April 15, 2008The Long Hello: Coming Of Age In Prozac NationRichard Friedman, a Cornell psychiatrist, opines in the New York Times about patients who've been on anti-depressants since their teens and what they bump into once they climb into adulthood--all kinds of identity questions since they have little psychological development absent a diagnosis and medications--and how medicine hasn't really tackled some of the key questions around long-term anti-depressant use. Anyway, one of his patients pressed the subject into Friedman's forebrain: "It was not an issue I had seriously considered before. Most of my patients, who are adults, developed their psychiatric problems after they had a pretty clear idea of who they were as individuals. During treatment, most of them could tell me whether they were back to their normal baseline. I was fairly rough on Friedman over an earlier opinion piece a few months ago, but I am going to be more charitable this time out. He's asking the right questions, regardless of how I feel about his answers. I hope that readers won't be interested in nitpicking him to death, but will instead focus on the larger issues. We're 20 years into the psychopharmacological party in America, and Gen X and Gen Y are the ones growing up with voodoo in their veins and brains. Regardless of your views of diagnoses and meds, we need to have a big old sociocultural reckoning on these matters. What are we setting people up for in terms of their human development and their core identities if they've spent most of their lives on anti-depressants (or mood stabilizers or antipsychotics)? What's normal human development in abnormal psychology? What's their sex life going to be like if they've hardly ever been horny due to taking anti-depressants? How do you "know thyself" when your self has been partially shaped by the fine folks at Eli Lilly and GlaxoSmithKline? And so on. Friedman admits he doesn't have the answers--no one does at this point--and he's a whole lot sunnier about the long-term use of psych meds than I'd ever be: "We know a lot about the course of untreated depression, probably more than we do about very long-term antidepressant use in this population. We know, for example, that depression in young people is a very serious problem; suicide is the third-leading cause of death in adolescents, not to mention the untold suffering and impaired functioning this disease exacts. I wouldn't consider the risk of suicide and suicidality, on or off-meds, to be the only worrying metric for doctors and patients to consider, or by which to evaluate long-term risks and benefits. What about brain development? Sexuality? Reproductive organ damage? Drug dependence? Long-term akathesia? Kidney and liver damage? Diabetes? Muscle rigidity? We already know that antipsychotics cause brain shrinkage in non human primate studies, so we do need to take a serious look at that in our human populations or we are doing them a gross disservice. It'd make sense to be just as concerned about anti-depressants and the whole shooting gallery of psych meds, especially since we are starting children on them at much younger ages than we even did in the 1990s. Friedman blames the lack of answers on how psych meds are tested and approved and used in our culture--short term scientific trials for approval and barely-tested long-term use in a culture that demands that these medications be used for life. I don't think it's just the culture of FDA approval that's at fault. I think doctors have been lazy about asking these questions and I think patients are just as much to blame. Too often doctors and patients accept short-term clinical success for long-term prospects. We need to face facts: We've been conducting the largest behavioral and medical experiment in human history right here on Spaceship America (and Spaceship Britain) over the last 20 years, and few have bothered to ask the questions that needed asking. I give Friedman props for opening his mouth. One place where I'd criticize Friedman's piece, however: "What do I say to a depressed patient who is doing well after five years on such a drug but can’t stop without a depressive relapse and who wants reassurance that the drug has no long-term adverse effects?" He doesn't even nod his head to the possibility that the depressive relapse might have little to do with depression and quite possibly everything to do with the medication. I know of too many cases of people who've been on Prozac since its introduction in 1987 (there is data showing that over 500,000 Americans have been on anti-depressants for over 15 years, but I cannot locate it at the moment) and cannot get off the drug because they've developed a physical need for its "chemical balance" and simply lose all their energy and human oomph when they try going off it. This is a known phenomenon and if doctors cannot appreciate its dynamics and its pressing cultural importance, then us patients are going to have to shove it in their faces. (For further reading: the wonderful Bipolar Blast blog is an ongoing account of one brave woman's attempt to get off all medications after being on them for longer than I was. And that's a long time.) My own thinking on these issues is far from complete, just like my own off-meds experiment (a doctor approved experiment I'll add for newbies) which is now at almost nine months. I'm in no position to state whether I think what I am learning is of any use to anyone else. But I do think it's a legitimate idea that for anyone who the medical paradigm of mental health argues should be on psych meds for years and years then there should be some kind of off-meds trial built into our treatment algorithms and practice guidelines and doctors should be encouraged to help patients find out what makes them tick underneath the medicated self. The one thing I've learned in my nine-month adventure is that I have a level of freedom now that I cannot put into words. But whatever you'd call it, it's certainly built on the freedom to succeed and fail as a human being and as a human self. I kind of like that. Posted by Philip Dawdy at April 15, 2008 12:07 AM
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The larger issue is "how much does she weigh" and have her blood glucose levels been measured yet. On www.SSRIstories.com there is a Journal Article that states that people on antidepressnts are at an increased risk for diabetes. Go to the Index, scroll down past the 29 school shootings and the 17 cases that were "won" by jury or judge and there you will find abou 30 Journal Articles. It is the Journal Article listed for March 13, 2008. Posted by: Rosie at April 15, 2008 09:52 AMInteresting comments, Philip. I agree with the basic point: I'm certain the possible consequences of growing up on psych meds on personal identity (and of course the body) are profound. But just to put things in perspective, so are the effects of battling terrible mood swings; so is the impact of being brought up in a repressive religious environment - one of the oldest, and still most powerful, mechanisms of behavioral modification and identity formation there is. I would also beware of calling this "the largest medical and behavioral experiment in human history." On the medical side, I think a better candidate would be the spread of bloodletting and the theory of humors, which came to dominate medical theory and practice without any scientific controls as we know them, with massive and deadly consequences over 1500+ years. And the single largest behavioral experiment of all time? That would be the rise of Christianity. Posted by: Garth at April 15, 2008 09:59 AMI do think it's good Friedman is considering the effect that drugging kids will have on them in the long run. I will not nitpick though I could but when I read this piece in the NYT I thought, "it's about time." And it is, better late than never I suppose. One thing he mentioned in the article was suicide being a leading cause of death in teens. Suicide is a tragedy that should be prevented and yet saying teen suicide is a leading cause of teen death is a bit misleading for this reason, teens are generally very healthy because they are young. The death rate among teens is much lower than the death rate among adults - of course once you get to the age at which boys fight wars, the death rate goes up, still teens just aren't expected to die of heart failure at a rate that centurions do. Posted by: Sally at April 15, 2008 10:38 AMDoes anybody know about a web page for depressed people who are trying not to take any more medication? I have nothing against people who are on them, but I need to feel supported. sophia, you may want to take a look at paxil progress, paxilprogress.org. Posted by: Philip Dawdy at April 15, 2008 11:07 AM"The one thing I've learned in my nine-month adventure is that I have a level of freedom now that I cannot put into words. But whatever you'd call it, it's certainly built on the freedom to succeed and fail as a human being and as a human self. I kind of like that." We're on two different pages. I'm now scared to know who Marissa is without Lamictal. Even worse, I'm more afraid that there'd be no Marissa without the drug. I'm still trudging my way through this whole thing. Posted by: Marissa Miller at April 15, 2008 07:35 PMExcellent points Phillip!!!! All points I have worked for almost two decades to make quite clear about these drugs and all of them are extremely important. It absolutely amazes me that they continue to ignore the toxic effects of these drugs upon the body! A couple of other points not addressed though is widespread divorce and widespread Bipolar Disorder that have resulted in the corresponding widespread use of these drugs. We have studies showing at onset of use of an antidepressant the sudden loss of loving and caring feelings for one's mate, even after a 40 year good marriage. I firmly believe that comes from the anesthetic effect of antidepressants which produces severe memory loss. It is not just marriage relationships that are falling apart from the use of antidepressants, but all relationships are at risk for antidepressant/atypical antipsychotic patients. No one mentioned the fact that "amnesia" is listed as a "frequent" side effect of nearly all SSRI antidepressants. If you cannot even remember who you are how can you form an identity or maintain a relationship? The process of forming an identity requires memory as does maintaining a loving and caring relationship of any kind. This effect is destroying the very core of our society. The fact remains that world still knows little to nothing about these deadly drugs, how they work, or the long-term adverse effects. Ann Blake Tracy, Ph.D., Executive Director, These are all ideas I'm picking through in my own life, since I was diagnosed/medicated at 20, when still had a lot of development left to do. Ten years hence, 1 1/2 years off meds completely (after a 3+ year withdrawal), I still don't have it figured out. Many aspects of my early adult psychological development completely stalled out while I was on meds. While I agree with many here that the drugs themselves did damage, I also think that believing so completely that I was sick, and thus unable (and not obligated) to get my act together, may have more to do with the long term effects that I'm sorting through now. The difficulties here can only be magnified with an earlier diagnosis. And that doesn't even count truly practical issues, like that these kids aren't going to be able to purchase private health or life insurance when they grow up. Nice to see this getting a bit of press, if in a somewhat watered down form. Posted by: tilting at windmills at April 16, 2008 09:09 AMThis is a really good article. It is a much deserved freedom that you have, and I am glad that you have it, and at such a high price, yet you give others hope. Posted by: Stephany at April 16, 2008 07:42 PMPost a comment
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