Class Recorded delivery tomorrow. We do have several adolescents within the group under the age of 18, including parents of children affected by the dangerous antidepressant Seroxat. I will inform the group of your wish for anyone involved to partake in speaking to the media regarding the matter through Hugh James PR. Would you be interested in sufferers outside our group as I have several contacts within the United States.

Derek.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathon Bray [mailto:jonathon.bray@hughjames.com]
Sent: 03 June 2004 15:43
To: Mr Derek D Scott
Subject:

Derek

I’m sure you are aware that the press has really got hold of this story about the lawsuit in NY. Do you know of any people in your group who were under 18 when they were prescribed Seroxat (or parents) who might be willing to speak to the media today? We can provide the usual PR support.

Thanks

Jon.

HUGH JAMES

Jonathon Bray
Paralegal
Hugh James Solicitors
Hodge House
114-116 St Mary Street
Cardiff
CF10 1DY

www.hughjames.com

@ Posted by: Fiddy at May 23, 2008 10:10 AM

Fiddaman said

"will make 'her' bitter and twisted until 'she' seeks some form of counselling."

It is the case is it not Mr Fiddaman that you claim on the net that you have qualifications in counselling?

I find it rather odd that you use stereotypical discriminatory language directed towards someone you say is "an example of someone who has clearly lost the plot."

someone " 'Her' claims are based purely on what is in 'her' head "

Actually Bob, I'll stick to points that have clear current URL's on the net and/or where you lot have tried to cover your tracks I'll use the "wayback machine" internet archive.

Sara xxx

BTW Bob - did you manage to get a job in the Counselling field

http://counsellingresource.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2511&sid=51b3806a675458d78a04365f2e51431f

Robert Fiddaman MOC and MSFTR

terms of use © Copyright Hugh James Solicitors 2002.

original url -

http://www.hughjames.com/dsp_callback.cfm

url via internet archive

http://web.archive.org/web/20021121121915/http://www.hughjames.com/dsp_callback.cfm

Dear Bob Fiddaman

Perhaps you could explain why the terms of use / aims of the group are copyright Hugh James ?

Sara XXX

*******

Background

Seroxat is a second generation drug of the SSRI’s (Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitor). First generation was Prozac which it now outsells.

SSRI’s work by inhibiting serotonin re-uptake transporters thereby increasing serotonin levels in the brain. Serotonin is a chemical which affects the mood. By boosting that chemical the patient should feel better.

Manufactured by Glaxo Smith Kline (“GSK”) it was first licensed in the UK on 11th December 1990 and was re-licensed on the 9th January 1998.

Seroxat’s original licence was simply to treat episodes of mild to moderate depression. It is now licensed for the short term treatment of symptoms of depressive illness of types including:-

· Depression accompanied by anxiety.

· Treatment of symptoms and prevention of relapse of obsessive compulsive disorder.

· Treatment of symptoms and prevention of relapse of panic disorder with or without agoraphobia.

It is said to be useful for people who find social situations bring on these symptoms.

Two major concerns have been expressed by the people who have contacted us:

1. That Seroxat during treatment can cause psychiatric problems that previously were not there and in some cases this had led to violent behaviour towards others and suicide.

2. That the drug causes dependency (despite claims to the contrary) the withdrawal from which has caused the occurrence of new symptoms and an exacerbation of previous symptoms.

Seroxat was said by Smith Kline Beecham to be non-addictive (see patient information sheet). However patients world wide have described serious and long term side effects that make it very difficult to come off the drug after using it for as little as two days. Other complaints include the development of aggressive tendencies.

Concern over the drug has gained momentum since June 2001 when a jury in the US ordered GSK, in what has become known as the Schell case, to pay substantial damages of $6.4million (£4.6 million) to the family of a man who killed his wife, children and then himself after he had been taking Paxil (the US trading name of Seroxat) for just two days.

A World Health Organisation league table of the drugs that have difficulties on withdrawal puts Paroxetine (Seroxat) at the top spot with twice as many reports as the next highest, another SSRI called Efexor. The benzodiazepines Ativan and Valium come 11th and 13th.

The World Health Organisation has said there is “a need for repeated doses of the drug to feel good or avoiding feeling bad”.

Drug company’s response.

That suicide was a recognised occurrence in people suffering from these depressive illnesses.

The symptoms suffered on cessation of the medication was simply a reoccurrence of the original problems which indicate they should resume taking it

GSK have said “you cannot become addicted to Seroxat. These tablets are not addictive”. As for withdrawal symptoms they say “they are not common and they are not a sign of addiction”.

In the US it has been marketed as “talk to your Doctor about non-habit forming Paxil today”.

Recent developments

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in the United States published a new public warning about the drug in December 2001. In the same week the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Associations declared GSK guilty of misleading the public about Paroxetine on US television during the year 2000.

In the early part of 2003 the government announced a full review of drugs within the SSRI category but with particular emphasis on Seroxat.

Shortly after the institution of the review, the MHRA announced a ban on the prescription of Seroxat to under 18s because of the significant risk of suicide which had been elicited from GSK’s own data.

In April 2003 for the first time GSK agreed to remove from the Patient Information Leaflet the references to the drug not being addictive.

In June 2003 GSK have confirmed that there is a withdrawal reaction in 25% of patients (this contrasts with earlier leaflets that demonstrated a 7% reaction)

Aims of the Group

Amendment with more detail of the patient information sheet and information to doctors in relation particularly but not exclusively to withdrawal.

To notify individuals who take Seroxat and who desire to withdraw from the drug about the means and methods to do so.

Provision for the accumulation and analysis of relevant medical facilities who can withdraw Seroxat from users safely.

Provision for the individual funding of safe Seroxat withdrawal.

Provision for medical research concerning any long terms effects of Seroxat.

Compensation, where appropriate, for individuals who have suffered with the drug.

Disclaimer

This written material is provided for information purposes only and is not intended to constitute advice of any sort. Any use you make of it is at your own risk. We recommend you seek legal advice in all specific situations. All implied warranties and conditions are excluded to the maximum extent permitted by law. © Copyright Hugh James Solicitors 2002.

Jane,
It's not just you.
I'm not understanding anything.
I believe she is trying to demonstrate how corrupt SUG is:

"All donations will be gratefully accepted. A one-off payment of
£2.50 would make a big difference.

Accounts will be published in future editions of the newsletter."

What a SHOCK! LOL

I can see that the group was already online on 2003.
How unlucky I was!
If I only had discover SUG on 2003!
I would have made the withdrawal from Seroxat and would never had taken Effexor.

My life would be very totally different.

Sara wrote:
"I believe the word used was SCAM..."

By whom, and in relation to what?

Anyway, what you appear to be saying is that SUG (and possibly OSSG, too?), have been misrepresenting their status, for the express purpose of having Seroxat patients donate cash, thus unjustly enriching themselves? The question being, of course, whether or not these groups (and the individuals within them), have been enriched by this "SCAM" (and also when and where they expressed this purpose). Have you any evidence as to how the money has been spent, and by whom? For example, has money been spent by the group on the retention of lawyers for the purpose of research and preparing a case against GSK? Such expenditure, it strikes me, is for the wider benefit of Seroxat patients. On the other hand, do you have any evidence that donated funds have been subject to personal expenditure, completely unrelated to the business of helping Seroxat patients, in one way, or another.

Proving fraud is not as straight forward as it would appear, initially. You see, a great deal of emphasis is placed upon the mens rea (the mental element) of the crime, too. That is, there has to be an intention to unjustly enrich, by deception. If you are able to demonstrate that, without documentary evidence, then please let the SFO know, because it was set up quite expressly because of the complex technical issues involved.

However, let's assume, for the sake of argument, that SUG/OSSG and the people who operate those organizations, have deceived vulnerable people, for the purpose of lining their own pockets. How has this impacted upon you, to your detriment?

Matt

PS I didn't read the materials you sourced, as I wasn't sure what they were supposed to illustrate.

Sara wrote:
"...Perhaps you could explain why the terms of use / aims of the group are copyright Hugh James ?.."

Because it drafted them, pursuant to a request by the Group, which it had retained as a client?

Matt

@ Posted by: Matthew Holford at May 23, 2008 12:59 PM

"PS I didn't read the materials you sourced, as I wasn't sure what they were supposed to illustrate."

but still you attempt to come to a conclusion !!

Sara XXX

@ Posted by: Matthew Holford at May 23, 2008 01:04 PM

"Because it drafted them, pursuant to a request by the Group, which it had retained as a client?"

pity you DON'T read all the documents otherwise Matt you would understand that the lawyer set up the group to trawl for clients.

Besides Matt, the lawyer has applied for & received (so he claims) public funds (legal aid) from the Legal Services Commission - so why then look for donations from the members.

Sara xxx

BTW - where are the accounts - don't hold your breath

Jeremy ..

I'll tell you what I think, shall I?
Yes, you are correct when you keep repeating that "I really couldn't give a fiddlers about your beef with the SUG, With Seroxat litigation, with Derek Scott, with Bob Fiddaman or anything else for that matter"
This is true, I couldn't give a fiddlers about all that..
But, what I do think is that you are pissing in the wind here..
If Hugh James was part of the original set up of the SUG .. SO WHAT!
Seriously, who cares!
What's your point?
And also you keep bringing up the SUG and "good relations" marketing company, again .. SO WHAT?
Most mental health groups , organizations etc use marketing companies to advertise and inform.. BIG FRIGGIN DEAL ..
The SUG is linked to Hugh James..
SO FRIGGIN WHAT .. WHO CARES..
What has that go to do with ANYTHING?
Bob fiddaman went to Australia...
SO WHAT.. BIG DEAL..
Derek Scott wrote some Emails years ago..
WHO CARES!

The Hugh James litigation was whittled down from thousands of people to a few hundred!
That actually happened because a lot of cases were dropped because of one reason or another.. Thats no ones fault , thats the way law works..

The Seroxat users group has no members, the Seroxat users group has a billion members the seroxat users group is a bunch of aliens from Uranus!!!
WHO CARES!

Sara wrote:
"...but still you attempt to come to a conclusion !!"

Huh? On the contrary, I was trying to prompt you to do that! There are no conclusions that I can draw from the information that you have put forward, thus far: everything appears to be vague allegation, supported by hyperbole.

So, SUG is some kind of lightning rod for "Seroxat victims," which was set up by a lawyers firm, in order to drum up some business? In other words, it's already served its purpose, because the statute of limitations in tort (6 years) has already been and gone, such that no further claims may be registered. In which case, SUG will be quietly closed, shortly? Except that SUG has been named by the MHRA to contribute to the consultation process, pursuant to the amendment of the Clinical Trial Regs. I think you should warn the MHRA that it, too, is being duped by a shell organization.

Anyway, I have no idea why lawyers would need to appeal for donations to fund the case he was pursuing on behalf of his clients, particularly as it was able to claim from the Legal Aid Board for work carried out. Perhaps SUG has "legitimate" objectives, aside from securing new clients (funny that: barristers used to regard solicitors as a necessary evil, because it was the solicitors who brought the clients to them (barristers may not meet a client, without his/her solicitor being present, you see) Indeed, until recently, solicitors were not permitted to advocate, even in the lower courts)? I dunno - lobbying MPs, meeting with the MHRA, that kind of thing?

Matt

@ Posted by: truthman30 at May 23, 2008 02:07 PM

" WHO CARES! "

well obviously not you,(halftruthman15) but you'd be surprised who does & what they are prepared to do about it.

Sara xxx

I believe we need Elle Woods to advocate here!

Sara,
Could you please give us more mens rea
To beat the post which had more comments we need approximately 45 comments.
Please let's beat this record!
For the moment it is still quid est demonstrandum.
More data please because of habeas corpus and it will not be possible to reach parturlunt montes nascetur ridiculus mus.
Thank you!

I assume that David Healy became rich!
Or are you going to say that you've used his method, sold it for this huge amount of money and and he didn't receive nothing?
I'll write him an e-mail.

I'll let everybody know what was his answer.

You see Sara?

That's the way Elle Woods works!
You are not a good lawyer.
Surely you were not at Harvard!
Where did you get your degree?

Wow!
A threat!
Come on Sara!
Will you let us waiting till tomorrow?
We're in this for a long time.
Is it GSK?
No!
It must be David Healy!

I knew you didn't pay him!
Shame on you!

Now I'll go shopping.

Ana XXXXXXX

We are almost there PHILIP.

We'll beat the other post.

120 comments!!!!

Bryce wrote:

"well obviously not you,(halftruthman15) but you'd be surprised who does & what they are prepared to do about it."

Oooooh scary stuff! Does this mean 'Sara' is actually going to use 'her' real name and make an official complaint?

Boo Hoo Fiddaman went to Australia.

Boo Hoo Fiddaman works for ambulance chasers

Boo Hoo Fiddaman writes poetry about tampons

Boo Hoo SUGS

Boo Hoo Derek

Boo Hoo Litigation

Boo Hoo Media relations

Boo Hoo give me a platform to make a complete dick of myself

Boo Hoo I'm from Norn Ireland

I'm quite liking the delusional rants of Bryce. Hope Phil allows him to continue posting.

Fid

Sara wrote:
"well obviously not you,(halftruthman15) but you'd be surprised who does & what they are prepared to do about it."

Nothing surprises me, anymore. However, there is nothing to do anything about, at least nothing that you've identified, on this thread.

You've written that SUG (or the people who run it), has defrauded (or embezzled? I'm unclear), funds from Seroxat patients. However, the only evidence that you have put forward to support this is the "fact" that no accounts have been filed with the Charities Commission. But if SUG isn't a charity, that's not a surprise.

You have stated that SUG claimed to be charity, which I think(?) was a central plank of your misrep argument, but I haven't seen anything to back up that statement - where did SUG make this claim? And, for that matter, where are the Seroxat patients, complaining of the conduct of SUG? Are you one of them?

Seriously, Sara: from what I've read, thus far, you've taken a bunch of stuff that you don't like the look of, and built a story around it. Why you've chosen to do that, I have no idea. Did you not like what you saw, and decided SUG/OSSG were bad eggs, or did you dislike those groups, and the people who run them, and then decide that you would dig some dirt, in order to validate your gut feeling?

Either way, you really need to be a lot more careful about the way that you construct your arguments. Given the way that you have evaded most of the questions that I have put to you, during the course of this thread, I wouldn't be surprised to find that you have engaged tunnel vision, and ignored any information that might distract from your objective, which appears only to be to "get" SUG/OSSG. As such, you have concocted a distinctly one-sided argument, which is relatively easy to dismantle.

Incidentally, if you're Bryce, I understand that you steamed my Downing Street petition? That really wasn't very fucking wise. You may know people who are prepared to do stuff to right whatever wrongs that you perceive have been done, or you may not. I think that's irrelevant, as it happens. Just be sure that you don't cross me. OK?

Matt

Bryce wrote:

"Actually Bob, I'll stick to points that have clear current URL's on the net and/or where you lot have tried to cover your tracks I'll use the "wayback machine" internet archive."

GREAT - Can't wait to see what dirt you find on me this time. Hey, I went to the Isle of Wight when I was on Seroxat - There's some headlines for ya!

Bryce also wrote:

"BTW Bob - did you manage to get a job in the Counselling field"

No Jeremey. I do however have a diploma, hence the use of the initials after my name. The whole course was funded by... Oh I'm sure you can find some firm of solicitors and media company to link in with this!

You don't answer Matt's questions... because you can't.

And you STILL have not explained your motives for sending apparent dirt on me to my MP, my solicitors, Jim Thomson (Mental Health CEO) and making numerous phone calls - demanding that something be done about me working for 'ambulance chasers'. By all accounts you were crying!

I must admit, I haven't had this much fun since I took my previous employers to a tribunal... then you already know that. Try the Wayback Machine.

Oh by the way - Is the restriction order still standing?

Fid

@ Posted by: Ana at May 23, 2008 03:38 PM

said "I assume that David Healy became rich!"

Funny you should mention that Ana but I'm given to understand that Healy is getting £500 a time for reading the clients medical notes.

So if Janice Simmons is telling the truth about the group representing 10,000 persons £500 x 10,000 = £5 million,

I don't know if you call that getting rich, but what is rich is that the lawyers have received funding from UK taxpayers i.e the Legal Services Commission.

So why are the clients having to fork out £££££££'s to Healy.?

No doubt Fiddaman will explain all ??

Won't you Bob

Sara xxx

& BTW if the clients can't afford the £500 to Healy all in one go they can pay it off in installments. How nice.

That is until they loose the case, which they might, will they get their money back?

Will they be liable for GSK's costs?

Let us all hope they don't loose, but it is a concern all the same.

(if the clients didn't go for Healy they could opt for Dr Ben Green @ a slightly cheaper £350)

Posted by: Ana at May 23, 2008 03:48 PM

"Will you let us waiting till tomorrow?"

A sensible girl needs her beauty rest if she doesn't want to end up looking all wrinkled like a prune.

Sara xxx

MARK HARVEY - (he) acknowledges that a lot of people benefit from Seroxat.

Sara XXX

with friends like Harvey, who needs enimies !!

source- Guardian Sunday April 28 2002

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2002/apr/28/mentalhealth

Harvey is not the sort of hot-headed litigator we may be familiar with from the movies; he does not distrust Big Medicine per se. He acknowledges that a lot of people benefit from Seroxat, and he has a moderate suggestion that falls well short of any grandiose attempt to have the drug withdrawn. 'If [GSK] were sensible, they would sit down and go, "We don't accept any legal liability but we recognise that we could improve the information that we give to the patient and the doctor."'

re -
Dr Ben Green, MRCPsych, ILTM
Consultant Psychiatrist,

Sara xxx

http://www.priory.com/psych/panes.htm

Persistent adverse neurological effects following SSRI discontinuation (PANES).

Dr Ben Green, MRCPsych, ILTM
Consultant Psychiatrist,
Halton Hospital,
UK and Hon. Senior Lecturer,
University of Liverpool,
UK

These prolonged reactions were first described here in Spring 2000. No other reports are known of, although this condition may well be more widespread than is presently recognised. Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) discontinuation syndrome has been described in the literature as a cluster of symptoms and signs that occur after SSRIs such as paroxetine, sertraline and fluoxetine have been discontinued Abrupt withdrawal of antidepressant therapy for 5-8 days is associated with symptoms such as dizziness, ataxia, paraesthesiae, gastrointestinal and flu-like symptoms, and other sensory and sleep disturbances. Psychiatric symptoms include anxiety, agitation, lability of mood, hypersexuality, crying spells, behaviour change and irritability. The SSRI discontinuation syndrome appears to be most marked with paroxetine and to a lesser degree sertraline, with few symptoms seen with fluoxetine (Rosenbaum et al, 1998). The frequency and severity of these symptoms appear to vary according to the half-life of the SSRI (Schatzberg et al, 1997). Schatzberg et al comment that most discontinuation symptoms rare 'short-lived', but that some effects may be longer lasting. Traditional explanations the pharmacology of SSRIs discuss the effects on the postsynaptic serotonin receptor, but the SSRIs work at a variety of locations and their effects reverberate through the nervous and endocrine systems, so that in animal models there may be altered neuroendocrine function for weeks after ceasing fluoxetine. Even 60 days after discontinuation of fluoxetine, the oxytocin response in animals was still significantly reduced by 26% compared with controls.

Transient dystonias and dyskinesias of the jaw have presviously been described with SSRIs (Fitzgerald & Healy, 1995). This report considers four patients on SSRIs who all suffered prolonged neurological symptoms for months after discontinuing their medication.

Mrs A. a 29 year old married lady with a moderate depressive disorder was switched to paroxetine by her general practitioner after an initial prescription of dothiepin. She had found the tricyclic dothiepin too sedating and after a week or so of this medication requested a change. After two weeks on paroxetine 20 mg daily she was reviewed by a consultant psychiatrist who increased the dose to 40 mg daily. The patient suffered a dystonic reaction to the paroxetine that required physician review and admission, but apparently responded well to procyclidine. The paroxetine was discontinued. Unfortunately the dystonic reaction persisted off all medication and required further medical admission and the re-prescription of procyclidine. The depression continued unabated and a tricyclic was started with some improvement in mood. Seven months after the paroxetine had been stopped the tardive dystonia was noted to be present and to vary with anxiety levels, body posture, alertness, and emotional state. A 35-year-old man (Mr B) was prescribed paroxetine 30 mg daily for depression. The depression resolved and the paroxetine was continued at the same dose for two years. The medication was discontinued in a staged way, with reductions to 20, then 10 mg, managed over six weeks or so. Symptoms of withdrawal occurred throughout this period and comprised vivid nightmares, lability of mood, irritability, hypersexuality, episodic lightheadedness, episodic electric-shock like sensations, glove paraesthesiae, and ataxia. These symptoms ended two weeks after the withdrawal regime was finished. Nevertheless the patient continued to describe problems of an episodic nature well after the paroxetine had been discontinued. These episodes lasting hours to days at a time and comprised paraesthesiae, dizziness, mild ataxia, and slurred speech. These episodes have occurred intermittently throughout twelve months of follow-up during which time the patient has been drug-free. There are no focal neurological signs or any features suggestive of progressive neurological disease, nor was there a family history of neurological disease.

Mrs C., a 29-year-old mother of one, became ill with depression when her son was aged eight months. She was suicidal and required hospital admission where she was started on fluoxetine 20 mg daily. The antidepressant worked well and her mood was restored within four weeks of admission. She was discharged home, but commented that her sleep was occasionally disturbed by bad dreams and she was aware of twitching in the bed. She was kept on the fluoxetine for a further twelve months and at outpatient reviews mentioned that her sleep was still occasionally disturbed by nocturnal twitching. She said that her husband had started to sleep separately, because he was 'tired of being kicked' in the middle of the night. The fluoxetine was discontinued eighteen months after the admission. Mrs C described no worsening of her mood and was euthymic and outpatient review. However, she was distressed to report that her nocturnal twitching, which took the form of sudden myoclonic jerks of her limbs, had actually worsened off fluoxetine. During the day these abnormal involuntary movements were less marked and more easily disguised, but nonetheless problematic for the patient. At follow-up eight months after discontinuation the untoward myoclonic jerks were continuing. There are no focal neurological signs or any features suggestive of progressive neurological disease, nor was there a family history of neurological disease.

Mrs D., a 49 year old health professional was prescribed 20 mg paroxetine daily in April 2000 for a depressive disorder. This relieved the depression, but aftr three months the patient started to develop paresthesiae in the right hand, and some weeks later experienced her fingers being 'fumbly'. She visited her GP and complained that although her mood was satisfactory there were unpleasant side effects. He asked her to reduce the dose to 10 mg daily. Mrs D began to experience painful, restless legs at night and vivid dreams. The tingling in her hand spread into her body and head. After a week of the 10 mg dose the patient discontinued the paroxetine altogether in the belief that the paroxetine would be out of her system in a few days and her symptoms would subside. The symptoms however persisted. She took a week off work, but the following symptoms persisted for the next three months:

paraesthesiae in hands and feet spreading up arms and legs intermittently
stiffness in calf muscles
unsteadiness on her feet with wide gait
clumsy fingers
loose bowels
disinhibited mood
These symptoms appeared worst at the end of the day, following heavy physical work,and with even small amounts of alcohol. By December, four months after discontinuing the paroxetine most of the symptoms had reduced in severity to near normal.

Mrs E., a 48 year old woman was prescribed citalopram by her GP for eleven months. The indication for the prescription was chronic anxiety. For fifteen months folowing the discontinuation of this therapy she suffered headaches and dizziness. She also complained of a fluttering sensation across her scalp. To date there has been little improvement.

Discussion
These five patients all demonstrated neurological side effects or withdrawal effects that occurred either during SSRI therapy or in the discontinuation phase associated with an SSRI. However, these neurological effects persisted for months after discontinuation and in most cases persist up until the time of writing. Whether the association with treatment or discontinuation is causal could be debated, but the chronological association seems good and three of the five patients (Mr B, Mrs C and Mrs D) were psychotropic drug-naïve at the start of the SSRI therapy and wholly drug free following this. The three SSRIs prescribed and mentioned above (fluoxetine, paroxetine and citalopram) differ in terms of structural and pharmacokinetic properties, but share a relatively selective ability to affect serotonin re-uptake. Paroxetine and citalopram have a relatively short half-life and it may be that they are more prone to association withe discontinuation effects and PANES. It may be that this common ability of the SSRIs (to affect serotonin re-uptake), or an indirect consequence of this ability is responsible for these persistent adverse neurological effects. These effects appear to have been first described in this report. There is something of a similarity to the effects seen after benzodiazepine discontinuation (Ashton, 1987). In benzodiazpine witrhdrawal the symptoms occur 1-2 weeks after withdrawal and may persist to some degree. Th mechanism is thought to be related to GABA-ergic systems. Further case reports and surveillance data are needed to establish the significance or otherwise of what we propose to be persistent adverse neurological effects of SSRIs (PANES).
Contact the author
Dr Ben Green, MRCPsych, ILTM, Consultant Psychiatrist, Halton Hospital, UK and Hon. Senior Lecturer, University of Liverpool, UK References
Ashton, H (1987)Brain systems, disorders and psychotropic drugs. Oxford, OUP.

Fitzgerald K, Healy, D. (1995) Dystonias and dyskinesias of the jaw associated with the use of SSRIs. Human Psychopharmacology, 10, 215-219.

Raap DK; Garcia F; Muma Na et al. (1999) Sustained desensitization of hypothalamic 5-Hydroxytryptamine1A receptors after discontinuation of fluoxetine: inhibited neuroendocrine responses to 8-hydroxy-2-(Dipropylamino)Tetralin in the absence of changes in Gi/o/z proteins. J Pharmacol Exp Ther, Feb, 288:2, 561-7.
Rosenbaum JF; Fava M; Hoog SL; Ascroft RC; Krebs WB (1998) Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor discontinuation syndrome: a randomized clinical trial [see comments] Biol Psychiatry, 1998 Jul, 44:2, 77-87.
Schatzberg AF; Haddad P; Kaplan EM et al. (1997) Serotonin reuptake inhibitor discontinuation syndrome: a hypothetical definition. Discontinuation Consensus panel. J Clin Psychiatry, 1997, 58 Suppl 7:, 5-10

See also Venlafaxine - long-term adverse effects (2002)

Version 1.0 published Spring 2000

Version 2.0 published November 2000

Version 2.0 published December 2000

Version 2.1 published September 2002

Version 2.2 published January 2003

"He acknowledges that a lot of people benefit from Seroxat, and he has a moderate suggestion that falls well short of any grandiose attempt to have the drug withdrawn"

There you are Bob your lawyer calls your plans GRANDIOSE

Sara xxx

Hope you used a better one when you sued the Car factory. You threaten & sue a lot of people Bob, is that how you make a living.

How's your gout

Mr Harvey says he has never called for Seroxat to be
withdrawn.

"It's a question of proper, informed choice. If doctors and patients are told the risks involved they can make an informed choice about whether to use the drug or not."

Sara XXX (Seroxat MARK HARVEY - (he) acknowledges that a lot of people benefit from Seroxat.) !!

original url -

http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?
story=589569&host=3&dir=94

source-

© 2004 Independent
Digital (UK) Ltd

By David Hellier
04 December 2004

Lawyers acting for 1,700 people in the UK have issued a pre-action
letter of claim against GlaxoSmithKline alleging serious side-
effects have been suffered by their clients taking one of its best-
selling drugs, the anti-depressant Seroxat.

The legal case, which is being spearheaded by Mark Harvey, a partner
at Hugh James Solicitors, represents an escalation of the challenges
facing the drug.

Already, concerns over the addictive properties of Seroxat have led
the UK Government to ban its prescription to people under the age of
18.

On Monday, the UK's Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory
Agency is expected to tighten up guidelines in the use of anti-
depressants after a major safety review.

The drug is also facing challenges in the US, where it is marketed
as Paxil. Regulators there want its labelling changed to highlight
the risk factors more fully, while lawyers are looking to claim
compensation on behalf of clients.

Mr Harvey says his 1,700 clients are of different age groups and
were selected from about 4,000 people who contacted the firm with
complaints about the drug. "We have screened the complainants
carefully so as to include only those whose symptoms we strongly
feel have been brought on by the use of the drug," he said.

Mr Harvey is bringing the claim under the Consumer Protection Act
1987. The claimants allege withdrawal problems and/or aggression
and/or suicidal acts. Mr Harvey thinks the case will take at least
two years to get to trial. Funding comes from a mixture of public
funds and from legal insurance policies.

Mr Harvey says he has never called for Seroxat to be
withdrawn. "It's a question of proper, informed choice. If doctors
and patients are told the risks involved they can make an informed
choice about whether to use the drug or not."

Mr Harvey said he could not say what scale of damages he would be
looking for.

A statement from Hugh James Solicitors notes that a World Health
Organisation league table of the drugs that cause withdrawal
difficulties puts Seroxat at the top, with twice as many reports as
the next highest entry.

GlaxoSmithKline said yesterday it had received a letter of claim
from Hugh James Solicitors on Thursday and it was considering it in
detail.

The pharmaceuticals giant's chief executive Jean-Pierre Garnier has
spoken recently about the need to speed the development of other
drugs, especially of a cervical cancer vaccine that he feels could
be a blockbuster, because of safety concerns with other drugs.

Legal | Contact us | Using our Content | © 2004 Independent
Digital (UK) Ltd

Glaxo faces threat of UK class action over Seroxat

By David Hellier
04 December 2004

Mr Harvey says he has never called for Seroxat to be
withdrawn.

"It's a question of proper, informed choice. If doctors and patients are told the risks involved they can make an informed choice about whether to use the drug or not."

Sara XXX (Seroxat MARK HARVEY - (he) acknowledges that a lot of people benefit from Seroxat.) !!

original url -

http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?
story=589569&host=3&dir=94

source-

© 2004 Independent
Digital (UK) Ltd

By David Hellier
04 December 2004

Lawyers acting for 1,700 people in the UK have issued a pre-action
letter of claim against GlaxoSmithKline alleging serious side-
effects have been suffered by their clients taking one of its best-
selling drugs, the anti-depressant Seroxat.

The legal case, which is being spearheaded by Mark Harvey, a partner
at Hugh James Solicitors, represents an escalation of the challenges
facing the drug.

Already, concerns over the addictive properties of Seroxat have led
the UK Government to ban its prescription to people under the age of
18.

On Monday, the UK's Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory
Agency is expected to tighten up guidelines in the use of anti-
depressants after a major safety review.

The drug is also facing challenges in the US, where it is marketed
as Paxil. Regulators there want its labelling changed to highlight
the risk factors more fully, while lawyers are looking to claim
compensation on behalf of clients.

Mr Harvey says his 1,700 clients are of different age groups and
were selected from about 4,000 people who contacted the firm with
complaints about the drug. "We have screened the complainants
carefully so as to include only those whose symptoms we strongly
feel have been brought on by the use of the drug," he said.

Mr Harvey is bringing the claim under the Consumer Protection Act
1987. The claimants allege withdrawal problems and/or aggression
and/or suicidal acts. Mr Harvey thinks the case will take at least
two years to get to trial. Funding comes from a mixture of public
funds and from legal insurance policies.

Mr Harvey says he has never called for Seroxat to be
withdrawn. "It's a question of proper, informed choice. If doctors
and patients are told the risks involved they can make an informed
choice about whether to use the drug or not."

Mr Harvey said he could not say what scale of damages he would be
looking for.

A statement from Hugh James Solicitors notes that a World Health
Organisation league table of the drugs that cause withdrawal
difficulties puts Seroxat at the top, with twice as many reports as
the next highest entry.

GlaxoSmithKline said yesterday it had received a letter of claim
from Hugh James Solicitors on Thursday and it was considering it in
detail.

The pharmaceuticals giant's chief executive Jean-Pierre Garnier has
spoken recently about the need to speed the development of other
drugs, especially of a cervical cancer vaccine that he feels could
be a blockbuster, because of safety concerns with other drugs.

Legal | Contact us | Using our Content | © 2004 Independent
Digital (UK) Ltd

Glaxo faces threat of UK class action over Seroxat

By David Hellier
04 December 2004

Dare I dip my toe in this typhoon? Sara, unfortunately in the UK's legal system, like in the US, if you recognize that you could improve information you are confessing moral and legal responsibility and thus assuming moral and legal liability. Glaxo should take moral and legal responsibility for it's moral and legal crimes. These drugs play a large role in the destruction of human life in the "modernized" world. Imagine what would happen if all of the lawyers involved stoped taking ssris? Their sense of morality would return and the world would be much better off.

72...

We will go till 120.
:)

Well, I will really write to David Healy.
I have his e-mail.

In Brazil psychiatrists are being paid the same amount to prescribe these drugs.
If I had to pay to get out of the drug it would be great!
I wish we had a David Healy.

And Sara!
Don't deceive yourself.
After a certain age you can sleep a whole day and night and the wrinkles will not go away.
Use retinoic acid.
It helps a little.

But I have nature on my side at....

I really want to beat this record.

I have nature on my side.
I did not put weight even on SSRIs and all the other drugs.

And when I say I'm 49 people still say it doesn't show.

But...

I believe that this obsession with getting old is a complete nonsense.

Now I'll write to David Healy asking him how much does it costs and when or if he can see me.

He has 10,000 patients!
I believe I will not have an appointment in this lifetime.

:(

Bryce wrote:

"Hope you used a better one when you sued the Car factory. You threaten & sue a lot of people Bob, is that how you make a living."

I never sued them. I took them to an employment tribunal. Threaten and sue a lot of people? Who? Name them?

Bryce also wrote:

"How's your gout"

Fine thanks. How's the yacht?

I'm still astounded that this man is posting as a woman. Despite his cover being blown he still continues to rant and rave without actually answering any questions that are put to him.

It's a great archive to keep and to show how not to go about a debate.

Fid

You know what whoever-youare?

It's not with the wrinkle of your face that you should care about.
You should care about the wrinkle of your ethics.

I don't know if you realize that you're disrespecting everybody here.
You know that you're in a place that belongs to someone? You know why people come here?
Why don't you go on and do your lawsuit in the appropriate place?
You're not in a court here.
It's a blog and it belongs to someone who works hard.

The show is over for me.

I believe that nobody should answer anymore.
Let this person keep on with this circus.

I will not come to this post any longer.

No time to loose.
Some people don't know what to do with their time when they retire!

This one is for you Morse

From one Internet Troll to another

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ7QVCVshlw

Well Bob have you managed to pay Healy his monkey?

£500 is a lot of money to someone getting by on state handouts. Or did he take in bootleg CD's & DVD's

"Seroxat MARK HARVEY (he) acknowledges that a lot of people benefit from Seroxat."

Sara xxx

"He acknowledges that a lot of people benefit from Seroxat, and he has a moderate suggestion that falls well short of any grandiose attempt to have the drug withdrawn"

are you still GRANDIOSE Bob?

"It's not with the wrinkle of your face that you should care about.
You should care about the wrinkle of your ethics."

There is nothing amis with my ethics, I don't rip off vulnerable people & in saying that I'm not refering to pharmacutical companies. Everybody knows about pharma. Now they know about SUG/OSSG.

Sara xxx

Mr Harvey says he has never called for Seroxat to be
withdrawn. "It's a question of proper, informed choice. If doctors
and patients are told the risks involved they can make an informed
choice about whether to use the drug or not."

source - http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?
story=589569&host=3&dir=94

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@ Posted by: Sally at May 24, 2008 06:58 AM

"These drugs play a large role in the destruction of human life in the "modernized" world. Imagine what would happen if all of the lawyers involved stoped taking ssris? Their sense of morality would return and the world would be much better off."

Dear Sally

So you think Mark Harvey is taking SSRI's ? Does that make you think he is amoral?

Could that why he said in the newspaper-

Mr Harvey says he has never called for Seroxat to be
withdrawn. "It's a question of proper, informed choice. If doctors
and patients are told the risks involved they can make an informed
choice about whether to use the drug or not."

Wow !!

Sara XXX

Remember if the P.I.L. is changed and warns about seroxat withdrawal - you can't sue GSK

That shows real moral leadership(not)

I think it's important to remember and focus on this:

"People died from taking Paxil. There are over 800 reported deaths associated with the use of this drug in the FDA's adverse events database. There are over 8,900 other adverse events in the FDA's adverse events database associated with the use of this drug." --Dawdy

"People died from taking Paxil. There are over 800 reported deaths associated with the use of this drug in the FDA's adverse events database. There are over 8,900 other adverse events in the FDA's adverse events database associated with the use of this drug." --Dawdy"

I agree it is important to remember this Stephany that is why I must point out the hipocracy of the vested interests and cynics who founded SUG

Sara XXX

Mark Harvey founder of SUG said

Mr Harvey says he has never called for Seroxat to be
withdrawn. "It's a question of proper, informed choice. If doctors
and patients are told the risks involved they can make an informed
choice about whether to use the drug or not."

source -

http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?
story=589569&host=3&dir=94

Sara XXX

If you read the amended P.I.L you can't claim against GSK & you know who claimed he orchastrated the change in PIL !!

What a bastard

Bryce wrote:

"Well Bob have you managed to pay Healy his monkey?"

HAHAHAHA - No I paid him with an orangutan you halfwit!

Bryce also quipped:

"£500 is a lot of money to someone getting by on state handouts. Or did he take in bootleg CD's & DVD's"

Oh that's the DVD comment Thomson - Head of Depression Alliance made. Try joining a bootleg hub to see what 'seeding' is all about.

Tell me Jeremy, who paid for your yacht?

Oh forget it - you won't answer - you have failed to answer every single question thrown at you thus far in this thread and you still beleive you are a woman! Maybe transvestisism is your thing Jeremey (ahem) Jasmine?

I'm done with your tunnel vision.

Now go cry down the phone to the DoH or MHRA - 'Fiddaman works for solicitors sob, sob, sob, YOU MUST do something about it. But you must, you must... if you don't I will make a complaint... Fiddaman is on benefits and works for solicitors' - What a poor misguided soul you are Jezza

By the way - how do you think I gained access to your 'membership only groups'?

I was invited Jezza - you have a mole and she used to be part of OSSG - Can't trust anyone these day eh Jezza?

Now let the kids play on your boat - they are doing no harm.

Signing out... although you will probably see it as some sort of victory and continue to spout inane bollocks. Carry on. It's pointless asking questions to someone who answers 'Mark Harvey this, David Healy that, Derek Scott this, SUGS that, Fiddaman this'

How's Cynders these days - Surprised she still had my email address.

Ouch! Hurts to be duped eh Jezza?

Fid

"that is why I must point out the hipocracy of the vested interests and cynics who founded SUG."-saraXXX

Well thank you for finally making it clear what your purpose and point is here Sara XXX.
~
I think enough has been said for readers to draw their own conclusion on the discussion thread now.

It serves no purpose to flame, be critical, or announce personal opinion of others, list their health ailments, or post a constant stream of links and copies of emails, that completely derails any credibility or integrity of the author, especially when written by a person who chooses to do this anonymously.
~
As I wrote earlier, this is what I feel we need to remain focused on:

""People died from taking Paxil. There are over 800 reported deaths associated with the use of this drug in the FDA's adverse events database. There are over 8,900 other adverse events in the FDA's adverse events database associated with the use of this drug." --Dawdy.

90

There we go....!!!!

"I think enough has been said for readers to draw their own conclusion on the discussion thread now."

No!

Stephany,
What are you doing here? LOL

I have no idea what is at stake here!
All I know is that a person have chosen a nick - a woman's name which makes me very sad because women are often accused of doing gossips - is insinuating that has been corruption online with SUG and David Healy is involved I have no idea why.

I here having fun!

Sara wrote:
"...He [Harvey] acknowledges that a lot of people benefit from Seroxat, and he has a moderate suggestion that falls well short of any grandiose attempt to have the drug withdrawn"

Universal quantifiers (eg, "it is well known;" "it always happens;" "what the public want to see;" "the whole world knows;" etc, etc), rarely contain universal truth. To be accurate, even if "a lot" of people benefit, that still does not mean that the majority do. Indeed, the drug is really only regarded as being valuable for the severely depressed, even though it's more widely prescribed. Also, simply because Harvey (or the author of the piece quoted), regards withdrawing the drug as a "grandiose" idea, does not mean that it IS a grandiose idea, other than in the reality of the person who regards that idea as grandiose. No: no one idea is grandiose, but believing that one's is the only idea that is valid most certainly is.

Stephany's right, I think: lambasting people for getting the PIL changed (and thus hopefully improving the quality of information available), on the basis that one will no longer be able to sue GSK for the withdrawal symptoms and suicidality that one has now been warned of, appears to be the purpose of your comments. Getting the PIL changed may have inadvertently benefitted GSK, but should Derek, et al, have left the PIL as was, in order that people who made the connection between their experience and the drug had a wallet to shoot at, via the vagaries of the civil justice system? At the same time, those who accepted that what they were experiencing was down to their "condition," rather than the drug, would carry on suffering in silence, completely ignorant of the issues that had been identified by others.

Tell me, Sara: what have you done to help the people you claim to be championing (ie, "Seroxat victims")? I think you need to be clear on what hypocrisy amounts to.

And I think Stephany's right, again: it's time to draw a line under this sordid exchange.

Matt

92 - we are almost beating the record!

I don't have time to read it all. If I had a serious explanation about what has happened I would take it into consideration.

I see no reason why I should take it seriously.

I prefer reading Kafka for it's wonderful and funny.

BTW: I have a degree in literature and I like arts.

What about you?
We only know each other as being labeled "bipolar" or any other of these.
Perhaps we should better take it as a chance to know what are our other interests in life besides complaining about psychiatry.

I know you like the movie "Lorenzo's Oil" and I like it too.
Fiddaman likes "The Shawshank Redemption" and writes poetry.

I believe it would be a good end to this post if we could say a few things we like.

It would be a good way to beat the record!

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-in this case the Sarah (note the h) is also a lawyer. Janice Simmons did NOT set up the seroxatusergroup but barrister Sarah Venn did.

Sara xxx

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Well there we have it straight from the mouth of babes - HUGH JAMES working with USA lawyers.

Sara XXX

United States NewsUS attorneys (with whomHugh James is working)have succeeded inobtaining a temporarycourt order to ban GlaxoSmithKline fromadvertising Seroxat ontelevision with the motto"non-habit forming". TheJudge will hold a fullhearing in October toconsider the matterfurther. However notonly is the Judge'sdecision criticised byGSK but the US Foodand DrugsAdministration alsoargues that the courtexceeded its powersThere is no 'direct topatient' advertising in theUK, but Hugh James isconsidering variousremedies to securechanges to the patienti nformation and datasheets. This involves thepossibility of JudicialReview of the MedicinesControl Agency if itcontinues to decline toact in response to thesubstantial evidence ofdependency

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:NA1b02vj3osJ:www.seroxatusergroup.org.uk/Documents/newsletterissue1.pdf+derek+scott+seroxat&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&client=REAL-tb

This is the html version of the file http://www.seroxatusergroup.org.uk/Documents/newsletterissue1.pdf.

Issue 1 Sept 2002

Hugh James demanded £500 or they would drop her case - wisely Denni went to another firm of lawyers.

Note too that Denni complains that Hugh James was monitoring the group.

(see under post from Jon Bray paralegal at Hugh James)

Sara xxx

--- In Seroxat_Users_Group@yahoogroups.com, "dennischnapp"
wrote:

Jeez, you're actually monitoring this newsgroup?! Last I heard, I either post your esteemed firm a £ 500 cheque or my case will be igignored. I have changed lawyers.

Denni

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> > -----Original Message-----
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Posted by: Matthew Holford at May 24, 2008 05:00 PM

Thank you Matt, you appear to accept that Mark Harvey, Derek Scott, Janice Simmons, Sarah Venn & all their associated camp followers and rabble rousers have done much to benefit GSK !

Sordid - indeed.

Sara xxx

BTW you also said " Universal quantifiers (eg, "it is well known;" "it always etc etc -

Matt the same can apply to the hype placed in the media by Goodrelations acting for their client Mark Harvey.

"At the same time, those who accepted that what they were experiencing was down to their "condition," rather than the drug, would carry on suffering in silence, completely ignorant of the issues that had been identified by others."

Many people still don't know they are suffering "side effects" and "iatrogenic condition" and not a real disease.

Why the petition that is online since 2005 has only 9958 signatures?

9249. Rina I lost my niece to seroxat, she suffered from akathisia 2 weeks after being on seroxat and committed suicide. www.sharisegatchell.com South Africa

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?oky71&701

I'm sorry for the jokes.
This is the way I've found to show how far can an unethical person go to make defamatory claims without any base.

"well obviously not you,(halftruthman15) but you'd be surprised who does & what they are prepared to do about it."

Let's wait to see what these people are going to do and perhaps it'll be possible to have a real and enlightening discussion.

For the moment I only see a circus of offensive and unjust allegations based on evidences that means nothing.

Sara wrote:
"Thank you Matt, you appear to accept that Mark Harvey, Derek Scott, Janice Simmons, Sarah Venn & all their associated camp followers and rabble rousers have done much to benefit GSK !

Sordid - indeed..."

You have deliberately misinterpreted what I wrote, which was that the change to the PIL may have inadvertently benefitted GSK, but also presented a benefit to any future patients, too. Kindly try to balance your argument - it's relatively easy to find a negative interpretation to almost any event or act, dependent upon how one is positioned. What would you have SUG/OSSG do, in order to convince you of their bone fide? In other words, what are you doing to help "Seroxat victims," as I asked before?

As to universal quantifiers: I quoted the Harvey piece prior to making comment - what did you think I was talking about? My dislike for unsubstantiated global claims is a universal thing - I don't differentiate, according to who makes them. Jesus, Sara, are you capable of reading anything, without trying to score points, or seeing it as an attack?

Matt

re -Posted by: Ana at May 25, 2008 06:16 AM

Dear Ana, you said

"For the moment I only see a circus of offensive and unjust allegations based on evidences that means nothing. "

Does that include the allegation that Cyndi invited Fiddaman into Jeremy Bryce's group (criticalpsychiatry2) so that he could spy on him ?

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/criticalpsychiatry2/

Perhaps you would care to join criticalpsychiatry2 & see if there is anything worth spying upon.

Better still see the meaningful dialogue Fiddaman enters into when he joins properly run & professionally moderated groups.

Sara xxx

see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/32539

From Cyndi re allegations made by Bob Fiddaman here @ Furious Seasons

Cyndi said -

"It would appear that Bob Fiddaman(Fiddy)(Serox. group) is saying they have me
(Cynders) as a plant in Jeremys' private group.
That I am giving them info and that I have contacted Fiddy .I clicked on the
word press link and I have read the Furious Seasons pages. Does that mean I have
been speaking to him?How many people read those pages ?Quite a few ,that does
not mean that I or anyone else has contacted him directly.
This is a total fabrication and doesn't sit well with their 'oh so honest'
group.
So ,knowing they read this group also, could one of them put the proof that I'm
the groups' mole on here ?

Tell me what I have sent ,when etc.How often etc all of it.
If you send it to me private ,I wll just broadcast it so Fiddy ,put it
andanything else on here .
This is an illegal statement ,total lies and I want the proof of what I've done
or a retraction ,or I will take this further.

btw ,look to your own friendly ''members'' ,oh my you really don't know do
you.Good luck with the meeting coming up !!!!!!!

I am extremely fucking angry!

From Cornishcynders
Kernow bys vyken "

Sara XXX

Over to you Bob

Oh yes Bob have you checked the integrity of your membership lately. Is it time for another cull, remember like the last time when 600+ names were deleted down to your current 332 ?

Be really intersting to see if Naughtie gets to interview Andrew Witty and to see how Witty handles himself. I'm guessing any future interviews on national radio or TV will be met with disdain by CEO's of Pharma, particularly if they are grilled about a subject they have not been briefed about prior to entering the studio.

Fid

UKSurvivors proudly boast "Mental health user/survivors, disabled people and allies in the UK to debate, get/give support and network together"

Let's just take a peek inside and see how they have been supporting one another.

Posted by Bryce on Sun Nov 6, 2005 3:13 pm

Bob Fiddaman an interview at Post Poems.com

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/18768

----

Posted by Bryce on Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:06 pm

Janet Anderson MP says don't contact me again Mr Scott & Fiddaman

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/22473

----

Posted by Bryce on Mon May 8, 2006 5:00 pm

ROBERT FIDDAMAN banned from blacktriangle.org/blog

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/22654

----

Posted by Bryce on Sun May 14, 2006 5:50 pm

last call for so called " SEROXAT PETITION "

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/22703

----

Posted by Bryce on Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:04 pm

despite being backed by Scientology only 434 signed Serox petition

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/27533

----

Posted by Bryce on Fri Feb 1, 2008 10:26 am

& no mention of the phantom Tampon poet ....Bob Fiddaman

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/30064

----

Posted by Bryce on Fri May 23, 2008 12:48 pm

Bob Fiddaman confirms seroxatUSERgroup has no members

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/32484

----

In fact just type in the word 'Seroxat' into the search facility and you will see more rants.

I'm bewildered as to how this is supporting Mental health user/survivors, & disabled people?

Fid

Re UK Survivors post 32541

Looks like it's your group that has the moles Bob.

Sara XXX

see -

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/32541

Start Topic
Regarding Scotts' group ,and Jeremys' one. Message List

Reply | Forward Message #32541 of 32553

Re: [uksurvivors] Re: Regarding Scotts' group ,and Jeremys' one.

Why would they or any other person think I'd spy for them ????

NOTE EVERYONE ,esp. if you are on benefits of any kind ,,,This (SEROXAT USER GROUP RUN BY SCOTT)is the fucking group who via one or more members got the Benefits agency onto Tony (husband).

Most of you know how terminally ill he is .

I am so angry !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THEY throw accusations ,but Faye (SHE co founded with Scott and they threw her out while she was suffering from cancer btw)

and a lot more ,more than they know are having a laugh finally at their expense.

Re MHRA Meeting.
Posted by: "jojoseph09" jojoseph09@... jojoseph09
Fri May 23, 2008 10:41 am (PDT)
That's wonderful news Derek! I just want to thank you ,Fiddy and "The
team" for doing so much for us. I hope other members here appreciate
all you do! To members,please post and show your support to Derek he
works non stop for all of us. Jo..1 of 3 moderators.

See UK Survivors post 32533

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/32533

Jonathon Bray, Paralegal a member of staff at Mark Harvey's company Hugh James CLEARLY a member of the Online Seroxat Support Group.

Sara XXX

Well Bob why are paralegals members of the group you moderated.

Trawling for clients?

see -

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/32533

& all clearly in HTML !

Oh look ! Paul Flynn MP (New Labour) Newport West, Wales.

Now why is he in the Online Seroxat Support Group?

see UK Survivors post 32537

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/32537

Sara XXX

well pray do tell us Bob,Paul Flynn is not your MP, Flynn is not Derek Scott's MP, Flynn is not Jo Josephs MP

So why is he in on your group.?

I'm sure lots of folk would love to here, afterall MP's are not allowed to represent people who reside outside their constituency area.

Is Flynn bent too? I thought the only drugs he was interested was the WEED?

I will answer you if you clearly state your full name.

Fid

Bryce wrote:

"Re UK Survivors post 32541

Looks like it's your group that has the moles Bob.

Sara XXX"

No shit Sherlock. Now when did the Cornish woman say that meeting was?

Tell her to check her calandar

It was a plant Bryce.

Why else would Parliament be open on a Sunday?

Oh, dear, who looks foolish now?

Really Jezza, you should do your homework. The only reason you won't state who you are on here is because of the bile you write. Had you the nerve to state your name then make your claims you would be open for defamation. C'mon, I dare ya to post your accusations and stand by them with your real name.

You post under an assumed name. It's the mark of a coward. I should know, look at the trouble I got into because I had a pair of bollocks to stand by my convictions with my real name. You know what I'm on about as you posted about it on your Mental Health gossip board.

Sup, to you.

Now show us how brave you are.

Fid

@ Posted by: BOB FIDDAMAN at May 25, 2008 02:45 PM

"I will answer you if you clearly state your full name."

So you don't deny that Paul Flynn MP (New Labour) Newport West is a member of the Online Seroxat Support Group !

Are you guys going to put him in a compromised position just like poor old Richard Brook of MIND ?

UK Charity watchers take note Paul Flynn is a member of the Online Sreoxat Support Group

Sara XXX

@ Posted by: BOB FIDDAMAN at May 25, 2008 02:45 PM

"I will answer you if you clearly state your full name."

So you don't deny that Paul Flynn MP (New Labour) Newport West is a member of the Online Seroxat Support Group !

Are you guys going to put him in a compromised position just like poor old Richard Brook of MIND ?

UK Charity watchers take note Paul Flynn is a member of the Online Sreoxat Support Group

Sara XXX

Exchange of e-mails between Jeremy Bryce & Mark Harvey, solicitor to UK Seroxat litigants

see post 32531 UK Survivors

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/32531

Well Bob looks like your man Harvey gets on just real well with Bryce. Seems cordial enough to me.

Now I wonder why Mark Harvey didn't bother to either follow up the advice given or personally issue a correction @ UK Survivors.

Why couldn't he have got Jonathon Bray or one of his other paralegals to post for him?

Afterall Hugh James employees regularly post on support groups.!!

So can we assume that Mark Harvey was happy with the legal points raised?

Or does Jonathon Bray only post when trawiling for clients?

Sara xxx

or does Mark Harvey try to manipulate things via the back door as it were- tries to manipulate vulnerable people.

Mark Harvey's reply to Jeremy Bryce ...note he did not post @ UK Sur Message #32535

url -

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/32535

From: Mark Harvey
Date: 21/04/2008 09:52:33
To: Jeremy Bryce
Subject: RE: Seroxat

Thanks for this. I will contact the moderator. It is important that those pursuing the litigation or considering do so, even more so when they are ill, are not frightened by inaccurate information. The two examples below are yet further examples and I am afraid have to be corrected.

Actually you are wrong re insurance. The members of the Group have Public Funding (which carries costs protection) for the generic case, namely proving the drug is defective in law and After the Event Insurance Cover for their individual case, namely proving they have suffered an injury from the defect.

Secondly so far as losing means related benefits is concerned this is not strictly true either. First of all compensation awarded below the capital threshold will have no impact. However more importantly where it is to be paid in excess of the threshold it is our invariable practice in compensation claims to encourage the establishment of a Special Needs Trust into which the compensation is paid. Then it is disregarded by the DSS in the calculation of benefits whilst still being accessible for use by the victim. Of course if the benefits have replaced work related income and by definition arise from the drug then the claim will have included a loss of employment and income (past and future) claim to try and correct the situation.

Best wishes

Mark Harvey

Sara XXX

Well Bob so now we have proof about the Trust Fund.

Did Mark forget to tell you?

Never mind you won't get a lump sum so you shouldn't loose too much of your state handout from social security.

Pity though for those who were hanging in their for a GSK lump sum to pay off their debts and prevent their houses being repossessed.

Bob,

Because Sara's refusing to identify herself, you're playing into her hands by assuming her identity as Bryce (even if you have significant circumstantial evidence to bolster that assumption). In the event, this is a meaningless argument to all but you and Sara - she's said nothing that means anything. She might as well claim that now that we know that grass is green, this is firm evidence of malfeasance on the part of SUG.

Thus the "evidence" of the trust fund: so, what? If people want to play the civil law lottery in the hope of getting rich, then they don't know what the Law's about. The purpose is compensation for wrongs done (to the extent that money can accomplish that), and not to enrich oneself. Quite what Sara believes she has demonstrated with this "revelation" is beyond me, but still.

Anyway, the point is this: Sara has no interest in giving you an "in," by revealing her true identity, even supposing you'd know her from Adam (or Eve). Moreover, she's evidently determined not to be sidetracked from her objective, whatever that is, by answering questions about her own conduct. Why she should imagine that you will (answer her questions), in the circumstances, I have absolutely no idea.

Bob, I say this as a friend: just walk away, because I don't perceive that anybody really gives a fuck whether or not you or Sara wins this argument, to the extent that there's even an objective that can be achieved, of course. Stephany's right: the key issue is the fact of those patients who have experienced SAEs having taken Seroxat, and continue to be affected by the drug, and then what one does to assist them.

This argument does not further anybody's understanding of how to achieve that. Besides which, I perceive that Sara satisfies a need for release (from what, I've no idea), by goading you. You please yourself whether you permit her to do that.

Matt

Fid, this is one fight not worth the time and energy, because the ones who support you (like me) don't need to know who 'saraXXX' is--clearly, the person has stated in their own words that they are 'angry' and appear to be escalating, and using this as a forum to vent.

You are above it all. Keep on the good work, and the good fight, you are respected by many,many people, and XXX cannot and will not take that away.

Be well, and close this conversation.

Stephany

re
Message #32556 @ Uk Survivors

Could Bob Fiddaman explain why Hugh James felt it necessary to -

"seek the head of (Jeremy Bryce) on a silver platter"

wanted his blood too !

What is disturbing about this that the person who originally placed this information on the net (Sarah Venn) is actually a qualified lawyer, a barrister.

Still if there was something iffy about message Sarah Venn would be best placed to sue Bryce.

You remember Sarah Venn Bob, don't you -
here read SeroxatUserGroup newsletter issue 1. I see it is on Hugh James letter headed note paper, so no doubt Mark Harvey knows this Sarah Venn too.

http://www.seroxatusergroup.org.uk/Documents/newsletterissue1.pdf

Sara XXX

see Message #32556

url http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/32556

Hugh James wanted my head on a silver platter ...said Sara Venn Message List

Reply | Forward | Delete Message #32556 of 32557

Name: SarahV (213.104.164.169, 213.104.164.169, 213.104.164.169)
Subject: yes of course they are! they want your blood too.
Wed, Jul 16 2003 at 12:19 pm

You Sarah Venn also said........
Name: SarahV (213.104.164.169, 213.104.164.169, 213.104.164.169)
Subject: I heard they wanted your head actually, on a silver platter

That the said remarks are available NOW for public inspection at the following url's

http://forum.onecenter.com/cgi-bin/forum/forum.cgi?c=msg&fid=ssrihelp4u&mid=143
ttp://forum.onecenter.com/cgi-bin/forum/forum.cgi?c=msg&fid=ssrihelp4u&mid=151
http://forum.onecenter.com/cgi-bin/forum/forum.cgi?c=msg&fid=ssrihelp4u&mid=160
http://forum.onecenter.com/cgi-bin/forum/forum.cgi?c=msg&fid=ssrihelp4u&mid=167

Bob Fiddaman take a look at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/32556

Tell us Bob why ever would your lawyers, Hugh James

want (Jeremy Bryce's) head on a silver platter?

why would they want his blood?

The comments to which I draw your attention were originally posted on the net by Sarah Venn. You remember Sarah Venn, don't you Bob? Never mind here take a look at -

http://www.seroxatusergroup.org.uk/Documents/newsletterissue1.pdf

See it is printed on Hugh James letter headed paper. Nice photograph of Mark Harvey, expensive sun tan too. Did he get it in America.?

Lookie too Ms Venn gives her manifesto and it's all on Hugh James paper. So Mark Harvey can hardly say he does not know Ms Venn.

So why the DEATH THREATS to the

list owner of SSRI Crusaders
moderator of Prozacawareness
moderator of Withdrawal&Recovery
list owner of Criticalpsychiatry2

why the death threats Bob?

see also

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/32557

Jeremy Bryce has challenged Ms Venn to sue him if he has made a mistake.

Go on then Bob Fiddaman tell us why SUG issues death threats to genuine activists??

Sara XXX

I'm just a girl who lost her reputation a long time ago & and can't be arsed to go looking for it.

Sara wrote:
"...Go on then Bob Fiddaman tell us why SUG issues death threats to genuine activists??..

...I'm just a girl who lost her reputation a long time ago & and can't be arsed to go looking for it."

Well, at the risk of butting in, again: I don't know, Sara, why has SUG issued death threats to genuine activists? More to the point, why would you take those threats seriously? Even more pertinently: does your justification for taking those threats seriously hold any water, in the cold light of day?

Everybody's reputation takes a battering, on a regular basis, Sara: it's how people seek to make themselves look more valuable (ie, if there's somebody shittier than one, then one can't be the worst person in the world, despite what one has been told). Listen, by some accounts, I'm an Evil Machine, and a Twister Of Words. On that basis, you would do well to avoid me. However, what if the person who made those claims of me was projecting, and I'm actually just a mirror for that projection? And what if that's true of everybody?

There may be evil in the world, Sara, but I doubt that it's personnified by either you or the people you've been attacking, on this thread.

Matt

Jeremy..

You do yourself no favors by ranting and raving incoherently like some kind of rabid unhinged lunatic..
None of your arguments are structured or properly researched, you are throwing out "dirt" but it's landing nowhere because it has no "weight" ..

Personally, I think its totally sick and twisted that you go around sabotaging anything Seroxat related, such as petitions etc, there are many people involved in this (such as myself) that have nothing to do with the SUG or any online groups, we do this because we wan't others to be aware about the dangers of Seroxat. You are doing a grave disservice to those who were harmed by Seroxat by your behavior, if you have a problem with Fid, Derek Scott, Janice Simmons, Mark Harvey , hugh James etc then you should take your issues up with them individually. It is totally out of order to attack all Seroxat victims on the basis of your petty grudges.

So can someone please tell me why a UK Member of Parliament (Paul Flynn) is a member of a so-called activists group that issues death threats on the internet.

Paul Flynn (New Labour, Newport West)- you know there has been no denial that he was a member of OSSG despite invitation to Mr Fiddaman for comment. (but how could there be a denial given the evidence) So can we have an explanation

Sara xxx

Is this what they normally do when longer standing and genuine activist movements point out that SUG/OSSG is a scam.

So far there has been NO DENIAL that Sarah Venn has made this threat.

@ Posted by: truthman30 at May 26, 2008 05:34 AM

"Personally, I think its totally sick and twisted that you go around sabotaging anything Seroxat related, such as petitions etc, "

Do I, you know this for a fact ?

"It is totally out of order to attack all Seroxat victims on the basis of your petty grudges. "

Where is the evidence of this, actually I'll help you where is the evidence I attack ALL seroxat victims.

You know for someone who calls himself truthman30 you are real big into sweeping statements.

I'd stick with halftruthman15 if I were you, more fitting

Sara xxx

Now what think you of (Fid, Derek Scott, Janice Simmons, Mark Harvey , hugh James) who go out their way to exploit seroxat victims for £ gain.

Where is the evidence of this, actually I'll help you where is the evidence I attack ALL seroxat victims.

You know for someone who calls himself truthman30 you are real big into sweeping statements.

I'd stick with halftruthman15 if I were you, more fitting

Sara xxx

_____

Well that's rich coming from someone who goes under several different aliases ..
It's obvious that you wrecked the petitions , the sabotaging you did there is exactly the same style as your attempts here.
The desecrating you did on those petitions is an attack and insult to everyone harmed by SSRI medications..

Sara,

As I have already told you many times:
You are disrespecting many people.
Please open YOUR OWN BLOG. If people are interested on what you have to say they'll go there.
Why do you want to impose your case to people who are not interested?
You are insulting and harming all of us.
You are unethical to say the least.

I agree Ana..
Why don't you set up your own blog Jeremy, that way you can rant and rave until your hearts content!

Mark Harvey's firm takes legal aid funding then drops depression drug case !!!!

Sara XXX

see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/32579

Mark Harvey's firm takes legal aid funding then drops depression drug case !!!!

British firm of solicitors that received legal aid to pursue litigation against Roche five years ago has now dropped the actions,believing that the cases would be impossible to prove.

Copyright 2004 Times Newspapers Ltd

Roaccutane.

Campaigners against the drug believe that the exercise would
demonstrate a strong link between use of the drug and suicide.

However, a British firm of solicitors that received legal aid to
pursue litigation against Roche five years ago has now dropped the
actions, believing that the cases would be impossible to prove.

"About 80 or 90 claimants came forward but we had to report that
we did not think the claims could be won," said Mark Harvey, now a
partner in Hugh James, the solicitors in Cardiff. "You have to be
able to link depression to the drug and it would be difficult to
prove that it might not have arisen anyway and to eliminate other
causes. Isn't depression a side effect of puberty or acne in any
event? It is going to be difficult to get the Legal Aid Board to
reopen this."

Mark Harvey posts openly on Online Seroxat Support Group

see -

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/message/32580

All in HTML !!

Sara XXX

Perhaps Bob Fiddaman can explain why his lawyer posts openly on a support site for seroxat users?

Is he a patient himself Bob?

Seems that poor old Bryce character has wound him up ! Does he need treatment.

Just to show people what kind of character this Jeremy-Bryce-Morse-Sara xxx character is..

Take a look at the crap he posted on TWO Seroxat petitions to the UK prime minister..

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Withdraw-Seroxat/

"Derek, are you still recomending Prozac?"

"Single issue tubthumping – IT’S A DRUG CLASS PROBLEM!!!"

"Derek, are you doing better on the antipsychotic instead of the Seroxat?
"
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk:80/SeroxatGSK/

"seroxatUSERSgroup was set up by lawyers litigating against GSK"

"SeroxatUSERSgroup was created by lawyers litigating against GSK"
________

Well I hope you enjoyed yourself there Jeremy, you weren't content with destroying one petition so you posted your crap on two of tme...
You call yourself an "SSRI campaigner" ?
Well, think about the hundreds of people who put their name to those petitions, petitions which you decided to ruin..
Do you think your helping the anti- SSRI cause?
Because I certainly don't..

Sara XXX,

Explain to me again what your purpose is here, I've forgotten! Anonymous dribble ends up being wiped away eventually, and I agree, get a blog, call it "Sara XXX Exposed." You can even moderate and delete comments! It's perfect for your agenda. Because right now you are falling on deaf ears.

Have a nice day girlfriend!:)

let us take a look at
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Withdraw-Seroxat/

and your various points

(a)"Derek, are you still recomending Prozac?"

Derek Scott regularly recomended other people to take prozac as part of, or full replacement to, Seroxat in a withdrawal stratagey. That is until he took it himself & had a dissaster.

(b) "Single issue tubthumping – IT’S A DRUG CLASS PROBLEM!!!"

That comment is usually made by a person who regularly posted in OSSG using the name "Tuesday"

Yes Tuesday is right, it is a DRUG CLASS PROBLEM

(c) Derek, are you doing better on the antipsychotic instead of the Seroxat?

Well the answer is well known

turning to
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk:80/SeroxatGSK/

(d) "seroxatUSERSgroup was set up by lawyers litigating against GSK"

This is an example of the TRUTH dear man.

So you said -

"Just to show people what kind of character this Jeremy-Bryce-Morse-Sara xxx character is..

Take a look at the crap he posted on TWO Seroxat petitions to the UK prime minister."

Where is your proof, the petition on on a UK Government server -

show us your proof !!!

Sara xxx

Well you know when I listened to the clip. I was predisposed to intensely disliking the GSK guy. By the end of the clip I felt like he had maintained his defense and made the reporter that hijacked the vaccine interview look pretty weak.

Nevertheless the stories about paxil and the side effects going on it, staying on it, coming off it. Just makes me so sad. It twists my guts to hear about people self injuring or attempting suicide.

From the age of 18 to about the age of 25 or so I was on meds for my depression. I took them in the morning and the evening. The side effects, not entirely unheard of with other meds. A little dry mouth, some spacing out sometimes. A little forgetfullness on occasion. Like with most meds it took a bit of experimenting to see what the best dose was for me to be on. It took a bit of lifestyle adjusting once I accepted taking my meds everyday. The effects were strong until I had leveled out for awhile and become use to it.

There was no violence urges or suicidality or brain disturbances when I started on those meds, nor was there any problems with withdrawal.

I had a harder time quitting smoking cigarettes than WDing from this med.

It was quite effective in relieving my daily depression and it left me without the will or desire to self injure or hurt myself. It amplified my creativity and did not crush it into the ground like other meds I had tried.

Of course the medication I took for so long is cannabis.

I guess things have changed quite a bit now.

You can get your anti depressants from teenagers at school. Alternately you can take your cannabis prescription and go to a well lit licensed cannabis dispensary run by professionals listed in the phone book. In California, we even pay sales tax on it.

Some folks threw out their papers and pipes after college but it works just fine as a bottled beverage, a carrot cake or muffin. No need to endanger the lungs.

If you really have to have the pill and bottle versions to feel comfortable with drug use, you can ask for Marinol.

Studies have proven that cannabis consumption will not kill or cause death.

I had no problems tolerating even high doses of that med for when I was in distress.

Overall I was quite satisfied with it and if I had depression again, I might consider going back on that med.

;)

Sara wrote:
"...Where is your proof, the petition on on a UK Government server -

show us your proof !!!"

Do you approve of the "steaming" that Truthman has just brought to your attention (that's a general question, not just for Sara)?

Matt

Well Morse-Bryce-Saraxxx-Tuesday-Jeremy

It seems that you have more aliases than we thought..
It is obvious that it was you or someone connected to you who ruined the petitions..
By doing that you are hindering the whole SSRI awareness cause...
We are all well aware that it is a drug class (SSRI) problem, but those petitions in particular were about Seroxat..
There are other petitions and sites about other drugs ..
Why don't you set up your own blog and your own petition instead of attempting to hijack others?
Are you a seeker of justice for all SSRI survivors or are you just an angry man with a chip on your shoulder the size of the giants causeway?

@ Posted by: Matthew Holford at May 27, 2008 04:43 AM

Matthew Holford wrote -

"""

Sara wrote:
"...Where is your proof, the petition on on a UK Government server -

show us your proof !!!"

Do you approve of the "steaming" that Truthman has just brought to your attention (that's a general question, not just for Sara)?

Matt """

So it is reasonable to conclude that you have NO PROOF

Sara XXX

"""Well Morse-Bryce-Saraxxx-Tuesday-Jeremy

It seems that you have more aliases than we thought..
It is obvious that it was you or someone connected to you who ruined the petitions..
By doing that you are hindering the whole SSRI awareness cause..."""

Obvious to who?

""" We are all well aware that it is a drug class (SSRI) problem """

I posted a link to a pettition relating to all SSRI/SNRI's & I note that none of you lot signed it.

Here it is again -

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SS-SNRI-Anomaly/

I note the creator's name given as Mardi Bennett.

Sara xxx

Obvious to me Jeremy (and anyone else with half a brain)

And anyhow, I am not resident in the UK nor from the UK, so I cannot sign any of the petitions, but if i could I certainly wouldn't desecrate them for a petty grudge or agenda like you did..

Just ignore him. He posts the same drivel on his own message boards and the three or four members alive in there ignore him.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/messages

Fid

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uksurvivors/

messages Jan 2008 = 1054

Fiddaman & Scott's group

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/seroxat/

messages Jan 2008 = 24

Sara xxx

& for the record Jeremy Bryce is neither the list owner or moderator of UK Survivors & never has been.

There are some good messages on other yahoo groups on SSRI.

Since this post became copy/paste from Yahoo groups it's more profitable to copy good data from other groups than copying administrative messages that all groups have and are all similar.
That's a bore!

I also want to remember that there are many petitions to be signed.

The Prozac petition has been destroyed with lots of signatures like these:

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18594. cheap viagra "cheap viagra order cheap viagra (ZIP) Washington USA
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http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?lilpro&1

Sara,
Stop being lazy!
It only takes two minutes to open a blog!
I have found a name for the Blog:

SUGGATE

Now it's easier. Don't try the username "Sara" for it obviously has already been taken.

Go with Sara200868945260982467829038 and you will succeed.

Good luck with your Blog!
Find a nice photo to put on the header!
I'll be commenting on SUGGATE.

I believe that Philip is afraid of the competition and that's the reason he doesn't ban you. The second reason is because he's a gentleman.
And you even haven't noticed that Sara!
You should at least thank him.

See you later!
You will not open the blog, I know, I know!
LOL

Neurotransmitters are not well known:

A considerable number of chemical substances are believed to act as neurotransmitters, but the identification of only a few have been widely accepted. Among these, the earliest to be discovered was acetylcholine, which was first broadly recognized as a neurotransmitter in the 1920s largely due to the work of Austrian researcher Otto Loewi, who produced direct evidence of a sympathetic neurotransmitter by stimulating the autonomic nerves of a frog heart, resulting in the release of a chemical that decreased the beat rate of a second heart suffused with fluids from the other organ. Loewi's achievement was largely inspired by the earlier efforts of British physiologist Henry Dale, and a number of other scientists are also believed to have contributed significantly towards the modern understanding of neurotransmitters. Gaining knowledge about neurotransmitters has been a relatively slow, difficult process, however. Many of the early concepts regarding the chemicals have since been proven wrong. For instance, Dale purported that a neurotransmitter released at one axon terminal of a neuron was also released at other axon terminals of the same cell, though subsequent studies suggest that this is not necessarily the case. Nevertheless, over time a serviceable amount of knowledge about neurotransmitters has been accumulated, some of the most heavily researched of the chemicals being serotonin, dopamine, epinephrine, and norepinephrine.

http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/micro/gallery/neurotrans/neurotrans.html

There are other neurotransmitters to be discovered and all is known about these four is still not proven exact.

:o)

Your turn Sara!!!!!!!!
Sorry to interrupt!

Other addictive drugs also influence the circuit linking the VTA, nucleus accumbens, and frontal cortex. This circuit is rich in neurochemicals, regulating its normal activities via numerous neurotransmitters and their receptors. Its normal neurotransmitters include those targeted by major classes of addictive drugs, including opioids (heroin, morphine, and their relatives), sedatives (alcohol, barbiturates, and benzodiazepines), and nicotine. The working hypothesis described above has been expanded to suggest that these drugs exert addictive actions by regulating the release of dopamine in the circuit, often by complex interlocking mechanisms.

Wow!
Now that benzodiazepines are cheap they are considered addictive and are in the hall of "bad" drugs!

Let's wait 20 years!

Sorry again!

Go on girls!!!!

Dear Ana

see -

http://www.furiousseasons.com/about.html

"COMMENTS

I moderate comments. Anyone who in any way derides someone else’s illness and hectors them into irrational behavior will have their comment removed. Next, they will be banned from the site. Everything else goes"

As the Blog owner very kindly says "Everything else goes"

Sara XXX

I'm sorry that you are troubled by my dissenting positions on certain topics.

I do like the name SUGGATE & if I recall correctly there is a blog on the net somewhere featuring photographs of Fiddaman going walkies in Singapore & Australia.

How is Donna by the way Bob ?

I've come to the conclusion that Bryce gets a much bigger audience on here hence his inane posts. One only has to look at his rantings on survivors, they take up the majority of the figure he quoted above... thing is... nobody replies.

I see he has even joined another comment section on Phil's site now.

It's all about getting his voice heard.

Those of use brave enough to use our names start blogs. Bryce posts on a forum where a, nobody replies to him and b,there's only about 4 or 5 active members. The rest were probably all driven away by his incessant bollocks!

I like the title of your proposed blog Ana but Bryce will never take you up on the offer. He hasn't got the bottle.

Fid

Sara wrote:
"So it is reasonable to conclude that you have NO PROOF"

Proof of what, Sara? I was just throwing the subject matter open for general discussion - I was accusing neither you, nor Bryce. In any case, as you have already demonstrated so ably, yourself, this discussion has nothing whatsoever to do with offering up proof of anything.

Matt

Sara wrote:
"...As the Blog owner very kindly says "Everything else goes...""

That's a dangerous game of brinksmanship, when one is not sure as to whether one is out of one's depth, or not. I strongly recommend politeness, on the ground that there are people on here with knives more subtle than yours.

Matt

Sara,
Please! Don't go. Don't go
Don't go away.
Please! Don't go, Don't go
I want you to stay!
Please! Don't go!

The only problem is that I never heard about Jeremy, Bryce and all these people involved.
Don't even know about Sarah and the others.
Bob,
I'll search for Bryce's blog!
Haven't you see Sara calling us "anti-psychiatrists" in another post?
She still uses "third-world countries". LOL
I have already told her that the world is no longer bipolar!

She hasn't "...read the news today, oh Boy!"

A Day In The Life
Lennon - Beatles

I read the news today oh boy
About a lucky man who made the grade
And though the news was rather sad
Well I just had to laugh
I saw the photograph
He blew his mind out in a car
He didn’t notice that the lights had changed
A crowd of people stood and stared
They’d seen his face before
Nobody was really sure
If he was from the House of Lords.
I saw a film today oh boy
The English Army had just won the war
A crowd of people turned away
But I just had to look
Having read the book.
I’d love to turn you on
Woke up, got out of bed,
Dragged a comb across my head
Found my way downstairs and drank a cup,
And looking up I noticed I was late.
Found my coat and grabbed my hat
Made the bus in seconds flat
Found my way upstairs and had a smoke,
And somebody spoke and I went into a dream
I heard the news today oh boy
Four thousand holes in Blackburn, Lancashire
And though the holes were rather small
They had to count them all
Now they know how many holes it takes
To fill the Albert Hall.
I’d love to turn you on.

My teenagers days!!!!
I'll have to stop coming to this post because "irrational behavior" comments can be banned.
But this is a beautiful lyric!

Jesus!
Sara is making history on blogsphere!

Melancholic Fury
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May 13, 2008
Food for thought
Posted by fallingleaf under Melancholic Fury, Reagency
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As hunger is cured by food, so ignorance is cured by study.
- Chinese proverb

"I encountered a comment made in another blog today that got my hackles up. The comment was made by someone posting as Sara, in response to an article in the Furious Seasons blog, titled GOP Swipes Effexor Marketing Slogan, an article in which the author points out an advertising commonality between the US Republican party and the Wyeth pharmaceutical company. The very first comment to the article, in a half-cocked attempt to insult President Bush, his wife, and Hillary Clinton, assigns blame for “every idiotic, bizarre bit of behavior” on psychiatric medications.

Ignoring a desire to follow Sara’s line of reasoning to its logical conclusion and ask her what medication explains the idiocy of her comment, I have to wonder what goes through someone’s mind when posting something like that in a blog focused on mental health issues? People who are taking “psych drugs” are doing so in an attempt to eliminate the kinds of bizarre behaviors that make most people uncomfortable with us, and endanger us. We often endure hellacious side effects, and sometimes it seems like every single pill is just another reminder of individual malfunction … but each dosage taken is also an affirmation that we are working on our problems.

Taking these medications does not make an idiot of any of us, Sara; but in my opinion, your expressed inability to understand that makes you, and others like you, an ignoramus.
http://fallingleaf.wordpress.com/category/melancholic-fury/

I've called her "stupid" and she didn't like!
What about it now Sara?

I believe it's becoming more and more obvious that you're ignorant!
It was not me who said it this time!

And I start to rethink what irrationality really means after reading this:

"Sara’s line of reasoning to its logical conclusion and ask her what medication explains the idiocy of her comment, I have to wonder what goes through someone’s mind when posting something like that in a blog focused on mental health issues?"

hi this thread is now closed at my discretion. sara xxx was simply getting out of hand. sorry about that folks.