Not trying to get on your case at all but I am not sure your tapering process was all that slow! The recommendation is 10% cut at a time and wait 2-3 weeks before the next cut. I think guys especially seem to err on the side of going too fast and also docs generally do not have a clue about this so if you got advice from a doctor it doesn't really count I'm sorry to say. You've been on stuff for a long time and 6 weeks sounds bloody fast to me for getting off something for good. I hope this doesn't come back to bite you later. Take it easy and look after yourself.

I had to abruptly discontinue lamictal a few weeks ago after breaking out in the dreaded (and rumored) "lamictal rash." I've been feeling very unfocused, and of course a bit manic due to the lack of drugs... Anyhow, I've a bit annoyed at the whole experience and feel like I'm just another lab rat for the big pharma companies....

The fatigue was an enormous problem with my removal of Seroquel, and time seemed to lose concept, days would pass and it was difficult to focus. I am no expert but believe the brain has to re-train itself so to speak to live free of a medication that had influenced it in a sense. Over the next 18 months clarity will happen.
Good luck, and I am sure Gianna's Bipolar Blast has a lot of information about the fatigue.

yes philip....fatigue insane fatigue--triggered by my lamictal withdrawal. but my withdrawal is complicated by other drugs in the mix. I went off of 200 of 400 mg of Lamictal over a 3 month period and it's been the worst withdrawal so far. Worse than zoloft and worse than Risperdal--though I still have a bit of Risperdal to go.

I only do one at a time, but sometimes I switch, which I've decided not to do anymore.

However, I'm waiting for the last 200mg of Lamictal until the end. I don't want to go through that again for a while.

good luck...eat healthy and get lots of rest and exercise if possible.

I had the same issues coming off Lamictal on a similar schedule, they were brief and did not reoccur.

Am back on them now.

Lamictal withdrawal was by far my easiest, but I did it over about 5 months and stopped after every drop in dose until I felt no ill effects. From what I recall, withdrawal symptoms took the form irritability and difficulty concentrating, but I don't remember any extreme fatigue. Withdrawal was not long-lasting compared to zyprexa or a benzo, so hopefully you're on the mend (though clearly experiences vary widely).

Hey, Philip. I just wanted to echo Gianna's advice above and stress the importance of lots of sleep, good food and regular exercise. Hang in there! (And good for you for recognizing your symptoms for what they are -- drug withdrawal. Most shrinks would claim your mental illness is returning.)

I can't recall being on Lamictal but, after a showdown with a doctor, I was cut off Seroquel, Lithium, Prozac, Risperdal and Ativan all at once. Within 24 hours I was psychotic but, by the end of the week, I had stabilized. These are all powerful drugs (Lamictal, too) and the body needs a chance to recover from them.

Hey Doll-
I don't know if you remember but I went off the same style you did in the winter of 2005. I felt fine for about a month, really did not have a lot of side effects other then the massive fatique but then I started feeling "off." I was not episodic per se but I realized I felt better while I was on the medication.

I felt like it kept my constant underlying anxiety in check and made me sleep better.

Now, I have been increasing the dose due to the current stressors in my life and feeling the med increase side effects. I haven't done a med change in a while and God it sucks. My heart goes out to anyone currently involved in a med switch or anyone who has, done or will go through one ( I guess that means everyone!)

I hope you feel better soon!!!!

I haven't been on Lamictal, but I can attest to experiencing exactly what you've described: the feeling of not being able to hold on to a thought when I was on and tapered myself off of both Lexapro and Wellbutrin.

I am really worried about my step-mother. She took herself off abruptly 100mg of Lamictal. We are not sure when, probably 3 weeks ago. We had to admit her into hospital - delusions, paranoia, hypomania, loss of inhibition, almost appearing to have multiple personalities. She was daginosed bipolar after kidney cancer surgery 3 years ago. Lamictal was the only drug she was taking. She is refusing to take medication now, we are killing her - Any thoughts?

hi guys... i guess you know it's a bad sign when you google "lamictal withdrawal" and the first page you get is not full of medhelp.org and battledepression.com, or any "medical" analysis whatsoever for that matter, but instead a long list of user horror stories and average people trying to figure out what the fuck is going on with this drug. excuse my language, but the fuck is going on with this drug?
someone please hear me out. i went on lamictal for bipolar in november. in december i decided to cheat on my boyfriend of five years and break up with him. my doctor thought i should increase my dose to solve spontaneous irrational and self destructive behavior. my mood shot up alright, then down, then up again, then down. long story short i ended up worse than i've ever been and by miracle did i graduate this spring. now i want off it and done with the business, so i started decreasing the dosages slowly. i saw a new doctor and asked for him to write a lower prescription, but he declined my offer (imagine). anyway, i felt fine for about the first month. i was at 200 and am now down to 50. this last drop of 25 mg took place about two weeks ago, and i've honestly never felt so literally suicidal in my life. i'm afraid, honestly. it's so low, i mean so so low. is this me or is this withdrawal? does anyone know of extreme depression/ scuicidal tendency as being a symptom of lamictal withdrawal? i'm on a number of other meds also, which i'm not messing with. please- advise? is this going to pass? (fyi my bf took me back so that's got nothing to do with the depression)

Stasia, cheating on your boyfriend is not a symptom of a psychiatric disorder. It's pretty much a normal human flaw. It sounds like you were a normal person until you got on these drugs. It sounds like it might be a good idea for you to find a doctor to help you get off of these drugs. They are dangerous. Of course graudating and ending a relationship, while normal experiences, are also stressful. This doesn't mean your brain is biologically defective or unbalanced. I wish you the best.

Stasia, If you are on a number of other meds too, then you could well be having new effects from them as you withdraw the Lamictal. In any case as long as you are on a cocktail of drugs most symptoms you experience are probably adverse effects of one or another drug due to dependency, withdrawal, or tolerance. The real "you" is in there somewhere but until you give yourself a chance by coming off drugs in a well considered and very careful manner you won't really know. Good Luck.

Are you are withdrawing without your doctor's knowledge then? Was this because you didn't trust your doctor to walk through the withdrawal process with you? I'm just trying to figure out what's going on.
If you want to taper or change medications you're allowed to, I've been there much, under the close watch of my psychiatrist, who believed what I told him about the effects and respected my wishes.

I guess this didn't happen for you and you're stuck feeling like crap with no doctor in your corner. But there are always options; psychologists are also mental health experts, and generally well equipped to deal with people in the kind of crises you describe.

You have to start somewhere. What is the first thing you can do?

Stasia,
Yes, I experience intense depression with a decrease in dose of lamictal. Even from 50 mg to 37.5 mg. Then from 37.5 to 25mg. It took about a week for the depression to subside. The second day of one of my decreases in dose I totalled my car. I'm only on 12.5 mg now and have just stayed on it b/c I don't want to go through the withdrawal. I had very suicidal tendencies going up in dose and decreasing in dose.

Lamictal was the medication I was taking when I was first advised to go into inpatient hospitalization b/c of suicidal thoughts increasing and that was when I was coming down from 50 mg to 37.5mg. I hadn't been on 50mg for more than a week until I noticed that I was becoming increasingly suicidal. The mixed manic state which ended me in the hospital, I now recognize as Lamictal induced.

I also experience intense irritability upon decrease in dose and any dose above 37.5 mg turns into outbursts of rage which I've only heard of from one other person.

You're not alone.
Melissa
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email anytime.

RE; outbursts of rage during dose reduction, along with irritability, that happened to my daughter withdrawing from Zyprexa. It was so predictable that she marked it on a calendar, and noted that "Day 3 or 4" was the worst, and it helped her understand it was the med removal and not her creating the rage/etc.Charting the withdrawals helps.[with any med]

My doc was supossed to call in a refill of 100 mg of Lamictal for me last week. I was on 150 mg. It never got called in and the holiday weekend is now upon me. I've missed Friday night through tonight (Monday) and I feel like complete crap. I normally love Lamictal - without it I am unstable. I take it with Tegretol (200 mg) which works on the mania. I heard that Lamictal works from the bottom up (tackles the depression first) & Tegretol/Lithium/Depakote from the top down (tackles the mania first) so its not surprising a lot of us experience extreme depression stopping the Lamictal - especially suddenely like I did. I'm not suicidal but I came close this weekend. I absolutely loathed myself. Since going on psych meds last year I went from my perfect weight of 125 lbs to a not so perfect 165 lbs (I actually did gain some from quitting smoking - one positive, I guess). Anyhow, this weekend, I hated myself so much for gaining so much weight and now having no clothes to wear. Plus everything else in life seemed so doomed. ALSO - and this is what I mostly want to hear about is the JOINT ACHES. Has anyone gotten them??? I feel like I developed arthritis over the weekend. I have my wrists wrapped and keep putting Tiger Balm all over. My knees, back, neck, wrists, thumbs, ankles, etc. hurt like hell. I can't even play Zelda. Life sucks. I can't wait to get back to my doctor tomorrow for meds. And I'll probably have to titrate again. Sucks to be me!!!

I stopped taking Lamictal suddenly at the end of August. I was on 300mgs. Am also taking Prozac 20mgs and diazepam 2mgs twice a day,prozac once in the am. I am now feeling terrible feeling weak rapid pulse unable to go out,feeling faint. Should I start taking it again? Off sick from work. Please advice. My e-mail is lynch196@btinternet.com

I started taking Prozac 20mg for treatment of depression brought on by the beginning of Menopause 4 years ago. Prozac killed my sex drive (which my new husband was not real thrilled about), so I tried switching to Zoloft. That gave me headaches AND didn't work, so I switched to Wellbutrin 300mg which has been helping reduce the depression since January 2007. However, I've been feeling agitated for the past 5-6 months and went to see a psychiatrist to talk about options for treating my agitation. She put me on Lamictal 25mg, which I took for 12 days and then quit because of the many side effects; headaches, body aches, joint pain, burning eyes, creepy crawly skin, dry flaky skin on eyebrows (?), swollen tongue, sore & swollen gums, etc.

I called the psych to tell her that I quit taking Lamictal and she said it was good that I did because the side effects I described showed her that I was severely allergic to the drug. While researching Lamictal Side Effects on the internet (to help me identify MY side effects), I read several times that taking too high a dose of Wellbutrin can cause agitation. I asked the psych about that and she said it's true and for me to come in to talk about reducing my dosage to 150mg. I was furious! Why didn't she mention reducing my Wellbutrin before putting me on a different drug? I did not go in to talk to her, but instead decided to cut my Wellbutrin pills in half and dose myself that way for a period of time to see what would happen.

I've been on 150mg of Wellbutrin for 6 days now and I have no signs of depression. More importantly at this point - my agitation has decreased to almost nothing! I am now left with the unpleasant task of going through withdrawal from Lamictal. I still have headaches every day, muscle aches, joint pain, lethargy and dizziness - all from taking 25mg for just 12 days. From what I read, side effects from Lamictal can show up as much as 2 years after one stops taking the drug. It's inconceivable to me that Lamictal made it past clinical testing and got approved for human use.

I have been taking 150mg Lamictal for almost two years. My husband and I have decided to get pregnant so I am tapering myself off...I just moved to a new town and don't have a new psych yet but will go as soon as insurance kicks in...I dropped down to 100mg since last week and feel okay so far. There are other issues going in my life so I hope I can handle the stress of these things without Lamictal. I was put on it because I have Major Depression Disorder with moderate to severe mood swings. I have looked online about Lamictal and pregnancy and was underwhelmed with the research done thus far by the medical community. Unbelievable that more studies have not been done before putting this drug on the market. The most I found was that Lamictal may or may not cause a cleft pallete and it is better to be safe than sorry while being pregnant. I'm also on Zoloft and learned it is better to stay on it than go off it while pregnant because the depression would be worse than any possible effects to the baby. Does anyone have any comments? Thanks...

Another question....I have been ravenous since reducing my Lamictal dosage. Is this normal???

Re: Pregnancy and psych meds, and Wellbutrin.

Here is a link to Zoloft information, and this is a good site to check for details regarding Wellbutrin[causing agitation IS a listed side effect].

Rx List dot com

Hi,

I found this page through a search engine and thought I would put my two cents in concerning Lamictal withdrawal.



I have been on Lamictal for about two years, and so far, it is working pretty well for the treatment of my bi-polar disorder.



The problem I have had is, due to my economic situation, I was put in the position where I was unable to afford to refill my prescriptions on time and I would end up off my meds for up to 9-10 days, even after cutting my pills to keep at least some of the drug in my system.



I notice the symptoms about 2-3 days in, with them peaking anywhere from day 3-5. The physical symptoms didn't bother me too much, some drowsiness, feeling kind of flat, some confusion, feeling kind of muddled, and some head aches - - - it was the emotional/mental side effects that really got to me.

I would have (to put it mildly) some intense mood swings, ranging anywhere from extreme irritability to more or less a violent rage. The first time it happened (I've gone through it 3 times in the past 2 years) I just couldn't understand why I was SO angry, I wanted to hurt things, to scream, to explode. Apparently, it's not too uncommon for this to happen. It doesn't happen to everyone, but it is possible.



The GOOD NEWS is by the end of the first week, you are through the woods and shouldn't have to worry about it much.



Best wishes to everyone - Jeannie

I recenly had to go off Lamictal for a seizure study. The drug had been effective in controlling my seizures.

I was taken off suddenly. Within 1/2 day I felt just like it feels to go off Effexor: brain zaps, headaches (bad), and dizziness so bad that I couldn't sit or stand up. I was feeling a little "on edge".

After another 2 days I begged to go back on the medicine. It took a day and a half to start to feel better again.

The doc said that the Lamictal must be treating bipolar disorder. I've never had a manic episode in my life.

Anybody had this type of reaction?

To Lynn...
You might want to check out this website... there is a lot of information about antidepressants and pregnancy:

http://www.laleva.org/mt/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=3&search=antidepressants+pregnancy.

At some point it became a sin to feel anything in this country. I'm over it. I am taking my feelings back.

More withdrawal symptoms....as I mentioned above, I am TRYING to come off of Lamictal and have decreased my dosage a little at a time. I have been taking 75mg, down from 150, then 100, for the past two weeks and tried going down to 50mg over the weekend. I became incredibly moody, impatient, and hostile towards my husband and felt completely out of control. Yesterday I popped another 25mg in the afternoon when I felt the rage building and it seemed to calm me down. Should I wait a little while before I try reducing to 50mg again or do you think this will pass in a few days? I got so depressed thinking that I can't get off this drug without turning into a bitch...we really want a baby and in order to do so, I've got to get off this medication. I'm scared and hate to think I'm really this moody without medication!

Lynne, Are you in a situation where you could try some sort of talk therapy to help deal with the withdrawal symptoms? Have you checked for support groups for this sort of thing in your area? Maybe Mothering Magazine's Bulletin Board? It seems like there would be a lot of women who are in your situation, i.e. trying to get off of psych drugs so they can get pregnant. Maybe a natural birthing center would have some suggestions. Good luck.

Sally, I'm waiting for my insurance to kick in Nov 1 and I'm going to make an appt with a local therapist. I also want to talk to an OB/GYN to discuss the necessity of getting off Zoloft. I'd like to get in a room with an OB, a psychiatrist, and a therapist so I can question all of them about what I should do! Think that'll happen? Thanks.

I had been on Lamictal for about 5 months, and I peeked at 200mg after about 1 month. I was on the medicine as a mood stabilizer, possibly from bi-polar disorder, but that hasn't been a definitive diagnosis. I asked my doctor if this is a med that I should be weaned off of, and he said that there was no need. So I was taken completely off of the medicine about 2 and a half weeks ago. About a week ago, I started to notice withdrawal symptoms that are synonymous with the symptoms that I experienced many times when coming off of anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medications. The depression, and anxiety have been worse, I feel the "brain buzzing" sensation in my head, restlessness, tiredness, and a will to just stay in bed. The suicidal and hopelessness thoughts have returned. I feel that this is due to the withdrawal and not because the Lamictal was helping me (it wasn't). I go see a therapist who also does energy work. It was 100% apparent that this medicine wasn't helping me, and was actually blocking energy. This wasn't the conclusion I expected, but when I was retested and retested, the same results appeared. I didn't notice any change positively or negatively while on the medicine, so my doctor and I decided that it would be best to come off of it. The withdrawal is the real problem here, and I'm just putting this out there to see if anyone has any advice. Thanks.

holy freaking crap, you guys. now i feel absolutely petrified to go off lamictal. i take 200 mg as a mood stabilizer for borderline personality disorder, but have completed a year of DBT and feel like an entirely different person. i truly, truly believe that the REAL me, not the medicated me, is stronger and capable of living a fantastic life.

being on medication has always scared me. my psychiatrist dropped off the face of the earth once he heard i wasn't seeing my therapist anymore. my regular physician told me to talk to my psychiatrist, as did my pharmacist. i was going to taper myself off...

i have two weeks' of medication yet, and from what i've read, if you cut down 50% each week, you'll be fine. do you think if i drink a LOT of water, it'll help flush it out of my system?

As a response to the above comment about someone being pregnant & on Lamictal. I was pregnant (I have a VERY healthy 5 mo. old), 2 months in I had a seizure.. I have a seizure disorder & Bi-Polar. I was on 200mg a day in the am. My neuro. upped the dose to 400mg (200 am/200pm) to compensate for my body working double time. We are just now tapering me back to my normal dose of 200 mg/day. The thing was that they didn't want me to have another seizure or have Manic swings as it would have been more dangerous to ther baby. I did see the Gyn more often than most & was also sent to a Prenatal specialist to keep tabs. Everything went very well. There is a study on Lamictal through the AED Registry online. I was on this study throughout my pregnancy and they now have permission from me to check up on my daughter through her Pediatrician. I would suggest signing up for the study online (as it could benefit all of us later) - the woman told me the study should be completed next year or so & they will keep me abreastof their findings (they also post it on the site). I had a choice to breastfeed as well because they didn''t know at the time (5 mo. ago) whether itwould be good or bad & have now found out it is not safe to breastfeed on Lamictal. I guess I made the right choice formula-feeding (just an instict & didn't want to chance it). Hoe this helps! ~ Lori

Lori - thanks for sharing. I finally have gotten down to 25mg a day and have been doing okay for the past two weeks on this dosage...well, except for the few mood swings I've had recently...which I have attributed to buying and beginning to renovate a house last week. Since I am not taking Lamictal for seizures, I think it is best for me to come off of it while I'm pregnant (hopefully soon). I am anxiously awaiting my new medical cards so I can meet with an OB/Gyn to discuss the possible effects of Zoloft and to go back to talk therapy to help me get through all this. Thanks for sharing!

Hi Phil, I'm just popping in here in the middle of everything, not having read everyone's entries except yours which was posted in July. I've been on Lamictal for several years and I swear by it. It's kept me out of the paralysis of depression. How has it been for you since you came off of it? Have you found anything better? Hope all is well, especially around this time of the year. kristen

Hi everyone. My husband Tim came down with what he thought was the Dreaded Deadly Lamictal Rash so he stopped taking it. The psych says that's OK and gave him a scrip for Abilify to take in a month after the Lamictal is out of his system. Anyone take that and have comments?
Now all he wants to do is sleep all day (he can't find work here in Wisconsin)and it's driving me up the wall. He aches and has headaches and doesn't want to take the supplements I offer him like glucosamine and chondroitin for his achy knees. It's not easy living with him like this.
elyn

elyn,
I have a question re: the diagnoses the doc is treating him for? Lamictal is an anti convulsant, and Abilify is an anti psychotic. It's also common to get benign rashes, that are not the SJS rash. I take Lamictal and had a few major hive rashes break out, and never stopped taking it. Good luck.

elyn, the reaction your husband had was an allergic reaction it is calledStevens-Johnson Syndrome.. his tongue could swell so much he can suffocate to death read up on this stuff.. he will feel down and out, please have him see a shrink that is highly recommended and support him cause it's thes damn drugs that get to us.. Ass far as Abilify your damned if you take it and damned if you do not... Good to use it then stay on it does give energy and motivation..somethin he does not have now cause of the deadly reaction he had to lamictal...

Good luck your lucky he is still alive

anyone and everyone I go to a va for memtal health meds and I was on lamictal and the doc said we don't carry that any more for bipolar so we have to change you to lithium,,,,,,he gives me blood levels.....2 mos. into treatment Im feakin' out i mean i can't talk cant think cant sleep and he tells me to increase by 600 mg 2 caps at nnite..ok.. i start amd 3 days later my husband says i can't understand a word you are saying.... well I call the doc and my husband talks to himthey tellhim to get me inthere asap well according tothem i'mfine ..according to med books if you have diaharrea you are o-ding well for 3 days nosleep, no talk, no tv, no nothing..iquit taking it.. started on lamictal now i'm afraid of it causee that steven-johnson syndrome...i want to get off and am omly on 100 mg per day...hell with the bipolar it's these drugs that drive you nuts. any tips? ,outthere???

SJS is SO obvious, it is NOT a small rash. It is bloody blister welts, and quite apparent along with fever. MANY patients get "rashy" on Lamictal, and the fact is, you do not die instantly. The fear of this rash often results in ppl. being removed too hastily from a med that was working. Elyn did not state there was a trip to the ER or confirmation of the rash being SJS.

SJS rash info and photos.

Yes, it can kill a person, but quite often ppl. panic, when it wasn't necessary.

My bipolar II depression has been semi-controlled for years on 25mg Zoloft. My constant anxiety, irritability, and aggression continued. I had a nervous breakdown one year ago. I had wanted to see what would happen if I got off Zoloft (bad idea), and on top of that, I had unexpected personal stress. It forced me to try something that would actually treat the bipolar element of my depression. I am now on Lamictal 300mg and Zoloft 50mg. I can tell these doses are too high for the long run, but for now I know I'm better than I used to be. I also have rheumatoid arthritis, and can tell you the mental illness is far worse than the most excruciating pain I ever felt with RA. There are 2 things I can't stress enough: 1)you have a baseline; think back, and always measure yourself against that, and 2) find a doctor you COMPLETELY trust. Don't ever do it alone. Have a pshchologist, psychiatrist, and support groups. tackle it from different angles. Studies show meds, talk therapy, and socialization effect different parts of the brain.

I recently started taking lamitical for what the "professionals" were guessing was bi-polar II, but not confirmed. I have had anxiety for several years, but was always controlled with talk-therapy. I completed the starter pack of lamitical and then finished my last dose of 150mg's(one month). During this time, I had the worst nervous breakdown I have ever had in my life, I have felt more peranoid, nervous, and have been over reacting on a lot of issues. Because I have never acted out this bad, I decided to stop taking the lamitical. I was suppose to be starting the 200mg dose, but haven't taken one now in 6 days. (not to mention-I have had a rash on my leg for almost three weeks(very minor, but has just started itching/flaky looking, and a little sore) I know about the sjs, but have been watching it close. Since being off the lamitical for the 6 days, I have not had any symptons of withdrawl at all, in fact I feel less snappy about issues that should bother me. Also my rash is beginning to fade, but is still a little sore. How long does it take before lamitical is totally out of your system? Will I need any thing else for the rash or will it go away with the med is out completely? Thanks for anyones help/input.

I just cut my lamictal dosage in half for a few days because I couldnt get enough while I was on vacation and I was so absent minded and down...but get thisss I actually just stepped out with two different colored shoes on!!!

I have been taking lamictal at 400mg for about six months, and I noticed recently that I was beginning to gain weight. I am a runner and have never been overweight. Ever. The extra pounds are affecting me--physically and psychologically. I recently decreased my dose to 300mg over a span of two weeks, and I plan on reducing it further. So far, I have not experienced any withdrawal symptoms. If my mood worsens severely, I can always go back on the medication, right?

Does anyone ever get migraine-like headaches from Lamictal withdrawal?

nteresting blog. i googled lamictal and swollen tonue and Viola! there you where. while i find this al very serious, i cant help laughing at the predicaments oim always finding mysylf. my finds think im the life of te party just telling :everday" sara st
ories. it makes me laught too. wellsometimes!
well after being on MANY drugs it is hrd to say what causes what
(ps im snowed in and suppose tp be in partial hosp)
i have gained a boart full of lard around my guy. i went into the hosp a roomy size 6 and after 6 weeks i im now a size 10 (tightly)!!!!now if that doesnt make you want to dcry i dont nnow what will. for 45 i was loking good.
as for the lamactal i d be very cafeful about cutiing down before speaking to your doc, it can hace some very serious side effects.plus if you talk a comnbo like me you need t o b extra carfeu just imho~~~~~nice to meet ya'll , sara

Hey - started to take Limictal about a year ago and was compl. suicidal punhcing myself etc... My Dr. then added Prozac and I got a lot better. Prozac is probably the only psych. med I have taken that works.

My sleeping - if you want to call it that - continued to be a nightmare (I never wake up rested) so recently started tappering off Lamictal. I mean what had it done in the past anyway? I was at 100mg and over the past 2 months I am down to 50mg. I think overall I am less depressed at times, but I have insomnia sometimes now and when I do sleep I remember the most intense and disturbing dreams. Even if I take a nap it's one insane dream after another and always exhausted. anyone else??

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have been on lamictal for a few months, and it did not stabilize my bipolar II at all. still cycled into depression from hypomania. I really want to go off , as it seems to be serving no purpose, and side effects are for me weight gain and sleeping all of the time. I switched my dosage 300 mg to night time, but I sleep all day any way. I have provigil to take on the nights I have to work, but I generally sleep right through the provigal anyway. Yesterday I actually didn't bother to get out of bed at all except to go to the bathroom. I want to go back to topamax at least I know what to expect with that. Any comments would be welcome.

please read these articals. some of them pertain to me but not all of them. It's very important to me that you understand.
You need to know Eddie, that many people are antidepressents for one reason or another. Maybe having some information about the effects and withdrawl will help you to be a bit more understanding. If not for me maybe for someone else your with.

I am crying I am so happy, I love you guys for making this page. I was given lamactil for seizures, it slowed the seizures alright it also blew my head off with side affects, anxiety, tears, and "brain fog", and I swear the worst headache on the planet, the Dr said don't worry it will wear off and it didn't then became the long and downward swirl into pain killers, I used to think that what did I care seizure free was better than a headache pill,right ? then I started having all sorts of weird symptoms, not sleeping, broken alpha - waves, bowel problems, and I was miserible and was given valium for the misery. The anti depressants for that too. This month I decided I had had enough and took charge of my life, I was told to half my lamactil dose every 3 days. The shakes, shivers, and freak outs, today I woke up and for the first time my head is clear and my own. I feel very nervous and shaky, I am sleeping badly but my head no longer has that headache or the pain pills are out of my body. Never again will I let a Dr take charge of my body and let it run my life. Good Luck to you all.

The joint pain,arthritis, the fatigue, the sore jaw, loose teeth, and seizures are all Fibromyalgia. It's a terrible disease but yeah it's got its own label and drugs too.

First background: I'm a 56 yr. post menopausal woman. Last spring I went to my yearly OB-GYN check-up and indicated that I was feeling depressed and couldn't sleep. I was given the name of an APRN who I initially thought was a psych. counselor. After I mentioned that I was told that I was "probably bi-polar" she put me on a lamictal regiment (25 mg -> 100 mg) and 10 mg Ambien. After the 3rd appointment I discovered that all this lady did was prescribe drugs. She recommended another counselor to deal with the personal issues (who I still see) I continued the Lamictal/ambien and Lexapro was also added. The lexapro gave me the wicked munchies (I gained 10 lbs) and nervousness. I asked to replace the lexapro with cymbalta since I was having muscle aches and figured that the cymbalta is supposed to help with the "physical" symptoms of depression. While on the cymbalta my mood improved, but my muscle aches got so bad I could just about walk up the stairs. I started to decrease the daily dose of cymbalta to every other day and then went completely off of it with the blessing of the APRN. She said that I could try to use the lamictal alone as an antidepressant. I noticed that my weight seem to be coming down after discontinuing the cymbalta.

I decided to go off the lamictal "cold turkey" last weekend when while poking around the internet I discovered that taking the drug was the reason I went from a 36C to a 36DD bra size, and that it was likely contributing to my overall weight gain in a big way (no pun intended here) It may also explain the flu like symptoms I've been having, and severe muscle aches while I was on lamictal AND cymbalta (which CAUSED MORE PAIN than the depression ever did!) Last month when I discontinued the cymbalta I began to experience eyestrain, blurred vision and eye dryness. All these symptoms were exacerbated the first few days after quitting the lamictal, but as of this writing the eye burning/dryness seem to be diminishing (blurriness has not) I did note a deep dive in my mood--weepy, hopeless, etc. but I think that I suffer more from SADs, and just need to take charge of my own life. My mom passed away last August and her birthday was Feb. 3 so I'm sure that contributed to my meloncholy mood as well. And let's face it--in the NE February is the armpit of the year.... I thought that it was interesting that some individuals had vivid and not-so-pleasant dreams and/or sleeplessness while on lamictal. I have been taking 10mg ambien almost every night so I didn't notice this. However, when trying to wean myself off the ambien I did notice bizarre, black thoughts that had nothing to do with me (it was like a horror movie playing out in my mind)
I realize now that while on the lamictal I was physically clumsy (things would just fall out of my hand) and suffered from brain "fuzziness" and short term memory lapses. These have been more noticeable since quitting the drug, but thanks to this and other blogs and websites, I know that these are attributable to the drugs themselves and not to my psyche. This past week I had a wicked headache I attributed to the weather (I have sinus issues) and the worst bout of gas I've ever had with some mild diarrhea all week. The GOOD NEWS? I've lost 6.2 lbs without even trying....
So my question is this: has anyone else gone "cold turkey" off lamictal and how soon is it before you're back to "normal" (whatever that is...)

re: Chris, I have been on Lamictal for a year or so, and during that time I have fallen more than in my entire life. Bad falls, where the only way I can describe them, is "when I woke up I was on the parking lot, or floor". It started to make me question why didn't have a "oh I am falling" part of the fall.

Also, have pain in joints.That I never had before. Am eventually removing all Lamictal myself, I am only on 50mg currently. The stomach symptoms I had were horrific cold turkeying Seroquel,which sounds like what you are having. Good luck.

I am SO glad I saw this website. I have Bipolar I, have been on Lithium for 12 years now. Have been pretty stable on that (e.g. working fulltime for the past 8 years), however I have mild depression a lot of the time so my psychiatrist suggested Lamictal. I have been on Lamictal for 3 months now. Went up to 50mg but then had to go down to 25mg because I felt so anxious and agitated. Wasn't sure if it was the Lamictal or not so I stayed at 25mg for the past month. My mood is fairly ok at the moment, but I don't know if that is due to the Lamictal. I suspect that I would be feeling well anyway because I have had no major stresses lately. Next week I am due to go back to my psychiatrist so I googled Lamictal because I know I'll be discussing it with her. Now that I see all the side effects associated with it I am definitely going to tell her that I'm want OFF it. I only now realise that the all over joint pains I have been having recently (any never had before)must be due to the Lamictal. I thought it was just old age!! (I'm only 35).
Now I'm just hoping the withdrawal will go alright.

I've been coming back to this thread day after day now because I'm going through a horrible withdrawal, though I hesitate to say it. I hesitate only because I didn't even realize it was happening--I felt exhausted and lost and just .. gone, in many ways, and I thought I was just getting very sick until one of my friends--not even a friend I talk to often, just very aware--suggested that it might be because I am trying to wean myself off of Lamictal.

My psychiatrist didn't warn me about any withdrawal symptoms, and so this is very hard. The reason I finally say something--because I haven't seen anything on the internet so far about it--is that I have lost sexual sensation. I am a very sensitive person, and all of a sudden, I can't feel anything. I'm down to 100 from 200mg, and I just. Don't know what to do.

sorry to hear about your troubles danielle. the whole lamictal withdrawal thing is a very new phenomenon and docs are completely unaware of it. so is the fda. the company that makes the drug is no help either. if you continue to taper down, please go very very slowly although your doc should be able to give you guidance on doses and timing. i went down from 100 mgs in 25 mg increments every two weeks. it wasn't slow enough.

Hi,
I just wanted to let people know that my site has an additional thread of comments at least as long as this one on lamictal withdrawal....

Just want to share info with as many of us as possible. I'm in the middle of it too.

here is the post with the long thread of personal experiences:

http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2007/12/20/lamictal-withdrawal-from-hell/

I've been withdrawing from Lamictal for almost a year off an on. Started at 400 mg and am down to 100 mg. It gets so rough I have to take long breaks. I do recover inbetween nightmarish symptoms though. Hang in there everyone....

I wish I'd had this information prior to trying to wean myself off Lamictal. I had been on Prozac for ove 20yrs and had to quit taking it due to severe reflux, which quit as soon as I quit the prozac. My anxiety got bad without anything, so so I went to a medical doctor [quickest to do] and she put me on Lamictal. Have had Bipolar dx years ago, never really agreed with it, more major depression and anxiety. The Lamictal helped quickly with the anxiety. I took gradually increased to 100mg a day and took that for 3 months. The bad side effect was constipation, which I put up with until it got so bad I couldn't have a bowel movement because the pain in my abdomin was too bad. I cut myself back to 50 mg and the pain went away in a day. I decided to taper off while I waited to get into see a psychiatrist since they would do that anyway to switch meds. I have been on 50 mg for nearly 4 wks. I never knew about the possible withdrawls. Unfortuneatly, it was harder than I had expected to get into see a professional, they told me as much as a month to get an appointment. My depression started getting really bad, so I called local family doctors, couldn't get in there either! My depression has never been so bad, I can barely get through the day without breaking down into tears. I don't sleep much either and have bilateral hip and low back pain at night. I finally went out of state and saw a family doctor who started me on Zoloft. He forgot to tell me how to taper off the Lamictal, in my my condition, I forgot to ask. So now I am taking 10 mg Zoloft and dropped myself down to 25 mg of Lamictal. Sounds like I need to take the 25 mg of Lamictal for a few weeks before I totally quit! I feel like I have the flu; nausea, headache, fatigue. The doctors don't give you the information you need for these drugs! Some of THEM don't know. This is not safe practice. And the difficulty getting mental health treatment in rural areas is ridiculous! Bless you all for sharing this information, it gives me hope now that I understand what is happening to me.

I have been totally off of Lamictal now for 5 and 1/2 days. I am absolutely going crazy. I am having extreme fatigue, along with some major brain fog and dizziness. I am actually scared to drive, but am still having to do it anyway. Was put on the lamictal a year or so ago to treat my bipolar, in addition to Lexapro. Last night my pulse was actually 240 bpm, at least I think it was, that was all I was able to count my heart is beating so fast. I have been having joint pain, stomach problems, and some recurring mania along with paranoia. I had to come off of the Lamictal due to financial reasons - people are telling me to go get it - I say no. Once I am through with this withdrawel hell I will never go on it again. I'm not sure what normal is, but hopefully soon I will get there.

hey everyone, i don't know if anyone can help me out w. this, buti went through a 5 month bout of severe depression w. mixed states (clearly brought on by paxil), and have had a great 3 months on 50 mgs of lamictal, and just finished weaning the paxil out 2.5 weeks ago w. no side effects (the less paxil i had in me, the more I felt like myself again, could read books, think clearly etc...) But just recently, I'm noticing intense manic effects, which in my opinion can only have been brought on by the lamictal, bc the better i feel the more im noticing this intense burning sensation (non rash related) as it's more of an energy, and my anger irritability has been going through the roof, I snap at my mom i had to leave work bc EVERYTHING bothered me..... so I called my doctor and her advice was to go up to 100mg. I never had a manic episode before being put on medication, so my opnion is i'm going to go back down to 25mg..... anyone's advice would be much appreciated... thank you!

this is classic. drug induced mania---instant bipolar diagnosis. My suggestion is get real healthy (food, diet, exercise, meditation, therapy) and stay away from the drugs. There is a domino effect that happens for a lot of people after a antidepressant is introduced and causes instability---the doctors start lathering on the drugs. There are alternatives that can keep you healthy.

Thanks Gianna for the advice, and i think you are absolutely right.... i checked out your site, definitely admire/support what you're doing.... i have an uncle (whom i'm convinced I derived these crazy manic, mental symptoms from), who's been on and off meds for years and has lived at home alone for the past 25 years bc he can't live around people as a result of his pathology which essentially grew as big as a house, so i am 100% w. you on the get healthy, u can cure yourself bit.... do u have any suggestions on the natural route, i was thinking once fully drugfree of substituting fish oil, along w. multivitamins, diet exercise etc which i've already incorporated... (fish oil right now makes me manic w. the lamictal), maybe u know something about this, best of luck in your taper...

Thanks for this great site, it makes me feel better just reading up. Somehow my prescription didn't get called in over the weekend, and I've been off for two days. Normally a 150/day. I'm back to where I was two years ago before starting lamictal, raging and confused. Weird, I woke up and my tongue was cut and is swollen! I just want to drink and crawl in to bed. And I want to drink heavily before passing out. I'm sort of writing this for myself later NEVER to get caught in this predicament again without my meds. I'm BiPolar type II and am also on wellbutrin and cymbalta. Anyone else on this weird combination? I tried stuff called Fluvoxamine a few months ago and it RUINED me; I was on the bathroom floor feeling like my brain was going to explode.

I recently just tapered down to 25 mgs, does anyone know anything about how difficult the last 25 mgs can be and how much of a difference it makes?.... thanks

Hi all, I have been on three types of anti-depressents for about 3 to 4 years. FIrst one was Lexapro, then to Cymbalta and now Lamictal. Like many other that start taking it, I started with the starter packet and went to 100mg full time once a day. I have been on it for about 3 months and it has controlled my mood swings overall. The side affects that it caused me are exactly like others who posted here. Brain fuzziness, lethergy, unmotivated, once in a while a brain zap. It feels like a short circuit happened for an instant of time. Almost like an electrical spike that happens in my skull. It can be scary.
I have retired from my job in NY and I am physically disabled due to a work injury. I guess I am mentally disabled now too. I saw a doctor in Nov who prescribed the lamictal and I have had refills up until now. I have two 100mg pills left with no refills and the doctor dropped of the face of the earth. No psychiatrist take either Aetna or Medicare. I can pay for medication with either but to get a script is my problem. I called all over within a 50 mile range and no one can help me. I am stuck and I am nervouse about stopping taking the lamictal. Especially after reading about what others have gone through, here. I started cutting my pills in half so they will last several days more but I dont know what the effects of that will be in the immediate future. I am thinking that I might have to go to the emergency room and tell them that I need help. I dont know if they will be able to verify my being prescribed it because my doctor is no longer reachable for some unknown reason. I just need to know this one thing. I never had a seizure as far as I can remember. If I was to completely stop this stuff and go holistic, will not taking lamictal actually cause seizures to happen to me. This would be tragic for me becuase I have a wife and 3 young children. I dont want them to see me in any form now that I wont have any meds to control my mood swings. I started taking St Johns wort, B complex, Multivitamins, folic acid, omega three and this SAM-e stuff my wife got for both of us. I hope to God that this will provide the stimulus I need to not go crazy or something. Does anyone know of or heard of someone starting to get seizures by coming off of lamictal completely. Also how well will a holistic approach be. I am going to also start excersizing regularly too. I am going to get one of those sittable stationary bikes. I heard that the increase in endorphins helps cut down the lack of seratoten issue? Any advice or direction to help guide me in a positive direction will be welcomed. Thanks

My wife is scaling back her meds in preparation for ECT treatments. Her psychiatrist has had her on a very high dosage; she's not had a satisfactory response to any medication in several years of treatment (hence the move to ECT). He had luck with another patient by pushing the lamictal very high; he told her to increase 50mg per week every two weeks until she started to feel fuzzy, and then back it off 50mg and hold steady. She eventually landed at 550mg.

Lamictal being an anticonvulsant, it's obviously not useful when trying to induce seizure, so she needs to reduce it to 100mg. He told us to cut it by 100mg every 3 days; we started with the odd 50mg and have since been following that schedule, which will have her down to 100mg next week in time for the ECT. Unfortunately, the withdrawal is sheer hell; she's anxious, manic. She can't do much but sleep during the day and then much of the night she spends in a panic. I've called her doctor to see if there's anything she can take to ease the withdrawal symptoms that won't interfere with the ECT, but I don't expect to hear back from him until this evening.

Has anyone found anything (be it over-the-counter medication, or some activity or technique) that helped ease the withdrawal? We're both really hoping the ECT will help her, but if she can't make it through the next week it won't matter. Thank you.

o.k. now I'm worried. I am on day 23 from withdrawls of Cymbalta. Its been pure hell. Brain zaps, blurry vision, loss of memory,anxiety & so forth & so forth. Too many symptoms to describe. I'm on 300mg. of Lamictal & decided to battle that after my bout of withdrawl from Cymbalta.I can't go thru withdraws like all of you are descibing. This past month has just worn me out. I'm on a site for people getting off of Cymbalta so I'm happy to see one here for Lamictal. I've been having joint pain for along time.Weight gain,,,, big time. I feel like the Lamictal has never worked for me but the doc. thought it would help me get off xanax. It didn't happen. I went cold turkey on Cymbalta, so do you all think I should go cold turkey on Lamcital? I just figure being in Cymbalta withdraw hell I could handle Lamcital withdraw. No I haven't told my doc. any of this. Shes really not a doc, but a counselor & has patients records audited by real doc. I just feel shes a pill pusher. I.\,ve actually have felt mentally better being off Cymbalta so I'm hoping the same for this. Oh, by the way, did I tell you one of the symptoms of coming off of Cymbalta is babbling alot!!! Be in my world,,
Thanks for any info.
Lee

Interesting to note the Cymbalta withdrawals; etc. I've been tapering the dreaded Xanax and expected awful withdrawals; instead it's not been hell like it was with Seroquel and Prozac. I also am on 50mg. of Lamictal, and have reported problems with it[increasing the med make me sick, and headaches]directly to GSK; which then goes to FDA, which goal being is to get withdrawal symptoms on the packaging as warnings.

Sheesh. It took me a while to scroll all the way down here.

"I was thinking at a particular moment washing out of my head within minutes."

Since Lamictal, my short-term memory has gone kaput. I pretty much have none. I have to write everything down or else it goes away. Hence, I feel like I had ADHD since I end up doing a variety of things at once since I forget what I was SUPPOSED to do.

In a reply to Stacey's question I've found the following link that could shed some light on what you're going through - here it is
http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/infopage/lamotrigine/default.htm

Thank you for everyone posting and commenting here - as a fellow Bipolar II person who's only recently started using lamictal recently and have already decided to quit - I've found your comments helpful and encouraging. Thank you

marissa's comment just reminded me and i am not making a joke, that was one of the side effects i reported to GSK , was short term memory loss! i have to take notes on phone calls, and tape them to the kitchen cupboard like i'm writing a book to keep track of anything important.

Hey, thank you so much for your comments. I just tried to come off 50mg of lamictal suddenly. I slept all the time, felt dizzy, couldn't even drive. I went back on 25mg. I feel very depressed also. I don't know if I'll ever be back to normal. At least I know now I'm not alone. Once I get off the 25mg I'm never touching lamictal again.

I have been on Lamictal for about a year now taking 200mg's a day. Two weeks ago i decided to cut my pills in half and gradually ween myself off of Lamictal. I just took my last dose of 50mg's last night and i have had no withdrawel at all. I actually feel better being off of Lamictal than i did before taking it. My pharmasist told me that it should take two - three weeks to ween yourself completely off of Lamictal. Luckily i have had no problems going off so far. I wish all of you good luck if you are trying to go off any medications. By the way, i think i was misdiagnosed with Bipolar back in 94 and have had no mania or depression while weening off of Lamictal.

Hi everyone. I have been on 300mg/day does of lamictal for about 2 years for bipolar. It has really helped me a great deal. My dad took his own life at age 30 as a result of the disorder (we think, 25 years ago he was on the verge of being diagnosed).
My husband and I recently decided to try and have a baby, so I am tapering. My doc has me going pretty fast - I did 200 for a week, I dropped down to 100 this week, and will do 3 days at 50, and 3 days at 25 next week. So far everything has been pretty manageable. I did have a big stressor the other night which kind of sent me in to a tailspin...I had to just take a bath and crawl in bed and say goodnight.

Here are some things I have noticed since I went from 300 to 100 in the last 10 days:
small bouts of major agitation/edginess
nausea
feeling light headed
low appetite

My doc told me to expect crying spells and headaches (I haven't experienced this yet). I also take Niravam (like valium) for mania/anxiety, and she said I could take this as needed during the lamictal withdrawal. So far I haven't needed it!

I am curious to see how I will fare once the medicine is gone. Also - my doc told me have one month of being 'clean' before we start trying.
I saw one girl's post about being on lamictal while pregnant...is there anyone out there who has returned to lamictal upon giving birth?

re: pregnancy and any psych med; i'm not a doctor, but make sure the valium is gone too, and i would wait 3 months before getting pregnant and that goes for being off birth control pills as well. just advice, not medical professional advice. [but a mom of 3].

I saw that Scott reported that he woke up with cuts on his tongue. this struck me because he same thing happened to me. I have been off of Lamictal for 4 days and I woke up having chewed the heck out of my tongue. I am also walking around in a dream and feeling completely detached from myself. My brain feels as if it is stuffed with cotton. I am tired, due in part to restless sleep. I don't want to go back on meds which were originally prescribed for depression and then later to also address a partial seizure disorder.
Please tell me I'm close to feeling normal!!

I have recently been coming off of Lamictal and I had tried this before and went back on it due to the withdrawal... I wasn't sure if it was withdrawal or just the Bipolar... I am sure now that it is withdrawal and I am continuing to come off.. I was on 100 mg and went down by 25 mg each week. I think I will take this last 25 mg for a bit longer as I have had all the same symptoms posted on here. Manic episodes that just have to burn out..numb feelings, feel outside of my body and like my head is cold inside. I have had some nausea too. I have noticed that I don't sleep to great right now either. I hope the last 25 mg. goes o.k.
Leigh Ann

I am Bi-Polar and I have been taking Lamictal for over 4 years now. It has been so long, that I can hardly remember how I felt without it.

At Over a 2 to 3 month process I worked myself up to a 400 mg per day dosage. For the first year I was grateful I found a medication that worked for me. I felt a lot more stable than I had for quite some time.

I had closed myself off because of a bad relationship ending. However, years went by, and I started to feel numb to a lot of emotion. Many traumatic events did not feel as bad as they really were. For example, my brother dying.

I seem to have this semi-unrealistic belief that you will perform best under your most natural state.

If you cannot see well, maybe you shouldn't correct your vision. While you cannot clearly see in front of you; you can think harder on what you are seeing to be able to see passed it.

So maybe this is your best path to looking at the world.

However, at the same time, if I am suffering from high blood pressure. Am I supposed to not take the medicine to increase my chances of dying? Or am I supposed to stay in my natural state?

Extreme situations, i know.

So I try to apply this to Bi Polar. Am I supposed to be like this? or more importantly. Do I want to ?

It is such a hard question for me. At the beginning I a was happy to be on it. 5 years is a long a time. Anyones body/mind/outlook will change at least a little. Has mine changed enough so I don't have to rely on this medicine?

For 4 years, 400 mg a day. I have maybe missed three doses the whole time. Those three days were ridiculously hard. Like a constant ringing noise was going off in my head. Jumbled thoughts. I was on edge.

Also, If I wait an hour after i wake up on the days i take my medicine, the same feelings come creeping up quite quickly.

It is like a slow panic attack that drags out.

So currently, I stopped taking Lamictal a week ago. My refill is still in the mail and I have no other way to get the medication. I am so detached from the world it is unbelievable. I know the medicine is for epileptic patients too. Although, I haven't had any seizures. My head feels stuffed with cotton and it is hard to function. I am unbelievably tired all time. It has been so long now. I don't even know if I am going to try to get back on it. I hope the buzzing and sick feeling goes away soon. I know I am supposed to 'ween' myself off, but it was all so unexpected. And here I am.

All the best.

I have been on Lamactil (lomotrigine) for about a year, and at 200mg. My Psyc put me on it to help with depression and anxiety. Many of you have cofirmed my biggest concern as of lately; the short term memory loss and ....what I saying?...o yes, the lack of motor skills. I am going through some stressful times, yet I feel that being so scattered contributes to this stress. I just seem be going around in circles and not very productive at all lately.

Several Questions for anyone, who wants to respond.

I usually need to have about 2 glasses of wine at night to just wind down, and not sure if that is a good idea. Any comments?

Does SAM-E help? I understad that Lamactil impacts the GABBA level. Does not SAM-E do the same?

I am interested in Gianna's web site. Where do I go? I am so glad to have found this forum.

I think I am ready to try and get off Lamactil.

Thanks!

So glad I found this. I've been on 200 mg lamictal for about a year and a half. About four years ago started with celexa for depression, which worked great for a little over a year, so I stopped. Then took lexapro when the depression returned, hit a rough spell and was told I am probably bipolar II. Weaned off lexapro and onto lamictal gradually up to 200 mg. It seemed to work ok for a while, but I really don't know for sure if it was the drug or just my own ups and downs.

Anyway, have been feeling like crap lately and was considering adding wellbutrin, but I have decided instead to go drug-free. I am on day 2 of no lamictal cold turkey. Don't feel any better or any worse. I've been tired, cranky, edgy and forgetful with lamictal.

Gained 35 pounds during this four year drug trial, but in fairness, I'm also in my 40's. My new plan is to work on a regular sleep and exercise routine, eat better, and get outside as much as possible.

Looking forward to being drug free. Hasn't been "the perfect cure" for my depression, and I'm tired of looking for one.

Hello. It's been very helpful and reassuring to read all of your comments. Your reaching out has helped me reach out to you in turn. I've been on 300mg lamictal for a year and a half, which I take for depression and began noticing weight gain in the last three months. I'm also on 300mg Effexor and 300 mg Wellbutrin as well as thyroid medication. I'm not sure whether the Lamictal has actually helped my mood or not and frankly, I'm not sure why I'm on it. It has caused irritability that I never had, jaw clenching, nightly teeth grinding, increasingly blurred vision, occasional dizziness, bruising, itching, confusion, tremors, bloating, fatigue, violent and disturbing dreams, impaired memory, and most recently, weight gain. I've begun tapering down by 37.5 mgs since last week and today I'm feeling low, sad, crying easily. A bit depressed. Is that normal? does that subside when you adjust to the lowered dose?

I was on Lamictal which was stopped to determine if my eye sensation was due to that. I know it sounds crazy, but since I had been on Lamictal I started having these eye images like seeing my iris (clear) in front of me. I saw three eye doctors and nothing. I went back to Lamictal. I had been on Lexapro which was begining to not work. The second time on Lamictal after about 3 months or so, I got the rash. The doctor had also started me on Cymbalta, getting rid of the Lexapro. I thought the rash might be from Cymbalta. I had other symptoms like extreme agitation, suicidal thoughts increased, etc. So Cymbalta was stopped. That left only Lamictal. The rash got worse so then the doctor diagnosed the Lamictal rash and told me to stop it immediately. I was on the 200. This whole time I felt like I had the chills, flu, extreme fatigue. After stopped the Lamictal cold turkey, symptoms got much worse. Serious suicidal thoughts, fatigue, time perception problem, feeling faint, loss of balance, poor concentration, feeling of detachment and inability to concentrate/understand things. Serious mood swings. The time perception thing really bothers me. I can't tell if I have done something 5 min. ago, or 5 hours ago. I feel very disconnected. I didn't tell the doctor all of this because I thought it would pass and I thought I might just have the flu. I didn't know what withdrawal symptoms would be like. I got on line and found this place and bam, it hit me. All of this is related to sudden Lamictal withdrawal. There was a strong possibility of hospitalization because of suicidal thoughts and just this feeling of having no control. My emotions are all over the place. The doctor is thinking of putting me on Topomax alone now. Frankly all of this has really shook me up. The withdrawal from this drug is intense. I don't know how long it will last. The depression is so severe. It's all very scary especially when I had no clue what to expect. I predicted I would be a little depressed, but nothing like this. Surely you can get through this.

Reading these last few comments I am beginning to want to broad brush this into ALL psych meds have these withdrawal symptoms; I am currently on Lamictal; but have suffered just about every withdrawal symptom the last 2 commenters wrote while removing Seroquel; and currently Xanax.
I can assure others based on my Seroquel hell removal that I did survive it; thus my perservence with the Xanax tapering right now.
The disconnect of time is very disturbing. Seroquel was like having full blown flu. I've journaled my Seroquel withdrawals on my blog and am now writing about Xanax.
Good luck to all; I am starting to seriously believe withdrawals happen on all of these medications, which is quite alarming. I only wish I didn't have these anecdotal stories to tell; because coming off of the drugs is worse than being on them.

amy, your email address did not work. please write me directly.

I'm down to 75mg of Lamictal so far, I was on 125 like 2 weeks ago and not on it for long.

I'm just curious since I'm going down 25mg every week about the symptoms I'll have, I tried to go off Lamictal before but I couldn't, and I feel ever since I've been ON Lamictal I feel I can do LESS than I could before I was on it...

Thank you, when I said being able to do less I meant less in life, more ocd/paranoid about not being able to accomplish things in life, not exactly fatigue, I misused that term. I think we'd all we better without meds...

Yeah thank you Amy... I felt some heart palpitations yesterday and today... more tired than usual also... realizing some things about life... man... life is hard.

Maybe we should get a Lamictal withdrawal message board going or does anyone know of one that sympathizes with this medication so we can all get the help we need or at least the talking we need? Because jeez this Lamictal is making me so unmotivated and fuzzy minded I don't want to do anything...

I have been diagnosed with bipolar II. I have
anxiety but no mania. I was given lamictal.
It says on the labeling that is for bipolar I.
My questions is does it work for anxiety or is
this not the right drug or is Bipolar II the new
diagnosis of the year?

Thanks Amy. The docs say no problem. Everyone on this forum says it is. What's the real story? Why the hell is it so hard to get off these drugs. Why does every doctor say its a joke?

Doctors can only be educated by the patients who take the drugs and withdraw from them; that's stuff the drug reps don't give in their "talks".

As far as dropping .5mg of Xanax, I have just suffered nearly 3 months doing it, with horrible withdrawals. I would recommend only reducing one drug at a time.

Benzo Island is a taper forum that can help with tapering benzo ideas and also if the crazymeds boards are still open, it's a place all of these drugs are discussed in immediate forum response discussion.
Good luck.

what kind of problems did you have with the xanax. HOw long were you on it? If you don't mind me asking.

9 years on Xanax; basic withdrawal symptoms:headache,confusion, brain buzzing, suicidal thoughts,severe depression, jaw pain, facial swelling, insomnia,hand tremors,severe fatigue,short term memory loss-- just to name a few. The first .25 I reduced wasn't as bad as the last .25 (total of .5 reduction over about 3 months).I've also removed other meds, and always had withdrawals. The most alarming symptom (that has passed)was suicidal thinking; but the depression is still here/doctors might say it's "the illness" coming back--I saw a direct hit that came alongside the tapering of the Xanax. I also take 50mg. of Lamictal.I have written about 'benzo withdrawals' on my blog. The interesting thing about Lamictal as we read here, is that more and more people seem to be having severe withdrawal symptoms when removing it, and considering it is a fairly benign and easy to take drug without a lot of side effects, I think it has taken people off-guard when tapering and having withdrawals.

i agree about the lamictal. Its been my worst nightmare asitkilled my cognition in medical school and i can'tget off it. At one point i was on 500! i had a6 month headache and every doc said it couldn't be withdrawal so they put me on xanax for "anxiety" headadches. So terrible. 3 months ago i was on 100 lamictal and 1 mg xanax. I cut the xanax .25 over a few weeks. NO withdrawal at all. But then I cut the lamictal to 90 recently. 2 week headache. The thing is then a few nights ago i couldn't sleep. Probably lamictal withdrawal. I had big exams so i had to induce a sleep. Only chocie was xanax. I went to 1 mg for the last few days. Is it safe to come back to .75 right away? I've been taking it only 6 months

6 months counts. (remember this is anecdotal, my experience) when my pdoc suggested to increase mine to 75mg (jan08)it made me sick, i felt sick and i fell a lot. i told pdoc it was a no go. ive left it at the 50mg. since then. this might sound far to simple, but i have been taking 50mg of Benadryl for sleep that has equated to the same effect i had for sleep w Seroquel. i am not a doctor, or want/need to influence anyone, just sharing my personal story, benadryl helped the insomnia, and surprised me when it did. good luck.-stephany

I'm on Lamictal for epilepsy since 1997. I;m having many problems coming off it ! Any ideas ?

nb: I, too, got a "lamictal rash" from 200mg tablets, later learned it was an allergy to the drug dye, went on 25mg tablets(white)(15 per day) got no rash - - stayed on it for 11 yrs.

Helen

Man this Lamictal stuff is so confusing... I've been struggling to get off Lamictal for about 5 months, but I'm actually very close to being off it... because I feel that is what is making me feel so bad, since I can't concentrate, read good anymore, have bad memory issues, and with the WITHDRAWAL especially have had some bad thoughts that I usually don't have, not to mention more OCD... the withdrawal could be worse though, unfortunately I'm still stuck on Xanax 3mg a day, but that's what I need to get through this terrible time of Lamictal.I noticed there are not many LAMICTAL SUCCESS STORIES such as people going off it then they feel great... has anyone ever felt any RELIEF going off any of these medications???

I am currently going off of Lamictal and it has been HELL. If I had known what this would feel like I would NEVER had taken it. I was on 200 mg . While I was on it I noticed that I was very slowly starting to have bizarre side effects. My hair started falling out, I was having horrible cravings, I couldnt write very well it was like my brain and hand wouldnt connect, I cried ALOT. My dr decided a couple of weeks ago that I should go off of it. Since trying to taper off my anxiety has been off the charts, my head is foggy like I am detached, etc etc. I would recommend not taking this med . The effects are horrible and has not been worth it, but I am not going back on it I have gone this far and I am not going back.

Johnalene--exactly my experience. Good luck to you.

Hi

I have Bipolar (so they say...) and ADHD, and I'm currently taking 125mg Lamictal and 18mg Concerta. I've been taking Lamictal for 4 years, and I think it has done more damage than good in the long run.

I think it has affected my body in a negative way. Here are my side effects:

Higher levels of creatinine in the blood,
more prone to the flu,
generally more prone to feeling sick,
increased ADHD symptoms,
a rash in the face,
rash on my upper body (the doc said it was fungus),
muscle pains,
joint pains,
anxiety,
alcohol intolerance (almost like an allergic reaction),
headaches,
can't remember the last time I slept without having to take meds like Zopiclone and Melatonin.
It's almost like my body struggles to fight infections etc.

I was 16 when I was diagnosed with Bipolar, and got this medication. When I started taking them I threw up every day for a week. My body doesn't like them. To put things in perspective;

If I increase the dose with 12,5mg (split 25mg) I end up with neusea, headache and a swollen throat. Seriously, the last time I tried to increase the dose I felt really really sick for 36 hours.

I was diagnosed adult ADHD a year ago, and the stimulants have proved themselves much more effective for me compared to the other meds I've tried. Along the way I have tried pretty much everything, and I always have to give in to the side effects. I'm obviously hyper sensitive. My doc won't listen to me...

I'm a bit confused, because I can't find anything on the internet that can help me. I'm grateful for this thread though, since I'm going to quit the Lamictal.

Have any of you guys experienced the same side effects from lamictal as me? I'm sorry if my post is a bit off-topic, but I'm kinda desperate. I will post an update on my withdrawals later. I just took my sleeping aids, and I skipped the 25mg's I usually take at night. It's a bit scary.

Thanks for a great forum, and you guys seem like great people!

I'm so happy to have found this site, but the comments have freaked me out as well since I also was never told about the possible side effects of withdrawal. I decided to take myself off of 200mg of Lamictal after 2 years since I wasn't convinced it was doing anything. I'm not bi-polar, but have OCD, and I must admit it has helped reduce my anxiety. However, I got these killer headaches after reducing it by 25 mgs (my Dr. advised doing this every 2 weeks). I now know I need to go slower but am so scared of getting the headaches again. I'm wondering if there is something I can take to relieve the headaches during my withdrawal, but WILL never take Xanax or any other kind of possible addicting drug. Suggestions? I would also NOT recommend doing this cold turkey. Those lightheaded feelings are dangerous. Definitely take it slow.

The side effected I recently posted wasn't from withdrawals, it was from using Lamictal.

Anyway, I'm going to reduce my dosage slowly, 25mg every two or three weeks until I'm done.

I expect headaches, but it's far better then the alternative.

I'm having a little headache now, but it's most likely from stress. Hope it's gone in the morning.

Chris

Hi,
Wow, it is so nice to come across this site. THank you for all the comments. I was on 200mg of Lamictal for a year and I have been trying to get off of L. for about a month now. I am on 100mg currently and will stay on it for the next couple of weeks before shifting to 50mg.

The problem: I am so completely depressed, it is frightening. It seems that my depression is worse than it has been in a while. Is this just withdrawal or is it a worst case of depression coming back?

I cannot focus or do any work. I cannot care less abotu anything, but i am also very anxious and agitated. I cannot sleep and then I sleep for 14 hours. It is hell on my work schedule.

I feel really scared. Maybe i should go back on Lamictal? L. worked great for me, but I had servere acne, headaches, horrivle nightmares, and I could not do any work b/c my brain was mush for almost a year.

AH! I am so tired of all this.

Ok, Question...I am currently on 500mg a day of Lamictal. I have been on this for, geez, I don't even know how long...a couple of years. My dose was just increased from 450 to 500 in October. I have a Video EEG scheduled for next week (June 2-6) and am really scared since I am suppose to stop my Lamictal that Sunday night (June 1). When I am late taking a dose, I know it...I get a feeling of heaviness on my chest, my arms and hands get this weird tingly feeling in them, etc., and that is just if I am a half hour or hour "late" taking a dose. Usually it is with my nighttime dose. What can I expect to happen when I have to stop the full 500mg abruptly? This scares the crap out of me more so than the Testing. Any input would be helpful!

If I can add anything here or maybe help someone, I've learned that the key with Lamictal is SLOW titration, whether up or down. I have been on Lamictal since 2004 and am currently in a love/hate relationship with it. When it works, it is magical. I am very sensitive to medication, plus I am a woman who deals with severe monthly hormonal flucuation, so I am very intimate with Lamictal's benefits and side effects. For example, I usually need to bump up the dosage a little the week before my period and back it off the next week or so.

I relate completely to your post, Hi. Earlier this year I tried to go off Lamictal. It was so miserable I had to start taking it again after a week of many of the same side effects you describe. I was at a dosage of 400mg at the beginning of this year. After the week of withdrawal, I started again on 50mg. (I have 200mg tablets and they are really hard to split into any smaller than 50mg, and since they are shield-shaped, splitting them 200mg into quarters still isn't exact.)

What is my game plan? I need to get 25mg prescribed so that I can do very slight tweaks. If I decide to go off again, then I can titrate very slowly, which is what I recommend to anyone who is trying to quit Lamictal.

Ask your psychiatrist for free samples for the tapering. I get all of my Lamictal that way. (thanks to pharma reps!yes, I take advantage of them showing up in that regard) You can get entire packages of 25.mg tabs. It's just a thought, especially with tapering, and cost effective too.

ME AGAIN! Very odd for me but the Lamictal was much easier to go off this time compared to the last time in March... so I'm posting the first success story regarding withdrawal from this awful medication... so, yay? Johnalene I hope your scene improves, we really need a forum for this medication so we can all talk or something, someone give it some serious consideration or contact me at PaulostheSpy@AIM.COM so we can not all be alone. Also I've been OFF Lamictal for 10 whole days... felt very light good things but mostly bad, I wonder if it will improve at all or anything. OH WELL.

What are the steps one must take to get even with GLAXO for this horrible drug?

Ray. Buy an electronic scale that measures grams. That's what I did. Then equate the weight of the tablet with the dosage. That's the most precise way to do it.

Hi, just found this thread and am in my eigth day of hellish withdrawal of paxil but am on my eighth day of starting Lamictal using the starter kit - meaning I've taken Lamictal 25mg for eight days now. Since I'm experiencing misery with withdrawal from paxil, I've decided that I will not continue with Lamictal either.

My question is, will I have withdrawals off Lamictal 25 mg after using it for eight days? My horror is the thought of more withdrawal symptoms on top of the worst withdrawal off paxil I've ever experienced. Please, if you have an idea or guess, please let me know. Thanks.

I was wondering if anyone knows about this site and what it offers:

http://www.labelmesane.com/home.html

I've had similar problems as everyone only involving amitriptyline (Elavil), one of the older tricyclic antidepressants. It's been very effective for me the times I've used it over the years, but coming off it seems to get worse the older I get (or the more times I use it?).

cairn,
Lucky you!
Where did you find a physician that prescribes amitriptyline?
This site you've mentioned is not serious.
Can't you see they only want to sell their stuffs?
Now I'm sure you're new on the block!

Lamictal = worse experience of my life.
I have been off lamictal for 5 weeks and I am still battling the rash! Does not seem possible but according to family pract, not uncommon.

Plus, I have now been taking prednisone for the past four weeks to combat rash. I continue to gain massive weight due to the prednisone but without, the rash is very painful. Plus, I am not suppose to be in the sun, due to the rash, and I surf almost daily. Surfing has become much more difficult w/ extra 25lbs and increased sensitivity to the sun.
Vitamins, yoga, surfing, diet, exercise. I will never take another pysch med nor trust a physiatrist. All b.s. I spent the year on seven different meds, all for not.
How much money do drug lobbyist spend in Washington? More than an other private sector. They are the evil side of a capitalistic gov't and unfortunately bye the docs either through spiffs or misinformation.

i've been on lamictal for bipolar II for 9 months and i've had no major problems. i got headaches with the change in dosage on the ramp up, but they were by no means debilitating. just a month or so ago i finally got to the point where it was apparent to me how much time i spend mentally disconnected before medication. once in a blue moon i start to drift but i can always bring myself back. i'm more productive and happier. my relationships are better. i'm less self-centered.
one benefit i found by accident after forgetting to take it before bed: if i take it first thing in morning i am very motivated to clean and organize (a great thing since normally i'm kinda messy). i would like to just take it in the mornings on the weekends but changing the time i take it back and forth so often would be a bad idea. i am on no other medications for any mental disorders. i was on prozac for about a year or so back in high school and it was horrible. that's all i have to compare it to.

the only other side effect i've had that my dr mentioned might happen is trouble with depth perception. this only bothers me if i take in the morning + i have to drive. i just remember to brake earlier than it looks like i should and i'm fine.

i like lamtical. i have no reason to come off of it right now. my only concern would be when i decide to have kids (in the next 5 years or so). i am not going to take it then, but i will be tapering SLOW and BY MY DR'S INSTRUCTIONS.

after being in the medical community and after taking several medications that you cannot simply quit (for example, prednisone), i think it's a pretty fucking stupid idea to just stop, or to stop without your doctor's help. you're just asking for trouble then.

Ive been on lamictal for 6months, loved it but i have exzema on my face and my front teeth have internally turned grey, permenantly so i haft to stop. Its very hard im at 100mg and i am experiencing alot of anxiety. I dont want to be on anything. Im going to see my doc tomarrow to see if that is an option. Has anyone heard of lamictal affecting your teeth color or facial redness? My muscles are tense!
Thank you

As far as I know Label Me Sane is a legit business. I know a lot of people who have successfully used their products...the secret though is you can get all of the same products for a lot cheaper elsewhere---you gotta look at the ingredients because they give them fancy names that have nothing to do with what's in it...what they do offer though that you can't get if you get the products elsewhere is telephone support for your withdrawal. They're nice people.

It's not a bad system for some people. I've seen it work.

Now I am scared. I have been on lamictal for only 22 days now (50 mg) and working my way up to 100 mg. The only thing I noticed at my 2 week check-up (25 mg) was insomnia and dreaming. I have
A LOT of energy whereas I did not before starting this drug (I slept alot before). The doc put me on Geodon(Ziprasidone HCI) for the insomnia. I am on my 8th day with the 50 mg and taking the Geodon at night for sleep. I have begun to notice short term memory loss, I am very talkative and will cry at the drop of a dime, but still very energetic. I like that I have energy again and actually getting things accomplished. I am afraid to go to 100 mg after reading this page. I am feeling pretty good as of right now, should I tell my doc to stop at 50 mg? And, does anyone know what this Geodon HCI is? Also, the lamictal has done nothing for my anxiety. Is it supposed to help anxiety?

Rhonda, I take 50mg.of Lamictal. I'm over-sensitive to drugs and smaller doses of them work for me. My doc goes by the premise of increase until you feel better and leave it at that, rather than the standard literature guidelines. I've been on 50mg. for 18 months. Not sure if the Lamictal would address anxiety, it helps with the depression (usually). Geodon is an antipsychotic, same as Abilify,Zyprexa,Seroquel etc. If recommended for sleep, I'd personally try 50mg. Benadryl before that, based on my experience with Seroquel (that I am now off of). All of this is my personal experience. I do have a family member who does well on 125mg. of Lamictal, went off of Geodon due to not needing an antipsychotic and it gave too many side effects (crying, double vision),and uses Seroquel for mania once in a while for a 2-3 day period of time.

Thank you for responding so quickly. I am also sensitive to drugs and always worry about taking different kinds or too many. I have an appointment with the counselor (not the phsychiatrist) tomorrow and will ask about all of this. I do not like the Geodon. I felt better w/o it, except the not sleeping which was only now and then. So may ask for something natural for the sleep. What would you recommend for anxiety? and can I just take anxiety pill as needed and not everyday?

I'm certainly no expert or professional but I would advise taking anxiety meds PRN (as needed) and not every day, because most are benzos (for example Xanax, Klonopin)and I have been on Xanax (alprazolam)for 9 years, and truly feel it did nothing for anxiety and should have been left for PRN. I'm currently reducing it, (had withdrawals like a junkie)and feel less anxiety.
I have not tried Melatonin(sp?)but have heard it works for some people for sleep. For me, so does Chamomile tea and toast! Good luck.

@Hi at May 25, 2008 10:53 PM

I hope you are still coming by here. I am weaning myself off of Lamictal after being on it for a year. I am also currently at 100mg, and have been experiencing depression, fatigue, lack of ability to focus or think. I have been on 100mg for about a month now and will stay on it for another two weeks before I go down to 75mg. The withdrawal is really horrible. I am astonished at how intense the withdrawal symptoms are--unlike anything I have ever been on.

How are you doing, since you and i seem to have similar experiences. I too am going off of Lamictal b/c of acne, headaches, nightmares, and a brain that just doesn't work. I have been unable to focus or think for a year now.

--

ALSO, I have experienced what I can only call mini-seizures of some kind. My head does strange jolts. I read that seizures can happen to people coming off of Lamictal, especially when it is done abruptly. I am not going off of Lamictal abruptly, so I am confused about all this.

"hey",
it could be that you are coming off it too quickly, and need to slow the tapering down.

I normally take 150mg Lamictal for Bipolar Disorder. I recently ran out and could not afford my refill. I tried requesting samples from my doctor but that was a no go. The withdrawal symptoms are sooooo bad....I swear it gets worse every day. I have been without the Lamictal for about two weeks now. At first it felt like my brain was back firing...I don't know how else to describe it. It was like little electrical zaps shooting through my head. I have a headache that won't stop. It starts off bearable in the mornings, but by lunch it's like...off with my head...please. I am tired and my whole body feels like I have the flu. And then there are those bursts of extreme anger. My doctor gave me a prescription for a starter pack so I can start again, but I can't afford that either. I just got back on the meds in February and had just started getting stable. Before that I ended up on disability for 6 months. It is all pretty scary. I don't want to go back to that insane person that was me before the meds. I just don't know what to do anymore.

My doctor is taking away my cocktail of anti-anxiety and anti-depressant medications I have been on ranging from 3-6 years due to blood work showing high liver enzyme levels. My ALT level is around 120 (4 times higher than norm range). I have been tested multiple times this week and the belief by all is that my liver problems are drug induced.
So, I have been abruptly taken off Lamictal four days ago and yesterday had my Effexor XR reduced in half. I've gotten headaches (can't take ibuprogen or Tylenol for it due to liver problems) and extreme fatigue. I've taken Effexor for 6 years and Lamictal for three. If anyone can shed light on what I should expect with coming off both these together very abruptly it may help with preparing myself. Has anyone come off these without terrible withdrawals?

I am told that coming off my final drug Paxil (low dose) will start in the next week too. I am wondering, would I be better going in a rehab? What dangers are there for coming off these so fast? What enviornment would be the best for this time? ANy hints to reduce the withdrawals? It sound like hell for withdrawal off Effexor and Paxil, so why prolong the process since me liver is effected? Does it make sense to just get all the terrible withdrawals over at once. I want to be over the withdrawals before college starts back after Labor Day. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. I am only 21 and scared with all these medical problems.

Also, a weird thing is my cholestoral level (bad one) is around 200. Anyone experience liver of cholestoral problems while on Lamictal, Effexor or Paxil? I don't know which drug(s) is responsible for the liver problems (yes Hepatitis has come back negative).

This info about lamictal withdrawal is so surprising and important to me right now. I'm taking a total of 300mg lamictal daily but, due to several unusual factors, ran out Thursday night and wasn't able to get a refill until Monday, today. I felt as if I had been taking massive amounts of downers and my brain wouldn't function at all because of the severe fatigue. I couldn't think, couldn't hold a thought, couldn't do anything without it being a major chore. And nightmares! They stared as I began to fell asleep, including such things as seeing jolts of electricity shooting through my body or body parts being ripped off. (I tend to have vivid nightmares anyway.) My dogs woke me up several times each night because I was screaming in my sleep. I got the refill this morning and took my evening dose immediately. After a couple of hours I started feeling better and think I can go to work tomorrow. I'm a psychotherapist and, even though this was a horrible experience, I'm glad to know since the knowledge might come in handy in the future.

wow, I really am sick of Lamictal. I am on 300mg right now, but am starting to take 1 3/4 of that for 2-3 weeks, and to go slooowwwly from there. But... I just have to say that if I am a couple of hours late in taking it, I feel like I'm going to pass out, my lips go slightly numb, and I am a total klutz. I get really sleepy and it really scares me.

I used to take it in the morning, but eventually realized that my dizzy and anxiety spells were a result of taking it too early in the morning before my digestive system has had a chance to wake up. I take it in the afternoon now and feel better. Has anyone had this problem-- when taking it too early on in the morning?

I think I was one of those people that was going through a tough time and my doctor was over-eager to diagnose me and prescribe me this medication-- a medication that she claimed was new but well-researched. Then I got spacey and forgetful. So she diagnosed me with ADHD. She said many people have both at the same time. My entire family was shocked that I was diagnosed with it. I started to take meds for the ADHD and it made me an insane overproductive workaholic perfectionist that freaked everyone around me out.

What is the deal with treating symptoms only with medication? and treating side-effects with more medication? It is absurd. Maybe some people really do have both. I know I don't- and thank you for your comments because it confirms that the spaciness is a common phenomenon.

I changed my life and self-care habits, and am feeling really great. Perhaps Lamictal helped me out of my depression so that I could change my circumstances and habits more easily. But I don't want it anymore-- I see how it is affecting me and I really really hate the idea that my body is so dependent on it.

I get forgetful and sometimes don't take it in the afternoon, and then I get sick within a couple of hours. So now I have an emergency supply on me at all times. Ugh!

I was traveling in a foreign country and was thinking... if I were to ever get kidnapped or have my stuff stolen--- I would be SCREWED. That kind of dependency scares me, if it is not necessary.

I have to say reading this site has been so helpful-- but I am quite worried about reducing my dose now. I had no idea it could be so awful! I know I'm physically very dependant on it because as soon as I stop taking it at the same time everyday, I get sort of screwy. I hate it! It's not me!! Get it out of me! I will try to taper over several months just to play it safe.

However, does it make a difference to do it slowly or should I just try to do it within a few weeks? Are the withdrawal symptoms similar irregardless of how much time you take?

Sarah,

Withdrawal symptoms are varied. I know I was in a rush to get off lamictal, and I titrated down too fast - very ugly. Seroquel was almost as bad considering I was only on a low dose for a short period of time (nasty stuff, imho). You may not feel better on any given day, but look back a week or two instead. You might still feel like crap, but at least you're on a lower dose.

I think you have a special challenge in managing coming off old drugs whilst managing side effects of new ones. It might be difficult to tease out which drugs are causing which effects.

It's really important to remember that withdrawal can be a long and sometime tortuous process, but not to fixate on that negative aspect. What I found useful was the following (I may have posted this elsewhere here):

1. Try to do some fun stuff outside the home (movie, dining, window shopping, day trips, etc...) just get out of your home frequently.
2. Physical exercise: hikes, swim, biking, walks - always better when you do this with someone else from time to time.
3. Vitamin support - mine was omega 3s, C, D, calcium and magnesium (bad bones), and a multi - YMMV.
4. Nutrition: simple, whole foods. I ate smaller meals several times a day. Don't forget to treat yourself though - I usually did this after exercising (go for ice cream or such).
5. Have a very simple written plan and daily schedule. This will help keep you focused, but not straitjacketed to a tight regimen. You need to have some free time to just vegetate.

Be patient and don't beat yourself up. You are accomplishing something that is not easy or quick.

Thank God I came across this site. I really thought I was going nuts. I'll try and make this as short as possible.
I'm a 53 year old female, and have been on every drug out there for Bipolar II for the past 17 years. I feel like I've been a guinea pig for the psychiatric community all these years!
They should have been paying me instead of vice versa.
Some drugs have helped short term but not without all the side effects and withdrawals that go along with them.
My BIGGEST MISTAKE was taking Lamictal!!!!!!
I would have been better off on a street drug.
After two years on this drug my psych.doc (my 8th doc.)and I decided that it was doing more harm than good. I started out at 50mg and gradually ended up at 250mg.
At that point my doctor changed my prescription from 100mg. tabs to 200mg. tabs so I would only have to take a 200mg. tab. plus my 50mg. tab once a day.
I took the Lamictal as prescribed but noticed I was falling down a lot, was confused, could not read, was dizzy etc.etc.etc.
I was so confused that I forgot I had 200mg. tabs instead of 100mg. tabs and started taking two of the 200mg tabs plus my 50mg. tabs.
So as you can see I went from 250mg. per day up to 450mg. per day.
I didn't know what was wrong with me.
After taking the wrong dosage for a day or so I got really screwed up. I had to yell for my daughter the next morning after overdosing as I was shaking and trembling so badly that I thought I was going to flip out!!!! I should have gone to the hospital!
I had no idea that I was taking the wrong dosage...this went on for about a week until I ran out of Lamictal and had to pick up another script.
When I read the directions on the new bottle I was horrifed to find out that I had made such a bad mistake on my dosage...this could have been fatal for me.
When I told my doctor about this mistake because
I was so confused all the time he told me I was lucky to still be alive.
Anyway, I went back to 250mg., what a horror show!! I've been weaning myself off this awful med. ever since.
My doctor told me to drop 50mg. every 5 days until I got to 50mg. and then to just stop.
Well all I've got to say is that this has been the worst NIGHTMARE that I've ever been through!!
I think it would be easier to come off any kind of street drug out there.
I finally went to see my doctor this morning and he told me that he had never heard of anyone having a problem coming off from Lamictal.
I know he didn't think that I was having withdrawals from Lamictal...when I mentioned about what I'd read on the internet about withdrawals from this drug he just shrugged it all off...basically saying what I had read was a bunch of bullshit.
I love how these shrinks put you on all these meds., and then don't tell you the hell your going to go through when you try and get off from them.
I've done research on every drug I've had to take to find out what side effects to expect, but I never thought to look for drug withdrawal problems.
Of course your doctor is never going to tell you that all these drugs have withdrawal symptoms, because then how is he going to push them and stay in business?
As far as I'm concerned most of these shrinks are just legal drug pushers!
I know this lamictal works for some people, but my advice to anyone considering taking this drug is to research it throughly, and then take it only after careful consideration.
Please read all the comments posted here.
I am having every withdrawal posted here and then some!
This is not a drug to take lightly, (no pun intended).
I am planning on staying on 50mg. of Lamictal until my symptoms calm down.
I am very concerned about how I feel, as I have some very stressful events coming up in the next couple of months therefore I can't afford any downtime.
My other main concern is this: when I'm off this drug what next? What if I can't be without drugs?
I have nothing left to try.
I also agree that we all should be very careful about eating right, getting enough exercise, (although I haven't been able to move for the past few days) meditating, yoga, omega 3's, vitamins and other alternative methods that are available to us today.
One more thing, I was told by a bipolar specialist to take 1 to 2 grams of omega 3's per day.
I found out that this made me a little hypomanic... therefore I had to cut back on my dosage... so be careful with the omega's.
I'm sorry this turned out to be way longer than I had thought but once I got going I felt as though I should tell my whole story.
Thanks for listening.
Leslie

I got a new pdoc who decided to cut my wellbutrin in half and prescribe lamictal despite the fact that I was doing fine before she messed with my meds. I decided to do a google search on Lamictal and out of the hundreds of posts I have read on this drug, only four of them had anything good to say about Lamictal. I took one pill and was miserable the rest of the day with an intense migraine and sick to stomach. I was going to try to push myself through it to see if the headaches and upset stomach goes away, but I don't think I want to mess around with this drug at all.

For what it is worth, as a psychiatrist, and was not part of this posting when it was published last year (one hell of a thread going, eh?), the tricks to getting off of any medication that was titrated up in the beginning are the following:

1. A basic formula (not absolute, but as a general direction): for every 3 months on a med, expect at least two to three weeks to get off of it via tapering by NO MORE than 25% of the dose on at the time. So, for example with Lamictal, if on 150mg(avg dose)for 2 years(24 months), you would decrease to 125 for 7-10 days, then to 100mg for same pd, then to 75, to 60, then 50, to 40, 25, then 12.5, and be done, which would take about 12 to 16 weeks, depending on response with each dose decrease.

2. You really shouldn't consider decreasing or discontinuing meds in the middle, or anticipating of pending stressor(s) as the stress of worry of going off meds only increases the concern with the accompanying stress at hand. One reason why I would recommend being in therapy at the time of going off meds, just as an adjunctive measure to decrease the angst of stopping meds.

3. When on a fairly high dose of a medication, and a responsible doc should tell you it's a high dose, you should look to decrease it when life is at "cruise control" for you so when you would consider a future plan to decrease to discontinue, you are already at a lower amount at that point.

4. If you have concerns or questions about the meds or number of meds, ASK why they are being prescribed ongoing. Decreasing your discomfort or misgivings can only have a greater likelihood of the meds helping.

5. Lastly, and if this is taken as a cliche or trivializing, then I am sorry, but since I heard this last year, I like it and offer it to any and all who feel it is worthwhile:

if you want to get better, then take a pill, but if you want to get it right, fact the truth.

A lot of mental health seems to apply to this formula; not that meds are not needed, but they are not the primary intervention for most.

Hope this helps.

My doctor ran out of samples of Lamictal, and I went off of it without knowing about withdrawal symptoms. I had been on it for unexplained seizures for about two years.

The first symptom was insomnia. I would lie awake in bed and felt as if I were about to literally crawl out of my skin. The urge to move my legs was so intense, I furiously clawed at them. To stop, I had to keep getting out of bed and walk around. These feelings were accompanied by extreme anxiety. I felt as if I were trapped inside someone else's body trying to get out.

As time progressed, I began having the worst headaches of my life. I also had unusual headaches-Felt as if my head was floating. I couldn't possibly describe it if I tried.

I then experienced the following symptoms, not necessarily in the same order: dizziness, confusion, clumsiness, occasional passing suicidal thoughts with depression, pressure behind my eyes, extremely tired, sweaty palms, mania, tremors, muscle spasms, and irritability.

If you experience withdrawal symptoms, do not bother to research the symptoms yourself; you will find this the best site for that. Instead, speak to your doctor IMMEDIATELY. My doctor put me back on the medication, gradually increasing the dose. I still have a way to go-I am hoping the symptoms will go away altogether once I am up to my 200mg once again. She told me to stay on it, and "never" discontinue it. Discouraging, but I think I will take her word for it considering what discontinuing the medicine did to me.

Good luck.

son has been taking lamictal for 4 years 300 mg twice a day for seizures. He is a normal 19 year old boy who doesn't want to be dependand on medication. Problem is he takes his doses for a few days then skips a few takes and then skips again. He complaines of being tired, dizzy, irratable and very scatterbrained. He says its from taking the lamictal not from withdrawl when he skips his doses. If he misses for too long he has his seizures. How do we know if it from the meds or from skipping the meds???

I started a week ago to get off Lamictal. I was up to 400 a day. I wanted to stop because every morning was hell at that level-- brain zaps of painful memories or crazy thoughts and irrational fears. I was sick of that every damn morning. I cut it down to 200. To fast I know. Three days of hell. I am staying at 200 for quite a while then go down by 25% as recommended above. It will take a long time to get off. I may stay at on but at a much reduced level. Doctors seem so casual at putting you on and of course you are the one to pay the piper. Once I am off that will be it for me. Handle things as they come-- medication is a mine field. No thanks.

Hello all, remember me? I was on Lamictal 100mg... not a high dosage I know but it's semi high. I've been off it for 47 days, that's right I've actually been off this terrible medication... yet I haven't felt any relief or anything... still fuzzy minded, can't concentrate, ocding about everything and so on... anyone else here been able to get OFF their Lamictal for a while and have gotten any better/worse or stayed the same?... thanks...

has anyone lost excessive amounts of hair on Lamictal?

Yesterday was my first day without Lamictal.
I did a fairly slow taper staying at 25mg. for about two weeks.
You can read my story under the name Leslie for June 30th.
I'm feeling pretty crappy right now, depressed, anxious, very jumpy, irratable, and totally out of sorts.
I don't feel like doing anything but cannot sit still due to agitation.
I'm not sure what to do next. Should I wait until this passes?
Should I try going back on another med.?
How much worse am I going to get?
Will I ever get better?
How am I going to be able to make it without some kind of medication?
These are questions I keep asking myself.
I just don't know what to do at this point.
I want to try and tough it out for a couple of months and see what happens.
I know that when you have Bipolar disorder you're not supposed to go without meds. but I haven't had much luck with most of them therefore I'm very reluctant to try anything else.
Also trying a new med. is such a scary thing as you just don't know what's going to happen to you.
I was told I could try Geodon next which is an atypical anti-psychotic. YIKES!
I have Bipolar II, why would anyone take a drug like that for Bipolar II?
I did some research on this drug and it sounds worse than Lamictal.
As I haven't had much luck with any of the meds. I've already been on, I really don't feel I have many options anyway.
All I know is that I don't want to feel like this for the rest of my life!
Anyway, this is where I'm at now... I'll keep you posted and I hope everyone out there is doing better.
Take care,
Leslie

Leslie,
Keep reading the information on this site, especially about the use of atypical antipsychotics for BP. There's a lot of information about that here, thanks to Philip's hard work and research.
Best wishes,
Sherry

Leslie: I feel and can related to your pain. I am exactly where you are now. I am right at the same place in everway. It's such a lonely place. You feel that any choice you make you lose. Everyone out in the world is happy and you are stuck in such a miserable spot with no map to find your way out. No one you know understands what you feel like. If they know you are unhappy it surely is just your fault--if you would just suck it up and stop feeling sorry for yourself..blah blah. I feel for you. Want to know how you are doing. Maybe sharing of the pain will lessen it for us all. Mojo

Thanks Sherry for the info. I don't have any time to read about atypical antipsychotics until maybe next week.
My son is getting married on Sat and I'm doing the flowers...no wonder I'm stressed out!
What is your opinion about the use of these type of drugs for Bipolar II.?

Hello Mojo,
I'm sorry that your not feeling well either.
I'm pretty depressed and anxious today, and I have all this stuff to do for my son's wedding on Sat.
I can't wait until it's over!!! The whole family is stressed including my son and his wife-to-be, her mother is driving us all crazy!!!
I guess she thinks we're having a Martha Stewart wedding or something.
I was awake most of the night with gut wrenching pain and nausea... and am still feeling quite ill.
I don't know if it's the Lamictal withdrawal or what...I suspect it is though, as I've had this same problem with every cut I've done.
I can't afford to be sick this week!
I feel the same way you do Mojo about other people and their state of happiness...like everyone else but you is slappy happy.
When I pointed this out to my psychdoc. she said to me, "You have no idea what other people's lives or like, or what they're feeling inside."
This is a true statement, but I do know a lot of people out there that are happy and content.
I go through times like that myself...I just happen to be in a really bad spot right now.
Mojo, let me know how your doing...I've got to get some work done around here.
I'm not sure if this is mentioned anywhere else on this site, but has anyone heard of the Truehope Empower Plus supplement?
Probably just another scam, as you can see I'm grasping at straws here!
Leslie

Leslie,
I'm not bipolar so I mainly know what I read here. I have severe PTSD, mega depression and hypothyroidism that was undiagnosed and caused 30 friggin' years(!) of constant dysthymia. (Other than that, I'm fine.)

The basic stance of this site seems to be that atypicals are barely a good idea for psychotics and are not at all a good idea for anyone else--including, perhaps especially people with BP. They are pretty dangerous drugs and hard to get off. People gain 70 pounds, develop diabetes, etc. In short, they make mental illness seem not quite so bad.

I have been off all meds for about ten years and out of therapy for several also. I feel MUCH better now that no one's tinkering around with my body chemistry or trying to "fix" me as they stumble around intrusively in my innermost parts. I have my dignity back at last.

I've had the great good fortune of doing a tour of the Nuthouses of North America. I haven't seen anyone I can think of saying "Wow! This med has REALLY helped me!" Mostly all I've ever heard is side effects and "My doctor wants to try X next". It looks like a racket to me. I'm glad I'm out of it. No pill's gonna fix what ails me. I have to deal with it myself.

By the way, Mojo (great name), I have been depressed for decades. In fact I've carried to an art form at times, done the whole route. And you know what I hear all the time from people? All about how sweet and cheerful I am! So yeah, you really DON'T know what's going on with other people unless they happen to tell you and mostly they don't. Everybody's got their stuff. I now work as a church secretary and hear a lot of stories as people call for help. We really *do* have lots of company. I hope you smile again.

Sherry

Thanks Sherry _ would love to talk with you. Someone that could relate to my life. 30 years of fighting the dark side. It's depressing to think of the depression. You have one life --one go around. And you get to live it with this disease. It's beyond cruel to my way of thinking. It pains me beyond belief. Not sure how to deal with it conceptually at all.

A few weeks ago I decided against everyone's recommendation that I was going to stop taking it. I was taking the highest dose, 400mg, 200 in the a.m. and 200 at night. I am also taking lithium 1,500 mg split to three times per day. When I stopped it suddenly and didn't gradually taper off I didn't have too much of a problem. for the first 3-4 days I was really lethargic, tired, and slept alot, and had a bad headache but that was it. Other than those, what I would consider minor things, it wasn't too bad at all. SSRI'S are the worst to come off of in my opinion. I stayed off of the Lamictal for a few weeks but I started getting more and more depressed. People could tell just by looking at me and eventually I started taking it again. I have felt so much better since I did. It does really make me scared that I can't seem to function without taking these meds and that I really might actually be bipolar.

Kaitlan,

It's important that have a plan to come off any psychiatric drug. There is always the risk of withdrawal symptoms that may appear indistinguishable from your original symptoms. You may think your relapsing, but you're actually experiencing withdrawal symptoms. These may not be immediate or obvious.

Any plan ought to include support of your doc, if possible, vitamins, exercise, lifestyle adjustments (meaning getting out, making some new friends, doing positive things, etc...), and you need to educate yourself.

Education is hard because there is so much hyperbole. However, there is a wealth of good info on withdrawal strategies, what to expect, and how to plan for the long term. It's not easy, your brain chemistry has been altered by these drugs. It's not going to just tolerate their removal blithely.

I think it's helpful to accept that a successful withdrawal will involve failures and setbacks along the way. It's not an easy thing you're trying here.

Paul

I don't know why I never saw this original post. Maybe because
1. I was only on Lamictal for a week or so back in 2001 before I got the rash. Went off it cold turkey and had no problem.

2. I was ill from a drug interaction and lost 3 months of my life.
Anyway......

I noticed that several people had the same withdrawal symptoms from Geodon and Cymbalta.

I don't feel so alone anymore, and am grateful to know that.

Hi,

I have been on Lamictal for almost 12 weeks now, and have worked up to 200 MG for the past two weeks. I have decided to quit taking it for a number of reasons. I want to have another child. I just had jaw surgery and my chin is numb, which is supposed to come back but can be permanent. I understand that Lamictal stops or severely limits electrical impulses in the face/chin area as well as the brain and is even prescribed for a known medical condition involving this. I found this out last night and decided to start tapering. I don’t want to be numb because of this.

My question is, after only tapering up over 12 weeks, do you have any recommendations on how to taper off? I am thinking 150 mg for 1 week, then 100 for 1, then 50 for 1, then 25 for 1. That’s 4 weeks to undo 12 weeks of buildup.

Do you think this is safe?

I was just prescribed this med I was going to go get it this week thanks to all of you I would of not known this info.. How I feel for all of you.
I just have Panic Disorder and have been on and off of Xanax for 18 years and still take only 1 x
a day for the last 5 years how lucky I am. I am now 48 and work 3rd shift after a year of this I have been having trouble sleeping on the 3-4 days that I work nights, plus I have a high energy flow where I run circles around everyone. My Dr thought I might be on the low end of Bi Polar. So I told my doctor I got to slow down and I really need to sleep and he recommended this MED now who needs MEDS? I will deal with what I have RIGHT? I
can't understand why any Dr would prescribe this medicine, its a seizure med for goodness sake....GOOD LUCK to each and every one of you...

I've been on Lamictal for almost 7 years. I was put on it after I participated in a clinical trial for repetitive Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation at NIH. At one point, I took 600 mg daily.

I've never been fond of it and with a diagnosis of atypical treatment resistant depression, I didn't understand why I'd need a "bipolar" drug. Since then, my diagnosis has been changed to Bipolar II.

10 days ago, I cut my dose of Lamictal from 200 mg. to 100 mg. and I really haven't had a lot of problems - minor headache and minor brain fog. but after reading this blog, I think I'll go slower. I've never had much problem tapering/switching on any of the drugs. I wonder if that means they really didn't do anything. Any votes for the placebo effect?

Chris posted a list on May 25 2008 that listed the side effects he had on Lamictal and I wanted to say that I have had the exact same. I'm weaning from 150 mg to nothing and am so far down to 100 mg. I have only taken Lamictal for a short time and very quickly experienced a rash in the face plus my upper body, muscle pains, joint pains and total alcohol intolerance. I was wondering if was Lamictal and reading enough on this site has substantiated that theory. Thank you so much.

Does anyone know anything about the Tolerance withdrawal phenomenon to xanax. I read that you can actually have withdrawal simply by being tolerant. If this is happening, is the only way to end it to come off the drug?

I was taking lamictal 250 mg in AM 2 years ago. When I asked my MD to refill the prescription, his nurse errored by incorrectly writing " 25 mg". Talk about medical mistakes!!!! OMG! After doing a fast taper off benzos and Zyprexa (in two weeks) by a world famous physician, I also had withdrawal symptoms from Lamictal at the same time! I was living in hell with these awful drugs. Never again. I am now feeling better than ever and have regained my life. I also withdrew from Lithium. My previous pdoc was basically a drug dealer in a white coat with a license to maim other people's lives. He diagnosed me as bipolar. Guess what? I'm NOT and never have been. I had a benzo-induced delirium and went through 15 mo. of withdrawal symptoms. I was determined and had tremendous support from husband

Glad I stumbled on this site! I've been on Lamictal for 4 yrs at 450mg for Bipolar dx. I developed a rash last week and my dermatologist had me quit Lamictal cold turkey last Friday pending biopsy results. So, I'm on day 4 without meds. Current withdrawal symptoms: extreme exhaustion, joint pain, unusual sensations/numbness, dizziness, loss of coordination, loss of ability to taste and numbness in my mouth to the point of being able to bite my lip until it bleeds without feeling pain, same weird sensation across body and hands...

Anyone gone cold turkey from such a high dose? Frankly, I'm pretty concerned with what I'm experiencing.

Hi Everyone,
Let me just start off by saying that I'm so pissed at my doctor right now who I have been seeing for 9 yrs and always trusted. Told me I was Bi-polar. Started Lamictal, one of those kits, the orange one working up from 25 to 200. He then put me on 400mg and added Abilify, 2.5mg The Abilify made me feel anxious at times and I started having a few panic attacks here and there. I had originally went on antidepressants because of panic disorder. Anyways, quick taking the Abilify on my own since it was such a low dose to begin with. Told him I wanted off the lamictal and put back on a SSRI which helped me before. He told me to drop the Lamictal by a 100mg each week. Now if you have to build up slowly wouldn't you think you'd have to back off slowly. Like I said I trusted him, I changed doctors!! Thought I was loosing my mind!! Crying spells, bad concentration and could not focus, tremors, no appetite, screwed with my brain big time. I'm at 200 and staying there for now and also taking Paxil for the panic stuff. If I'm going to make anymore changes I think I'll wait till after the Holidays. Good Luck to All and Take Care.

I have been on RAT POISON I meant lamictal for 6wks,been weening off for 2wks! only got up 2a 100mg and then GOD woke me up and saved me! does anybody have any idea how long i will feel like i have been hit by a large bus.This med was to help not make life a complete nightmare!What would be nice is my doc & his rep eating some of this crap and then,they can tell all of us how great they feel!

10 percent every 2 weeks is the answer. I've been up and down with this drug all over the place. But 10 percent at a time worked. Some cuts didnt' cause symptoms, some did, but funny enough, there were many cuts when I started to feel pretty bad. I thought I actually needed the drug and this was upsetting. Until a few days later I started to feel better and proved to myself I was fine on the lower dosage. Going slow gives you the answers you need. Otherwise you're stuck in a viscious cycle of the unknown! Then the docs will lather on the drugs. My doc was convinced I needed 200 mg. 10 months later, im on 35 and I'm functioning much better. Only problem is, now I gotta figure out a way to kick the xanax the guy put me on. Stuck at .75mg.

does anyone have any information about the combination of Lamictal and Marijuana? i am about to begin taking Lamictal for a seizure disorder (i have no mental health issues, no recoed of depression or Bi-Polar disorder). this would be the only med i would be taking. i have no other perscriptions. i have been a smoker for about 8 years and dont really want to quit as it helps me increase my appitite and gain weight (i am cronically under weight, a family thing). anyone with any information would be appreciated.

you will be just fine. i smoke regularly and am on 400 mg a day.

my husband has started coming off of Lamictal since Thursday of this week. He was at 100mg and has been on it since April of this year. When should we expect the side effects, if any, to start and how long should they last?

I started tapering off Lamictal in April '08; I went from 200mg's to finally cutting that last 25mg in half last week (12.5). I waited to until the headaches and uncontrollable crying stopped after each decrease.
Question: Some of the side effects I've had have oddly increased (losing tons of hair and "female" issues), I've also developed the metalic taste in my mouth that some report. However, I just realized that may be due to my sense of taste coming back. Has anyone had a similiar issue?
Thanks!

hi guys I started lamictal 12.5 mgs took 6 days didnt like the way it made me feel nausuous,headaches,feeling very emotional inside so i stopped it okay for 2 days then got headache,nausea,thought that was it then i started getting jittery,fatigued very shaky I havent been to work for a few days cuz feel like im going to get anxiety attack know its from lamictal it been 12 days since i last took final dose head is clearer but not 100% couldnt get up out of bed for a day or two thank God i have some sick time im asking doc to give me xanax or somethin g so i could go back to work and I thought Paxil withdrawal was bad give me a break !

hi Becky Im going out of my mind the uncontrolable crying jags I just started 12.5 mgs today after being off for 14 days How long do they last the crying jags I just cant work like this no one has given me an answer you are the one voice of experience Plese tell me soon I just went back on 12.5 today to stop withdrawal do you know how long they last Linda

Hi Linda,
I wish I could tell you specifically. It would be so helpful to know how long we had to endure what we’re going through. I believe it took 2 to 3 weeks with each decrease from 50 to 25 to 12.5, for me.
I’ll have to go through my notes and emails to see when exactly I cut the dosage. I know I wrote it down somewhere. I can't keep track of days (or anything else for that matter). I think when going back up in dosage (I’ve had to do that too); it only takes a few days to get back to "normal". Of course, everyone is different.
I wanted to stop the 12.5mg this weekend but the debilitating headache started Saturday morning and I decided to wait. I had too much to do to be incapacitated on the couch. The headache went away within a few hours after taking it.
One thing that helped me tremendously when I went from 200mg to 50mg and was going through withdrawal from Cymbalta was supplements from “The Road Back” (there’s a link on this website). I could barely move without throwing up and the weird indescribable dizziness wouldn’t stop every time I moved my head.
If you want to email me, I can give you more details. I don’t want to take up the whole page and look like an advertisement. But they really helped. Becky8171@msn.com
Hang in there! I’m going through the crying stuff now too. It’s embarrassing! I always end up crying while I’m driving; especially if the light stays red too long. Too much time to think, I guess. So far, I’ve pulled it together before arriving at work (usually an hour late).
I had a major meltdown on Monday that involved going to two grocery stores (well, only the parking lot of one. It was too crowded) and coming home with nothing because it was too complicated.
I’m feeling much better today. It WILL get better!

Hi Becky thanks for getting back to me Im on day 5 back on 12.5 mgs thing are startingto settle down a little Im ANGRY at the doc Im ANGRY at GSK this has been HORRENDOUS worse then PAXIL withdrawal yrs ago docs denied PAXIL withdrawal now its common knowledge This will be the case with this drug and to add insult to injury pdoc stated there was no withdrawal from LAMICTAL last week I couldnt tolerate any noise thats getting better havent driven in 1 wk hope this gets better again thanks for getting back to me

I feel your pain!!!! Becky and Linda. Last month was the month from HELL!!! I was on 400mgs and my doctor cut me back a 100 each week. I made it to 200mgs and thought I was going to loose my mind. I have never experienced side effects with anything else I have taken and I have taken several different antidepressants, even Paxil in the past which I'm back on after nine years for panic disorder and anxiety. I could knock my doc over the head for backing me off so quickly. I couldn't think straight, 0 concentration, crying, high anxiety, big time upset stomach. Lost about 16lbs during the month of August. Everyday I would think, "will I wake up tomorrow and feel normal" Horrible thoughts would race through my mind like "what if the med did permanate damage, etc" It took me the whole month of August to finally get back to my old self. Needless to say I stabilized at 200mgs and 20mgs of Paxil and I'm doing great. It will definately get better and I know it's hard sometimes to feel that, but it will!!! I did't want to cut back anymore, to much going on with family visits and the holidays are coming up. If any doctor suggests taking Abilify, Hell NO, Don't take it. It made my blood pressure go up which can be a side effect. When they tell you what could happen, it scares the S**T out of me, NO Thanks. Good luck to you both and I believe you'll feel better soon.

Jenny from August 27th, Lamictal and the herb you mentioned combining was okay for awhile then suddenly started having panic attacks. Never had a panic attack smoking and taking SSRI's, Good Luck if you decide to do it, everyone's different. I currently have stopped doing it :)

By the way, to direct Ana to something she said at a different posting today (Sept 16) about my never providing any clinical aid, no one has referred to my prior posting here on July 1, 2008, that gave one idea how to taper a medication like Lamictal. Not that I am THE authority how to get off meds, but I find it interesting and fascinating that people are coming to this posting asking for medical direction, and by my review, none of the participants have a medical or clinical backround to provide such direction.

So, to you, Sally, that is possible malpractice by non-clinicians; subject to a violation of the good samaritan laws of some states? I don't know, and I really do not care. But, you seem so bent to report me to authorities. Care to start with some of your peers? You started this debate, so don't tell me this is all my fault I speak to you directly on this issue. Again, direct me to past postings I am in error, and I will acknowledge it. I have, and will in future times as fairly corrected, say I was wrong. Can you?

I'll be waiting for the facts, or acknowledgement.

hi im back on 12.5mgs of lamictal on day 10 i havent driven in 11 days and i have incredible sensitivity to sound on day 11 out of work every noise seems so loud to me im wandering when this will leave me and i can get back to work if anyone goes on a benzo like xanax and they suddenly stop alot of same symptoms has anyone had sweats and i got to day 14 before i went back on very thirsty kept drinking water thats over now if you look on symptoms of stopping benzo alot of same symptoms

Linda, I have had the same withdrawal symptoms tapering off of Xanax, Prozac, and Seroquel. Hang in there, it will get better. Just knowing it's withdrawals helped me know there was an end to it eventually. Anedotal stories give comfort where we often are alone in the suffering of real physical anguish.

I am glad I found this site. I have had bi-polar for 8years. I have been off all medication for about 2years. Was on Seroquel and Wellburin for about 3 years before going off of all medication. I had develop diabeties while on seroquel. When I discovered it effected your blood sugar I decide to come off everything and try life without medication. I was able to work thru alot of stuff w/family help. But now I am having problems. My doctor wants to start me on Lamital 12.5 and slowly increase it. I have alot of allergies to medications, so I have been look up what the side effects are w/lamital. I couldn't believe them. I'm not sure I should even try Lamital. Any sugesting?

Hi Deborah,

I'm not a doctor and don't try to pretend I'm one but I've taken all kinds of meds and researched enough crap that I hope I don't sound like I'm full of myself but I sometimes feel like I can tell the doctor what's up before they tell me. Anyways, if you don't mind me asking you which bi-polar did you have, 1 or 2.
my doctor told me the same thing that i was bi-polar and I just didn't feel like I fit the symptoms. I had really bad PMDD before my periods so for 2 weeks I was in a great mood and about 1 or 2 weeks out of the month I was depressed, felt like jumping out of my skin, hated noise and people to, etc. I had a male doctor, he didn't catch on, so I was bi-polar. Did you tell your doctor about all the meds you are allergic to? If it's okay to ask, what problems are you having? I would be leary about the lamictal. Maybe another doctor's opinion would be good. I take 200mgs right now and don't want to back off anymore since i have stabilized. I have other comments explaining my situation on this site. Are you allergic to other antidepressants. I'm not pushing taking meds but I know I can't go without them :( If your not comfortable taking lamictal then really question the situation. Let me just say this, from what I have learned about lamictal is that you may be okay with a smaller dose and have no reaction like the dreaded rash they mention but sometimes after they raise your dosage you can suddenly start having side effects and they may not show up right away and then you may have the downward spiral of coming off of it if you have to. Everybody of coarse has a different chemical makeup but after reading this website you can see it's not to promising coming off of it. Sorry if I sound so negative but if you have a problem with allergic reactions I would really think about this one. Hope everything works out for you and take care!!! Doctors are smart but they lack commonsense sometimes!

Deborah,
I've been on meds for 13 years, currently going through withdrawal. I don't know if I'll have problems once this stuff is out of my system (diagnosed with Major Depression in '95). I've read several of Dr. Peter Breggin's books for help getting off the meds but he also mentions and has books about real help (other than meds) for even the most severe mental illnesses like schizophrenia.
If I have problems later (once the meds are gone), I have more of an idea of what therapy should be and hope that there actually is help out there. ALL the meds affect so much more than we were told (blood sugar, hair, memory, etc).

Theresa, Thanks for the encouragement.
You said you went from 400 to 200mgs Lamictal. I've seen many people diagnosed with Bipolar on these high doses and it's driving me crazy because this is what the GSK Rx label(2006) says for Bipolar: "The target dose of LAMICTAL is 200 mg/day (100 mg/day in patients taking valproate, and 400 mg/day in patients taking Carbamazepine, phenytoin, phenobarbital, primidone, or rifampin). In the clinical trials, doses up to 400 mg/day as monotherapy were evaluated, however, no additional benefit was seen at 400 mg/day compared to 200 mg/day." The meds listed are other AEDs and an antibiotic.
It also says, if a patient is discontinued due to a rash they shouldn't restart it. I see people say their doctors prescribed it AGAIN all the time. What's the deal! I guess they don't want to read all 58 pages. I think taking the oath, "First do no harm" has been forgotten.
Linda, Can you tell, I'm furious with the Docs and GSK too! Hang in there. I don't have the issue with noise like I use to. I had that really bad while taking Vyvanse and Dexadrine. I would yell at my kids for every sound they made. I have issues with my sense of smell coming back. Even good smells like laundry detergent make me sick.

Wow! I am so glad I have found this page. I had been on 300mg Lamictal for over a year until just 2 1/2 weeks ago. I was down and out for the first several days, couldnt stay awake or really move. I now am having all of the signs you all have described here, and when I asked my Dr. about it he was clueless. I would never have agreed to take this stuff had I known the withdrawl would be so painful. Perhaps a page like this one with a collection of different voices will give pause to those in the medical field who seem to prescribe these meds without the knowlege they should possess on topics as crucial as withdrawl. I have decided to take back control of my own mental health firstly by getting back my body to be clear enough to work on my mind.

~Hanna~

"Perhaps a page like this one with a collection of different voices will give pause to those in the medical field who seem to prescribe these meds without the knowlege they should possess on topics as crucial as withdrawl."

Oh gosh, Hanna. Don't bet on it.

How I wish...

PS: Good luck with your withdrawal. Folks here can recommend blogs to read and offer info based on their experience. My withdrawal from medication was abrupt: I had a gall bladder operation, forgot to take the meds and never went back to them. Recovering from the horror show that was surgery provided ample distraction from any withdrawal symptoms. I don't suppose you still have your gall bladder, do you? (joking, it was no picnic, trust me)

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! I just got out of the hospital after a 10-day stay during which I stated that I wanted to be washed out of all meds. I'm still taking Atavan and Nexium but the clomiprimine and lamictal are no more. I thought I'd be dizzy for a few days and that was it...HA!

I've been on so much crap for severe depression and PTSD that I thought a wash-out would be good. During the stay, I had a 'rage' episode for which I needed some Haldol. That was a new one...

Anyway, I am home after ten days and have been so very nauseous, dizzy, diarrhea-ridden, sleepy, and prone to crying that I started to look online to see if it was just me or it was the meds. Thanks, Lamictal for these horrible withdrawal symptoms! I think that the thing that makes me the most angry is that the psych who followed me while I was an inpatient said he thought that there was 'something' going around in response to my complaints of feeling so sick. I now know what is going around- ignorance and stupidity.

Hi Becky,

I was happy to hear from you. How are you feeling other than the sense of smell you mentioned? How are you doing with other withdrawal symptoms? I think about everyone on this website and feel for all of you. My friends and family tried to be supportive and I appreciated them for it but unless someone experiences what we have gone through first hand they just don't know and understand what it feels like to be in our shoes. It is a good feeling to be able to be in the company of others who feel the same feelings and can support one another. I hope you are starting to feel better. When I told the new doctor I am seeing that I was on 400mgs of lamictal she responded with, that's a pretty high dosage and to me acted like she was thinking, "What the hell was the other doctor thinking". I made have read her wrong but all I know is what she said and the expression on her face. I know that I was easily aggitated and irritable a lot on the 400 and your right, it didn't do anymore good for me than a smaller dose. I have had bouts of major depression and panic attacks and don't let me forget to mention OCD since I was 12yrs old and I'm turning 50 next month. I'm not crying the blues, no pun intended :) because I know that there are a lot of us out there and how hard and how debilitating it is to suffer from mental illnesses. I saw my mom go through it when I was growing up. She was in and out of psychiatric wards for a long time. Last month I felt like I should check myself in to one. I had crying spells at work and wandered around outside like a lost soul. At home I felt anxiety and was anticipating when my next panic attack might come. I had to take xanax to sleep or I would have been up all night. When I reached 200mg of lamictal I wasn't stable yet because I was still having the withdrawals so when I saw my new doctor I had asked her to put me on zoloft thinking it would help my anxiety, I about flipped out and went down pretty quick, head was in a constant state of foggyness, felt like I couldn't grasp reality. It was then when I had the big panic attack. The next day I went to the doctor crying and said I can't take it anymore, God I need help. I went on Paxil 20mgs and 2 weeks later I started to respond to it and felt less and less anxious. I have read some negative things from some on this website and I do understand their reaction to it. I know some gals that take zoloft and do great. I'm probably going on and on to much but I like to share things that others might be able to feel a bond with. Please keep in touch with me and let me know how you are doing!!!! I want to hear you say that you are doing great!!! :) and that goes for everyone else to who would like to share. Best Wishes For You and All, Theresa

Theresa, thanks for asking. I'm not doing so good yet. I had to quit my job. I couldn't come up with any more excuses for not being able to get there on time. The truth is; It's a HUGE ordeal to get ready for work. Not due to depression but due to cognitive issues. It's like I've forgotten how to put an outfit together and do my make up and hair. It's so hard to explain. I can't shop for clothes or food, can't cook. These things have been going on for a while and have gotten worse with withdrawal. You're right about people that haven't been through anything like this. And my mom wants to know, "What's new?"

wow - finding y'all is such a relief----------

in 1994 (same time as you, jamie), in a tucsan, az recovery retreat, doctors diagnosed ptsd too, theresa, (from childhood trauma - another sermon) and guessed, not diagnosed, bipolar. they prescribed lithium as if i were. physical reactions were severe. various "coctails" after that included wellbutrin, maoi's, prozac, klonopin, zoloft, xanax, elavil, pamelor and more, not necessarily in that order. eventually, three years or so ago, settled on effexor sr and lamictal, both gradually increased to 300mg a day - still prescribing as if i were bipolar. i thought i was so fragile, rather than question, i assumed they were right----------

i'm an art professor. one of my students and i used to laugh about how many times i would fall (thanks chris, stephanie, leslie - it's only now after all that time that i can stop fearing something else like seizures, degenerating knees, vision scramble or something - unless . . .) during that time. just suddenly, anywhere, walk - walk - walk -BAHZZ down on all fives - face last. not often, but too often -- and "without the 'oh i'm gonna fall' part of falling"----------

there were more oddities, for instance an immenselyly amusing version of dyslexia, but none so damaging - physically i mean----------

i'm an artist, and i don't need to tell any of you how your creative fires wane on these meds. i haven't finished a painting or written an article or exhibited my work for three years. that's enough. i'm not going to relinquish another single day to that devastating non-life. God gave me my art; medication took it away; i want it back. so last year, i quit my job (couldn't see med-withdrawal, putting my great students at risk -- not to mention department and univesity committees, political responsibilities, a sometimes toxic work environment, clingers, climbers and back-stabbers, etc.), besides, i was just solvent enough, and, with doc agreement, have slowly withdrawn over almost a year----------

(back in '95 i continued in therapy for early childhood trauma for a few months to my relief, and these years later tests finally confirm a type of moderate depression, and eliminated possibility of bipolar and improper medication.)

as of this week, i have poured out 2/3 of my 75mg effexor capsule and have broken my 150mg lamictal in half. (now, pretend i'm listing every single symptom again). it's a little more thrashing this time than the beginning of cutting doses. (and those dreeeeeeams). doc told me to call if i needed, and i just might have -- except i found you guys (also our ex-effexor society). you must imagine how much it has strengthened me to identify and clarify the brain-changes - physical too - without panic---------- without calling the doc---------- it's possible i can go it without any new medication, ever---------- that's you. thanks----------

three interesting withdrawal symptoms for me---------- first, i think the one you call "brain freeze" - does it sound like a pale version of aluminum foil in the wind? (did she just spazz out?) no seriously, aside from the car-rear-window-bobbing-puppy-dog-head feeling, do you hear a faint sound? it's kind of entertaining, uh yeah well---------- second, after years of sparse and somewhat uninteresting dreams, the old scary, epic, exciting, complex, cryptic, enigmatic dreams are back, and i'm ecstatic----------

the third is, after so many years of a rather bizarre stoicism, this week, crying over a news article no less, was cleansing and welcome. believe it. imagine how many grateful sobs of relief and release i've cherished reading your postings----------

mine is a slighter story than yours i'm sure, though one doesn't measure sorrow by degrees---------- thanks, love and honor---------- God be with us ----------parker

parker, what a relief someone else has the falling thing I can relate to! it's quite interesting, because it really has no explanation i can find except to my addition of Lamictal, i honestly think it's a black out, because there just is no warning except once I am on the ground.

Good luck.

Becky,
Since coming here I'm beginning to realize that a lot of my "symptoms" have been the effect of medications. My life totally fell apart around 1990. I'd been depressed for years, but no one knew about PTSD in my rural state. I had to go to Boston to get diagnosed correctly. I remember Bessel van der Kolk telling me then "there is no medication that will help PTSD".

But I didn't want to hear that, to be honest. Here were all these docs *swearing* the pills would help. They didn't. In fact, I nearly died about 8 years ago from them.

Over the years I've learned to manage my PTSD symptoms. I got to the point where I could see the meds were robbing me of my emotions. In fact, they were a hindrance to any therapy I might want to do. Last year the docs *finally* noticed I have hypothyroidism. I've had it since I was in my late twenties, in fact. Treating that has taken away the dysthimia I've had for decades. I still have PTSD, SAD and intermittent bouts of truly frightening depression but I'm able to manage it all.

I'm now working part time in a job that's interesting and demanding. It's getting me back in touch with the competent person I once knew as myself.

The reason I'm writing all this is because I remember all too well being just where you are now. You really don't *have* to explain it to me and, I suspect, to some others here. Life was very difficult. It was hard to explain to people how I could be unable to tell time, spell, write, cook, etc., why I was unable to get out of the house, how I could suddenly get lost going to places I went all the time.

I went to a nature photography workshop today. In a town 40 minutes away. I used to own a lovely Olympus SLR camera, with fancy lenses, etc. I had to trade it in for a digital for dummies because I was unable to remember how to use it. It took me over two years to be able to snap a picture in dummy mode with the new camera.

I was astonished today to realize I understood most of what the instructor and other students were talking about. My memory wasn't the best in the class (hey, I'm 60, whaddaya want?), but it wasn't total wipeout as it once was. In short, I've recovered cognition I thought was lost forever. Oh, and I enjoyed the class. It was incredibly relaxing, especially when we went out in the field, roaming around taking pictures.

So don't give up hope. You don't know how this will sugar off for you. Take the best possible physical care of yourself (without beating up on yourself, just do what you can). Each step you make towards health is a step in the right direction.

Best wishes,
Sherry

hi Becky sorry to hear you quit your job Im almost 3wks out of work havent driven in 15days back on 12.5mg Lamictal 13 days I had to tell my job generally whats going on with me kinda embarassing thank God i have sick time i would luv to get back to work this coming week all this from taking lamictal 12.5 for 6 days and then stopping I guess i should have known better messing with mood stabilizer i weened myself off of 50mg paxil to 25mg over aver a few yrs and currently take 100mg seroquel when i tried this Lamictal i found itmade me hyper and emotional and thats why i stopped it but i mean i functioned so after reaching day 14 it scared the hell out of me uncontrollable crying jags so i went back on anyway sorry to babble but it helps to vent It will one day be common knowlege that lamictal can have HORRIFIC withdrawal

Sherry,
THANK YOU! Your comments helped me tremendously over the weekend. I WAS beating myself up. I’m a little less fearful now too that the cognitive problems are permanent. I had it in my head that if I had a couple of weeks off, my brain would function enough to get organized and get all the things done that never get done then miraculously by week 2 I’d be back to normal, polish up my resume and viola! When the week ended and I hadn’t made it upstairs to clean, etc. I began to panic. I got lost (well, forgot where I was going) on Friday too!
I have hypothyroidism too. I was luckier than you though. The 1st psychiatrist I saw suggested I get that checked. Unfortunately, it was still after being put on Zoloft & Dexadrine.
Linda,
Thank you too. I hope you’re feeling better. I think you’re right, eventually withdrawal will be known. I hope the long term effects of taking these meds will be known too. When I went to the doctor because I was depressed, I was 24, had two little kids and an alcoholic husband. I needed guidance and direction and to change my circumstances. However, I was told I had a “chemical imbalance” and that antidepressants had no side effects other than those that would subside in a few days. HA!

Thanks so much for all of this information.


I was tapered from 300mg/d to ZERO in a five day taper. So many of the things you all are listing are problems I've had or I have bu didn't realize were drug related. When you are so 'messed up,' you just assume that everything bad is because of the problems you have... The drugs are supposed to be the "cure" after all...

Has anyone been really itchy? I've been itchy for a few days now and have gone to extremes to try to stop the itching. I've been at zero for eight days now and the withdrawal effects don't seem to be letting up yet. I have to be really careful what I eat as the diarrhea is still as virulent as ever. The dizziness is still there but isn't quite as bad as it was.

One good note: my husband said I wasn't whimpering in my sleep yesterday morning. I have had horrible nightmares (sometimes night 'terrors') for a few years now and would wake screaming in fright and whine/whimper in fear as I slept as well. I don't remember the last time I had a pleasant or even neutral dream. The fact that the whimpering wasn't there (for even one night) is progress.

I'm grateful that I've found this site. I know I'm not totally alone in this now. Thanks.

Wow Susie. That is a fast. I don't think you can even call it a taper! I think the only reason to go that fast would be due to a rash or pregnancy. I'm scared to death to stop this last 12.5mgs I've been on for almost a month because I know whats ahead. Everytime I hold off for a few hours I get a debilitating headache. Just keep in mind; if things don't get better soon or they get worse, withdrawal symptoms really can be long and hard. Hit some of the links and you can find info on nutrition and tapering suggestions. And what always helps me most; reading other peoples similar experiences. It's kept me sane, sort of.

I never had the itching but on Askapatient.com there are 1000+ posts and MANY of them list itching (pruritus, paresthesia, etc.)they call it by lots of different names on the label that no layperson would know (unless they get obsessed and start looking everything up, like me). Lot's of people listed NIGHTMARES too. I don't know what I would have done if I had nightmares. I can't even watch scary commercials!

Becky,
Thank you for your thank you. It really was quite heartening to find myself able to do something I never thought I'd be able to do again.

Best wishes,
Sherry

Hello,

My girlfriend just started taking limictal about 1 month ago ( 2 weeks on 25mg then increased to 50mg for 2 weeks). She has had the most severe neck pain, we have been to the ER 4 times now in two weeks (the docs there thinks she's a drug addict), two of the times she was given a shot of toradol, that did help for a day or two, but then back to the pain. Well we are trying to wean her off this, she went down to 25mg for four days then 12.5mgs for the next fours. She is on the first day of the 12.5mgs. She has had nightmares, and hallucinations very bad. She does nothing but sleep, which i think is best, but after doing some reading on the withdrawl symptons, i think we are trying to cut down too quick, even though she has only been on this a month. any comments would be helpful.

whats worse. ZXanax or lamictal withdrawal.

to mark above:

both & neither: it depends on the person, dose, length of use, and psychological acceptance to end the use. Benzo withdrawal can have risks of lethality at high doses, usually due to consequences of withdrawal seizures and/or exacerbations of medical conditions that are driven by the withdrawal reaction: I once had a patient who almost had an MI/heart attack after abrupt d/c of xanax abuse.

I haven't seen or read about it, but Lamictal being in the antiseizure class could also cause withdrawal seizures with abrupt d/c. My big complaint with this drug is the ridiculous overprescribing dosages: I have seen 100-200mg have the intended affect WITH therapy in place, and I much prefer staying at or lower than 100mg/day. Remember, this is a drug that HAS to be titrated at 25mg a WEEK to start it, so what moron(doctor) would taper a patient any more than that if the patient is on 100mg+ and on it more than 6 months?

Hope this helps.

therapyfirst(board Cert Psych MD)

Jim,
I was hoping someone more qualified (not necessarily a doctor) would have responded by now. I don’t want to give specific advice because everyone is SO different. Plus, I was on Lamictal for 6 years. I started tapering off in March and probably won’t be done for another few weeks. However, I’ve recently read a few stories from people (some on this page) that took a very low dose for a very short time and it seemed their withdrawal lasted longer than the time they took the drug. This stuff is crazy and unbelievable. It’s nice to see someone being so supportive and understanding. Best of luck to you both

I am so glad that I found this site.
I have battled depression since I was 18 years old, at least that's when I first started being treated for it!!! I had an alcoholic father, who I believe had many issues such as depression as well, who later passed away at the age of 46, when I was 20, from Lung Cancer. I feel that only added to my many issues and depression. I was on so many different meds through out the years, Celexa, Wellbutrin, Effexor, Prozac, Paxil and for the past few years Lexapro which I actually liked the best. I also take Klonopin .5 mg's when I need it, which I usually cut in half, unless it's before bed to help me sleep. About a year ago a new psych that I went to put me on Lamictal and I couldn't handle the side effects so I stopped and went back to the Lexapro. About 6 months ago the Lexapro wasn't working, I was out of work and VERY depressed. All I did was sleep all day, or lay around and didn't even have the energy to shower, a person who when feeling good was always worrying about clothes, hair, makeup etc. I was also very skinny before battling depression!!! Well I had no job and no insurance and luckily found someone who was a member of a beach club where my ex boyfriend worked and agreed to see me for free!!! He seemed to really know what he was talking about, graduated very young, and basically seems to be a genius. He suggested that it sounded like I had Atypical depression with some symptoms of Bipolar disorder because of severe mood swings, and basically being a bitch! Would go from being happy, to crying to wanting to bite someone's head off!! I thought that was basically hormones and from the depression! Well he said he felt that the antidepressants were harming me more than helping so he had me wean off of the Lexapro and starting on Lamictal. I was up to 150mg's and at first when starting it was very sick, but got better. For a while I was feeling better took it at night and was able to sleep, had alot more energy and could actually accomplish things! That was about 6 months ago. Since, 4 months ago I moved to North Carolina because I couldn't find a job, boyfriend couldn't deal with my moods anymore, and I had no choice but to move here to my Mom's. I've since gotten a job and got insurance and went to a new psych since the meds stopped working and was feeling depressed and anxious again! Aside from the fact that I gained over 15 pounds, and got horrible acne from the meds, including on my neck and chest, and big bumps that were hard like.
Needless to say I didn't want to take it anymore and brought myself down to 1/2 (75 mgs) than to half of that. The doctor I went to wasn't even really listening to what I was saying, and just prescribed me Cymbalta and told me to just stop the Lamcital when I brought up the side effects that all of the psychs claim Lamictal doesn't have he said to go down slowly. I didn't take anything last night, and feel HORRIBLE. Dizzy, flu-like and the blurred vision is even worse than when I was taking it. Feel SO anxious, can't concentrate, have a horrible headache, and don't know how I am going to make it through another day of work! Who wants to tell their boss that they have mental issues!!!! People who haven't been through it just can't understand it! Aside from that, the Cymbalta was horrible, so I stopped it immediately, after about 4 days, my doctor than had his secretary tell me to come pick up samples of a different med, and they almost gave me something for scizophrania in error, geat office huh? Than gave me Pristiq which I took once, and almost fell asleep at my desk at work!!!! Haven't taken it since I'm scared of more side effects added to the withdrawal symptoms of the Lamictal. Not sure what to do, I don't want to be depressed, I can't think straight, can't function, can't see straight and feel just horrible!!!!! Same symptoms as everyone else and have to be at work when all I want to do is go home and get in, all I want to do is sleep, and no matter how much I do still don't feel rested!
I am sick of these meds, sick of side effects and sick of withdrawals and doctors who just keep giving you more and more. I would love for them to take them and see how it feels! Sorry for the long babbling, just very confused and fed up! Will I ever feel better, or be normal???? Does everyone in this world need to be on meds to get by and take meds on top of meds????

I wanted to give an update for anybody out there who tapered Lamictal due to pregnancy.

I tapered before we started trying...didn't want to risk anything. I felt GREAT until the 5th month of my pregnancy. I definitely had the thoughts like maybe I am not bipolar at all, and don't need medication.

It was about week 20 of my pregnancy, and everything came back fast and furious. I am a rapid cycler, so one day up, next day down, repeat. Exhausting.

After speaking with my doctor, I am going to try my best to hold out until the baby is born, then the DAY he is born, I will start to take it again. I won't be able to breastfeed, but who knows what kind of mother I would be if I didn't try to help myself ASAP.

Some other information that my doctor told me: women with bipolar are 99% likely to have postpartum depression, unless they have some kind of plan in place for after delivery. Also, she said that with this postpartum depression often comes psychotic episodes. yikes!

I hope this helps somebody out there =) It was very difficult for me to find any information about pregnancy and bipolar.

my husband was taken down from 100mg to 50 mg. last month with no withdrawl. the only possible one was he was a little tired 2 days and then it was over. Today, his psych. lowered it again to 25 mg and his paxil cr to 12.5. I don't know if we should wait on the paxil for 1 month to see how he does with the 25 mgs.of Lamictal or just go ahead and reduce both. any advice would be appreciated.

Janette,
the most conservative and cautious and therefore, safest, way to go in my opinion, is one drug at a time...and you want to wait a couple of weeks between tapers...withdrawal symptoms have been known to creep up a full month after a taper...

some people, and your husband maybe one of these folks, don't have a horrible time coming off meds...so again, the above is said with the caution I've come to espouse after seeing hundreds suffer horribly because they were not among the lucky and being conservative would have saved them a lot of pain.

thanks Gianna. If we should start seeing any withdrawl effects would it be safe to say that it is coming from dropping down to 25 mgs or is it that it is just taking that long to have them? then what should we do? ride it out or go back to 50 mgs or 100 mgs. I don't think he really needed this med anyway, he was having alot of guilt about something he had done when he was put on it.Once the info was out his whole attitude changed. He really wants to come off of it because he stays sleepy all of the time.24 hours of sleep would not be enough for him. He has nodded off while driving many time and almost went over a mountain drop off. Not good. I hope and pray that this drop in dose goes as good as the other.

Hi Becky and Theresa

Thanks for responding, sorry for the long wait for a response. The last few weeks have been very upside down.
The doctors never side if I was a 1 or 2. The problems I have, is my mind never shuts down, is constantly going, I have problems sleeping, I give very depressed and go into a shell, or I have alot of energy and am repainting my whole house. When I was told I had bi-polar, it was like a person screaming in my head, even though I know it was just me, my thoughts would be so loud.
As far as allegies, I am allegic to Zoloft, Geodon, I itch, I am also allegic to Demerol, Anti-Inflamitory medication with them I go into antiflatic shock(I think thats a close spelling)and it seems with each new medication lately I have had a reaction to it. The problem I have had lately is very moody from day to day. Alot of the time not know why. Thank you for both of you taking the time to respond.

Hi,
It has been 6 days since I last wrote. I am feeling a bit better, but not great. I am now down to about 18.75 mg's of Lamictal because the pills I have are 150 mg's and I have been breaking them down so that I don't have to get a new script and have many pills left. I started on Pristiq about 5 days ago and have been very anxious, and having HORRIBLE headaches. I have also been very very tired. I could fall asleep right now as I am at work, and have such a bad headache, that by the time I get home from work I just want to lay down!!!
Does anyone know if that is still from the Lamictal withdrawals, or possibly from the Pristiq??
Any advice would be great!!!

I've been off of Lamictal for 2.5 weeks (300mg to zero in a 5-day inpatient taper) and now and have some good feedback.



Here are the side effects I've been going through with the withdrawal: lots of itchiness (even had to buy Vagisil), diarrhea, dizziness, exhausting, hard time sleeping, crying @ the drop of a hat, irritability, extreme moodiness, meaner than normal when I'm mean, lack of total bladder control, upset stomach (sticking to bland foods), severe headaches (800mg ibuprofen doesn't knock them out), and a twitch in my eyelid muscle.


On the good side, my cravings for sugar have gone from a 10 to a 1!!! Yeah! I am finally sleeping without the horrible nightmares/night terrors every 'sleeping' minute!

I'm still having problems but have seen some positives finally. Maybe some of this extra weight will go since the sugar cravings are gone thus far.

I see the Psych on Saturday so we'll see what he says. The plan (when I left the hospital) was to put me on Prozac when I saw him again but I think I'm going to tell him that that I'm not going to take anything until I'm done with symptoms of this withdrawal. I'm still taking the Atavan when I'm flipping out and 2mg at night to sleep but it's only that, Nexium, and Allegra right now. The ibuprofen is there for the headaches but no more psych drugs for now. I'm so exhausted (physically and mentally) from the last few weeks that I'm done for now.

Teresa,
I don’t think there's any way to know whether it is withdrawal, side effects from a new Rx or an interaction between them when you’re doing both at the same time. I read your previous post and can relate to a lot of what you’re going through.
I would recommend reading; “Your drug may be your problem” by Dr. Peter Breggin. It was helpful to me and fairly easy to understand. However, if any one knows of any other books that are helpful and in laymen’s terms, please post (for both our sakes). I know how hard it can be comprehending information with all this stuff going on (withdrawal, side effects, headaches, everyday life!). But I think it’s important to arm yourself with as much information as you can before/while trying to get help.
ABOUT YOUR DOCTOR: If he wasn’t listening to you on your first visit, (as a new potentially frequent customer) it’s not going to get better. It’s like when you go to a hair salon; they always take more time and try their best on your first visit because they want you to come back. Later, they get a little lazy and aren’t as careful because they think they have your business no matter what. Almost giving you the wrong medication is a huge red flag also. However, they are starting to give that medication for schizophrenia (Risperdal, Zyprexa) to everyone for everything; it might not have been an accident. Either way, Big RED FLAG!

Becky-
Thank you SO much for responding!!! I def need to find a new doctor and I am going to look some up this weekend and call for an appt. It's hard to find the energy to do things other than work when I feel this way, as I am sure you know. I reall do need to though!! It's scary how these doctors just prescribe things like they are candy, without really even listening or taking the time to know what they are treating!!!
I know that right now I have a headache, feel dizzy, my vision is VERY blurred and I can not concentrate or think straight at all!! I've been saying and doing really stupid things! I have been SOOOOO tired that all I want to do after work is go home and go to bed!!!!! Thank you for your recommendation on the book, I will def read it! I'm open to anything, sick of these meds, sick of changing meds, and sick of being SICK and still anxious!!!!

The horrible headaches were the biggest reason it took me over 7 months to taper.

Susie, 300 to 0 in 5 days sounds dangerous, even as in patient! Please keep in mind that withdrawal can last a long time and sometimes symptoms start later because of Lamictal’s long half-life.
I don't say that to be negative. I'm glad you're seeing positives and I think you have a good plan.
I say it so you are aware; if your headaches and crying, etc. persist or other things come up its highly likely to be withdrawal for a while and not that you need to be on medication for life because of mental illness. Your psych may not tell you that tomorrow and his/her plan MAY be different (based on his/her needs, not yours).
Best Wishes.

I saw my psych today and I have some good news. He agreed with me that I shouldn't go on any other drugs right now. Yeah! He ordered blood tests b/c of the diarrhea and I apparently have microcytic anemia per the blood tests in the hospital. He called me with the results at noontime but I wasn't home. I guess I'll find out on Monday. Maybe the anemia is partial explanation of the tiredness...

Thanks, Becky, for the info. What other side effects could arise? What should I look out for? I read somewhere that Lamictal can be like illegal drugs in that you can get "flashbacks" years later. Is that true? If so, what causes it? What kinds of “flashbacks” are there supposed to be? Just curious...this is nasty stuff.

I did tell my psych that this is nasty stuff. I said I'm sure it helps some people but it's nasty stuff all the same.

Cheers.

For what it is worth, I have come here so often to read what people are commenting on, and all I can say is if you write here for advice, there are no qualified people to give you direction on how to get off meds. So, if you want to put your trust in non-clinicians, you get what you put your faith in!!!

no disrespect TF but given that docs are in denial about withdrawal issues with lamictal, i'd say non-clinician advice is pretty damn good.

None taken. I just hope you and the readers appreciate the tone of some of these writers who seem a bit desperate for advice/direction, and if someone offers an opinion that goes sour, well, in this day and age, someone has to be accountable, god forbid it would be the person who does not use common sense in the first place.

As I have said in the past, any med that requires a titration to an effective dose should be tapered in similar fashion. I feel the July 1 posting works for the majority of patients I have applied it, I am sorry it is not perfect for everyone. If someone struggles, so go slower. I also said I do not believe Lamictal should be used for most people above 100-200mg a day. That is the question I propose readers consider and ask the prescriber why go higher.

This comment is for you, Mr Dawdy, so any readers who would like to debate further, I apologize for writing but wanted to note this to Philip and the general readership; I will not write further.

I hope Nemeroff really is gone!

TF,
Why would anyone trust the word of the very people who put them on this stuff? This isn't about you as a professional and This is not meant to knock your advice; it's a serious question.

Trusting the very profession that puts so many people on so many of these drugs, the very profession that refuses--when it comes to cases--side effects and withdrawal syndromes, seems a circular logic at best. At worst it seems dangerous. It makes a LOT more sense to most of us here to listen to people who've been successful in tapering off and staying off medications.

We've had our problems in communicating in the past, TF, but I hope you can understand that I'm asking a serious question here, not trying to bash you as a professional. You may be great at helping people withdraw. But, if so, you are not at all typical of your colleagues. So what are we to do--trust the very people who've caused the problem to get us out of it?

By the way, I was astonished when I started on thyroid medication to have the doctor listen to me, readily agree I was having side effects and advise me to cut back and build up more slowly. This very same doctor and his staff pooh-poohed me when I had the same problems with psychotropics. Doctors behave very differently when a medication is for something "physical" as opposed to psychotropics. So I don't find GPs much help in this arena, either.

(For the record, I first noticed the fact that "a little goes a long way" with me when I was taking illegal drugs in the sixties. Everyone else would take a tab of acid and have a nice little trip. I'd take a third of a tab and travel to Mars for several days. Nope, not my brightest moment, for sure. Maybe it's because I simply never take anything but I seem to not need as much of anything as most people to get a big effect.)

I'm hoping you'll allow this to be a conversation instead of perceiving my question as an attack. I have my fingers crossed on your behalf. I repeat: I am not your enemy.

Thanks Philip! I'm very careful about my responses. I don't say, "You should do this or do that". I'm going to leave it at that, I'd hate to see this thread turn into an argument. I’ve found it and your site extremely helpful in countless ways.

Susie, I'm soo happy he agreed and ordered blood tests. I'm actually tearing up over it! I had low serum ferritin (iron storage) that was missed for a long time, despite 35 bruises that wouldn’t go away and about 30,000 strands of hair lost.

FYI: Anemia is listed in the 2006 Lamictal label on page 16 and 38 (Pg 38 lists as Rare: Anemia, iron deficiency anemia and macrocytic anemia).

I’ve never heard of flashbacks. Maybe that’s if you had hallucinations or nightmares. I also haven’t been off for that long. I took my last 12.5mg on 9/25/08.

As for other things that could arise; it’s so different for everyone. For example; What bothers ME most is concentration and cognitive dysfunction. Although, I don’t know if it’s withdrawal or damage I didn’t notice before. YOU mentioned your eye twitching. It could be ANYTHING since the drug was affecting our body and minds “command center” (got that from a book :-)
If I experience something and think it could be a side effect, I go to askapatient.com. It reassures me that I’m not crazy. So far, there's always been someone who has experienced what I was. I wouldn't worry about or look for what might happen, just keep it in the back of your mind in case something comes up that concerns you. Of course, now you also need to know what comes with microcytic anemia. FUN!

Therapyfirst, people are here because they've been fucked over by their "professional clinicians." That's the point. Talking to other people who've been the same withdrawal symptoms is a valuable source of advice. How insecure are you? Having a piece of paper on your wall signifies not very much.

And, Sally, I have to disagree with your comment above. I'm bipolar. If I speed in my car, that's a psychiatric symptom. But I know what you're saying.

This is a very good thread!
I found a lot of help when I was tapering Effexor on Charles Medawar Socialaudit discussion board.
It's a pity it's not open.
There are many testimonies of people withdrawing and psychiatrists not helping them.
I had no help from any psychiatrist.
During Paxil, Seroquel, Topamax, Lammictal, Neurontim and Klonopin withdrawal - yep, withdrew all them together - the psychiatrist that was helping me said: "-It's not withdrawal. It's all in your head. It's psychological."
She didn't even had experience withdrawing Topamax. I took this drug when it was launched and she never helped anyone withdrawing from it.
She simply didn't know about withdrawal symptoms and... didn't trust my words.
That's ok! I KNEW it was withdrawal and that is the important.
The only thing I regret was letting her prescribe me Effexor after reaching the end of withdrawing all this drugs.
Since she assumed that I was "depressed" not because of withdrawal but because I was clinically depressed... Effexor.
Please TF!
Go to hell!
This is a very important topic and you should respect people here.
You have already disrespected many people on Furious Seasons.
Please!
Open your blog and let people alone!
As you once said to a person:
GET A LIFE!

I hope this thread does not end up like some others where people had to answer aggressions from so-called psychiatrists.
Some people who likes to share ideas with other people who suffered the same sometimes stop coming here because of these aggressions.
What these "psychiatrists" have to say we already know and have heard it from real psychiatrists in real world and suffered in our bodies and minds the terrible effects.
It would be terrible having to suffer the same aggression again.

I told Philip I was not going to reply further, but I came back on and read Sherry's comment a couple of times, so if it is sincere in the statement:"...asking a serious question here, not trying to bash you as a professional.", I will offer my reply intended as support.

This comment isn't a revelation, but it applies so I repeat it again: trust is earned, as it goes by deeds, not words. In my OPINION, a responsible doctor should be advising all patients of risks/benefits, and that includes what are considered maximal doses of a medication in question. What I have not understood with Lamictal is what is the draw to use a drug that requires titration by 25mg increases every 7 days to get to an effective dose of about 100mg, when colleagues are now pushing the envelope to 300, 400mg from what some patients bring to my door of late. That is not just bizarre, it borders on absurd to me.

My real concern at this posting is people are writing in to ask how to get off prescription meds, and to my knowledge, while experience has value, you have to ask yourself does it provide reliability when I do not read many saying "go back to your doctor" for clinical support.

Please look at it this way: if someone goes off a drug and develops complications because they did not fully understand the recommendations via an internet site, who picks up the pieces here? The prescribing doc, who most likely wasn't aware of the decision to d/c (in my experience most patients who stop meds don't tell me first), people here at this site, who don't have a medical expertise from what I have read, or an ER doc who doesn't even know the patient and will most likely "band aid" the problem anyway?

You folks mean well, I do sense that. But, at the end of the day, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". Accept this or not, it's your call. I'm just letting you know it's a pain in the ass to pick up pieces when most of the time the incident could have been avoided with some honest, direct dialogue. If a patient is unhappy with a medication I prescribed, I would not expect him/her to stay on it. Other options will obviously be the next topic.

Hence, it comes back to my alias, therapyfirst!

I think a good number of patients would avoid these issues if that was put out there up front! Dialogue is a lot less invasive than drugs.

Be well.

Therapyfirst, perhaps one day you will understand how offensive you can be to some of us "folks." The reason we don't advise return to the prescribing doctor is because their advice tends to be trash. Thanks for checking in. My day wouldn't be the same without you.

THANK YOU! You just explained it all to yourself. Your "colleagues are putting patients on 300 and 400mg which is bizarre and absurd"! You call it, "pushing the envelope" I call it destroying peoples lives as you cash their check.
Hence, the reason we seek advice from people who don't have anything to gain from our pain. People may give advise that is not the best, but at least we don't give poison that messes up a persons body and mind without thinking twice about it.
I wonder why your patients don't tell you when they want to go off their meds? And if you think picking up the pieces when someone is in crisis is a "pain in the ass"...you need a new job.

All I have to say is, I don't think any of the psychiatrists I went to have a CLUE what they are talking about, and what they are giving people!
I have now had three doctors tell me that there are NO withdrawal symptoms from Lamictal, well BULLSHIT!!!! They are the WORST withdrwawal stymptoms that I have ever had from ANY other med! So for me to trust a psychiatrist at this point is NOT going to happen. I have a had a headache to the point of not being able to get out of bed for three days and have taken more advil and tylenol and everything else that you can imagine and it still did not go away, even with TAPERING!!!! I would love for these doctors prescrining the meds to take them and see how it feels to be put on and off of so many different meds, and the withdrawal symptoms, and than see how easy it is to say well since that's not working let's try this, sure let's just try it and see what happens, maybe you will freak out, get sick as hell, lose your job!!!!!! These meds are BULLSHIT and so are all of these incompetent doctors prescribing them!!!!! YES, I am VERY pissy because these doctor make me FN SICK!!!!!!!

Please Philip!
Don't let this thread turn into a battlefield created by TherapyFirst.
This person has already destroyed many discussions.
Not on this important topic!
We cannot take arrogance any longer.

Thank you, Becky.

So, I have created a battlefield by responding to a request from someone who has challenged me in the past, and now asked I reply to aid the debate here. Hmmm, Did I miss the yellow caution signs?

To the Fransescas, Ana, and the general S-crowd (I exclude Sherry and Stephany here with that term), thank you for the validation.

As I wrote to Philip personally, I don't get what is hostility/slander that deserves banning, and what is this anti-psychiatry bullshit too many here spew and gets validated by its printing.

Sherry asked my opinion, I offered it fairly, and now the usual folks (i.e. the usual suspects with their lame ass, ignorant, insensitive, hostile, holier-than-thou bullshit) come back to reveal there is no middle ground with a clinician. What did I write now that deserved this cry of unfairness and hostility? The word FOLKS!? No, this is about your projections! You antipsychiatrists don't want someone to make sense and offer fair and reasonable ideas, it only diminishes your skewed philosophies. Again, black and white is a color scheme that doesn't work in the real world.

Philip, my caution to you, this posting may bite you in the butt if things go as is. I hope I am wrong, but I have seen how good deeds do not go unpunished.

So, the Folks can go and wail. You didn't want a "battlefield", but yet you fired the first shot, again as usual. You are such a lame bunch. Attack as you will, that is your strength. And profound weakness. It only demeans and diminishes what this site can do. Of course, just my opinion. Sharks around here like to feed on those things, eh?

To all others, be well.

And I kick myself in the ass for commenting. It is all Nemeroff's fault for getting caught, my reading about it here, and getting excited. My good deed gets slashed. At least Carlat follows up on some of these topics too.

Try this lame ass bullshit at his site. Don't hold your breath waiting to see it printed!!!

Ana, I agree. I couldn't stop myself from responding yesterday but I don't think TF deserves anymore of our time and space.

Back to the important stuff! Teresa, I'm so sorry your head is still hurting. I never found any pain reliever that would help either. Hang in there!

Becky,
Thank you!! Headache not as bad today, but dizziness and nausea is HORRIBLE!! I am at work and don't know how much longer I can sit here without jumping out of my skin, I just want to lay down!! I hope that tomorrow is better!!!

Becky,
I don't even take a quick look on TF's comments. There's a lot of good information, nice people and a lot of ideas to exchange.
No time for trolls.

Withdrawal is a very important issue and people come here to share their experiences.

I'm appalled that so many people still claim their psychiatrists don't recognize withdrawal symptoms.
I believe only people who are stop smoking has the right to have withdrawal symptoms.

Teresa,
I'm very sorry. Becky is right about gathering as much information as you can.
Dizziness and nausea... if you're withdrawing these are normal withdrawal symptoms.
Go v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y!
Hope you get better.

TF, the only things you've had validated are your insecurity and arrogance. Yes, "folks" is a loaded term, especially in contrast to "clinicians." You refer to "the Francescas." To the best of my knowledge, I'm the only Francesca on this site. I gather the plural is another attempt to diminish. Offensive, again. Are you like this with your clients?

Teresa,
Hang in there - it is getting better for me so I hope it will get better for you as well. Strange thing...Pepto Bismol tablets seemed to really help my nausea and all when it was at its worst. When it started, I was still in the hospital and the psych who was on said that 'there is some stuff going around.' It was only after I got out of the hospital and found this site that I realized that my misery had reason- withdrawal and not 'something going around.'
That psych was a nice guy and I truly believe he meant well but he wasn't the one having to go through this crap, either. My mom means well but I don't pay her to be an expert as I had to pay him.

One would think that, as an inpatient on a psych ward, the medical care available would include care for withdrawal from these drugs. I am still disappointed (to use a very mild term) that I didn't receive complete and expert care. Anyplace else, I could go back and request a partial refund for shoddy service. After all, medicine is a service industry and physicians are the equivalents of auto mechanics. Unfortunately, it's a lot easier to have a light out in your car than one "out" in your head. :)

I personally like my psych. I think he's doing his best but I think that therapy is what I need to work on. I've had a very bad past couple of days and would be in the hospital again if I said much more about it... Then again, no one said that this whole depression/PTSD thing was easy. I just (Pollyanna here) wish none of us had to go through all of this. The drugs are supposed to help and I am sure that they help many people. The problem is that there are many like me who didn't realize how many problems were *caused* by the drugs until I got off of them.

Becky-
Do you know if the drug/anemia relationship is transient? I guess that, either way, it's not an issue with the drug since I've been off of it for 3+ weeks now and Saturday's blood tests still showed the small size of the cells. I don't really know much about this whole thing but I'll read about it. They are sending me the Hemoccult and the nurse said they'll put be on iron based on the Hemoccult result. I've probably always had this and it's just never been 'caught.' I've always bruised easily and never seem to have enough energy, so it's probably been with me for a long time. Oh well...just another drug to take... Thanks again for all of the help. It's nice to talk to those who have been there in body and spirit- not just in theory.

Susie, I didn't see the word "transient" where I saw that info on the label. However, I wouldn't rule it out after only 3 weeks off. How long did you take Lamictal? I know low iron storage is different but just to share my experience: all my bruises are gone now. I always bruised easily and had low energy too. Part of the reason I didn't make the connection or realize how bad it was for a long time.

I wouldn't rule out emotional withdrawal symptoms after that short period either. NOT saying depression & PTSD aren't issues; just thinking (and hoping for both our sakes) they could be intensified at this time while our bodies and brains are still re-adjusting.

Has anyone reading this been off Lamictal for 6 months or more? Anyone experiencing happiness without meds? Clear thinking? Feeling healthier? (I’m almost afraid to ask these questions). If no one answers, let’s just assume they’re all busy skipping through fields of flowers and laughing with friends.

I like the 'fields of flowers' theory... After reading about Lamictal on www.askapatient.com (thanks for the recommendation...) it scared me even more. Hopefully stuff will come back to me (and everyone else as well...)

Hi,
Thank you for your advice and thoughtfullness.
I took off of work today because I couldn't bare another day like yesterday, I was SO SICK all day and I just wanted to scream, or cry or both! My headache is back, but not quite as bad, although I feel dizzy and annoyed and my head feels weird, maybe the zapping sensations people talk about? I just want to feel better. The thought of going back to work tomorrow feeling this way makes me want to curl up in bed and cry! I can't stand to be around anyone and I can't think clearly enough to even get much accomplished at work. I'm already worried that I will get in trouble for not going in today!!! It's not fair :( I just went off of these meds making me feel this way, but I can't function as is. I want to exercise to see if that helps, but I don't have to the energy and I feel too sick to do so. I think I am going to get some good healthy foods and supplements and see if that works. I am also going to schedule a physical and blood work with my doctor to see if all of my levels are where they should be. I bruise VERY easiliy too, and they stay for a long time, also I am sensitive to anyone even poking me, it hurts. However, I went to the GYN a few weeks ago and they took blood and said my iron was where it should be. I just don't know! I want to see straight and not blurry, I want to think straight and I want this headache and dizziness to go away!!!!

hi guys im on 12.5 mg Lamictal 30 days still not back to work on leave 5 wks and why because I tried Lamictal for 6 days and went off HORRIFIC withdrawal The only way to get the word out about withdrawal is keep posting and educating m.d.s everytime I try to improve life I wind up much worse than original problem All m.d.s care about with AEDS is if you have seizures when you stop forget about headaches,nausea,crying jags,sound and light sensitivity fatigue,feeling out of control Paxil withdrawal is easier and with Paxil you know its Paxil withdrawal I had a similiar reaction in 1999 when i was put on depokote 1000mgs and m.d. took off to o mgs in 3 days again same symptoms How can docs be so ignorant I guess I should have known better for every person in withdrawal the family goes thru it with them IT IS NOT RIGHT

Hi Linda,
I am there with you. I had to take off of work yesterday, am back today and feeling so guilty as if I did something bad and am going to be repromanded for taking off of work. It's so hard to be here I wanna cry, panic, can't concentrate, know I don't seem as myself, and just tell everyone I've been sick!! Sick for sure, mentally sick!!!
This Lamictal is GOD awful! I can't stand the blurred vision, anxiety and feeling of worthlessness that I am going back and forth between. Not sure how I am going to function the next few days until the weekend! I feel for my family and boyfriend, as my moods are something that I can not even tolerate!!!! I go to a new Psych on Saturday and what do I do, try a new med because I am now so very anxious and depressed again? I'm scared to go down this road again.... Not sure what to do! Wish I could quit my job, but than how do I pay my bills.... Noone really truely understands what it's like unless you've been through it, and I can't just SNAP out of it!!!!!

Okay here it goes with regards to TF, I may get some negative responses to this but that's okay, I'm not that sensitive :) Some of you out there are attacking TF as if she personally was the evil one. Just because there are a lot of doctors out there that don't have a clue does not mean that she is one of them, in my opinion, for what it's worth. Opinions are like assholes and everybodies got one. I know I have one I use it everyday, sometimes twice a day!! To much info, that's me SORRY!! I have written about my personnel battle with withdrawals from Limictal on this website before and like most of you I experienced the same effects except for the headaches, didn't have that. I have had the same doctor for almost 10 years, trusted him and never had any issues with him until Lamictal. I was on 400mg a day and on top of that he put me on Abilify. Ever read the side effects to that one? trusted him. Went off the Abilify on my own, caused me to be anxious. He told me to knock the Lamictal down a 100mg a week, okay. He acted like it was no big frikin deal and then I would be done and said pop a Xanax once in awhile if anxiety comes on. Doesn't anyone ever feel like going back to the doctor and giving them a bottle of their own and telling them, take this and follow what you told me to do and let me know how you feel:) Anyway, she sounds like one of the good ones to me! I know what it is to go down the spiral of what feels like going crazy and when I felt like SHIT I wanted to print off these messages and post them up in the hall where my doctors' office is and write P.S. Read this ASSHOLES you might learn something. Now that I have recovered from a month of hell I can think with a more optimistic view. By the way I am still on 200mg and Paxil 20mg and the combo has been working extremely well for me. My initial plan was to go off of it completely but since I stabilized and feel good I have decided to stick with this for now. God forbid if I tryed to back off now with the holidays coming up and family visits. I could see it now, serving my family and saying, "Here's the turkey, crying, and I'll get the mashed potatos as soon as I can figure out where I put them". I'll stay right where I am, thanks!! P.S. changed doctors and SHE did say that the dose was high and made a negative facial expression and did say that I backed off to quickly. I requested the Paxil. Best of luck to all and hope for those who still feel like shit that you feel GREAT SOON!!!! :)

Could anyone post a reputable link such as a medical site, to validate any of the withdrawals that anyone has posted here? I've read through every single post here, found 3 links, but could not find any evidence to back up the statements that have been posted here regarding withdrawals from lamictal. I'm in the middle of a court case regarding my son who takes Lamictal. he's 6. His dad refused to give it to him for an entire week during his visitation. I need convincing evidence that stopping Lamictal abruptly will/can cause serious complications. The only thing I've been able to "prove" so far is seizures.

alexis, the whole issue of med withdrawal is poorly documented in a formal sense, except with anti-depressants. you might see if peter breggin has written anything about anti-seizure drug withdrawal. doctors and researchers simply don't care about this issue and so there's no 'proof.' the best we've got is the many testimonies of patients here.

These are all quotes in this threat taken directly from a poster that claims to be a professional? This shows all the signs classic sociopathic pathology and I would advice all his post and words be ignored at all cost by everyone. This is just a warning! I worked with these types, and they will try everything in the book and then some to suck you into their misery. IGNORE THIS PERSON COMPLETELY! EVENTUALLY IT WILL FIND ANOTHER BLOG and others TO HARRASS!

“This comment is for you, Mr Dawdy, so any readers who would like to debate further, I apologize for writing but wanted to note this to Philip and the general readership; I will not write further.
For what it is worth, I have come here so often to read what people are commenting on, and all I can say is if you write here for advice, there are no qualified people to give you direction on how to get off meds. So, if you want to put your trust in non-clinicians, you get what you put your faith in!!!
I haven't seen or read about it, but Lamictal being in the antiseizure class could also cause withdrawal seizures with abrupt d/c
(board Cert Psych MD)
I told Philip I was not going to reply further, but I came back on and read Sherry's comment a couple of times, so if it is sincere in the statement:"...asking a serious question here, not trying to bash you as a professional.", I will offer my reply intended as support.
This comment isn't a revelation, but it applies so I repeat it again: trust is earned, as it goes by deeds, not words. In my OPINION, a responsible doctor should be advising all patients of risks/benefits, and that includes what are considered maximal doses of a medication in question.
Hence, it comes back to my alias, therapyfirst!
So, I have created a battlefield by responding to a request from someone who has challenged me in the past, and now asked I reply to aid the debate here. Hmmm, Did I miss the yellow caution signs?
To the Fransescas, Ana, and the general S-crowd (I exclude Sherry and Stephany here with that term), thank you for the validation.
As I wrote to Philip personally, I don't get what is hostility/slander that deserves banning, and what is this anti-psychiatry bullshit too many here spew and gets validated by its printing.

I think a good number of patients would avoid these issues if that was put out there up front! Dialogue is a lot less invasive than drugs
and now the usual folks (i.e. the usual suspects with their lame ass, ignorant, insensitive, hostile, holier-than-thou bullshit) come back to reveal there is no middle ground with a clinician
So, the Folks can go and wail. You didn't want a "battlefield", but yet you fired the first shot, again as usual. You are such a lame bunch. Attack as you will, that is your strength. And profound weakness. It only demeans and diminishes what this site can do. Of course, just my opinion. Sharks around here like to feed on those things, eh?
And I kick myself in the ass for commenting. It is all Nemeroff's fault for getting caught, my reading about it here, and getting excited. My good deed gets slashed. At least Carlat follows up on some of these topics too.
Try this lame ass bullshit at his site. Don't hold your breath waiting to see it printed!!!”

Dear Philip:

This is a repeat warning and message for those still feeding this so called professional sick twisted beast known as -------------

Once more the total absurd level this has been taken too is so far beyond comedic tragedy and rational, it’s once again amazing with complete and utter absurdity some with professional credentials will go to in a benign attempt to remain superior to us mere mortals.
Then I realized it was now the supposed psychiatrist turn to be placed under the micro scope and be delved at for every peccadillo, insecurity, nuance, and fault. I worked with sociopaths for three years in a State Institution for SVP’s {predators}, and it has struck me how similar the behavior patterns are between this person that comes here posting and those virtual demons of humanity. They pretty much nail the DSM criteria for sociopathic pathology. (lack of conscious for actions taken, no empathy for others, defending the abuse of others with unsupportable arguments, manipulation of weaknesses in others for their own amusement and gain, twisting of truth to only meet their own needs, they continue their antisocial behavioral patterns unabated, and have no awareness of their own pathology or illness with continued denial after denial, and when faced with too much reality based fact. They at times will go run and hide from interaction with others until they can devise another manipulation to try out. “I’m quitting, I’m back, and I’m not going to comment any more, now I need to comment”. What is up with this classical deviant behavioral pattern and the person behind it?
I believe I saw someone write it's not the psychiatrist fault here in this threat (so I thought about that for a while, and determined since the drug Cartels' are manufacturing and distributing illegal drugs and the street drug dealer pushing these drugs for profit are just as culpable for the havoc, damage, and crimes they perpetrate upon others; then why should it be any different with psychiatrist. You would have to believe if someone is a well educated and spent many years training as a professional psychiatrist; wouldn't you think they could at the very least discern a sleazy sales pitch from reality, and question what was in all actuality adversely happening to the patients in front of their very eyes. I mean how are they supposed to diagnose severe and sometimes quite byzantine and complex mental health disorders if they can't discern a bad sales pitch from gift toting drug rep { even the patients know when the drug rep is coming through the door in a hospital as free pens, squeeze toys, donuts, and candy abound }.
Then I had this LIGHT BULB MOMENT! One very logical conclusion that could make perfect sense for this strange occurrence and anomaly would be that the psychiatrist is so focused on themselves and their perceived omnipotent world of self; that they were, are, and will continue to be oblivious to reality and the patient’s needs that surrounds them. Thus they will continue to distribute any pill peddled to them as long as that pill peddler brings those psychiatrist gifts, rewards, tells them a nice story, and warmly strokes their sociopathic ego.
Now I wouldn't place every single psychiatrist in that particular category; but you have to strongly evaluate the behavior patterns and pathology of the ones that come to a forum like this where they know well in advance that most of the readers and posters have had some fairly horrific experiences with both medication, the medical model being used and abused to this day, and psychiatry as a whole?
Let's face the real demon in plain hard simple speak here: The systems is horribly screwed up, the psychiatrist are still handing out this poison without a second thought, and offer very few if any positive or helpful information on how to withdrawal off these poisons (what choice do they have? Quit psychiatry or hand out poison candy; it's not like they are going to do therapy with their clients! Most Psychiatrist have handed out pills and written scripts for so long, they couldn't run a therapy session if it was a Mac Truck running over them). All of these lines of bleach washed criminals with a MD behind their name have their own cross to bear before each of us on the reckoning day.
So what other choice do we have than to be angry as all hell, get off these poison meds, and want some true, swift, and hard justice which includes some real humane effective treatment finally after decades and decades of non-stop abuse and profit grabbing at our expense by the so called psychiatric profession (which includes you Mr. Sociopath).
Do to your continued pathology I will still not respond or be able to give you any attention negative or positive from this post forward. I cannot feed into your obvious illness and condition for your own well being and the well being of others. I only post this here in hope others will do the same: since this person has absolutely nothing at all to add to these comment sections besides a huge inflated ego, hostility, bullshit, and sociopathic tendencies.
If this so called professional had any real guts, this person would post his real name, credentials, and where he worked before handing out advice, comments, and such; like Dr. Daniel Carlat. Negitive advice and comments are extremely unprofessional for any so called doctor.

Stan

I ve been reading through these b/c i'm currently on 100mg of lamictal. For those who cant afford it or have shitty or no insurance:

JanDrugs- They are out of Canada. I get 100 pills for less than $100. They are legit. Research them. They are also very prompt.

I myself am going to ween off this drug and i gotta tell you this site has scared the hell out of me. I dont want to deal with the withdrawls. But when i ween off-man i'm gonna take it sloooooooow.

Max,
That is exactly where I got mine from. I got 100 pills of 150mg lamictal and it was about $100 or so with shipping and I got it very fast. So anyone who does need to get them, he is correct and all you have to do is get the script from your doctor.
Max- why do you want to ween off of the lamictal? Just curious.
I am a bit better today as far as the dizziness and nausea, however I am still experiencing the blurred vision which happens with taking the lamictal and trying to come off, I am also SOOOO exhausted that I could barely stand up in the shower this morning, and want to put my head down on my desk right now and go to sleep!!!!

I'd be tired as hell too if i was up and at em as early as you! I have never blogged before and have researched this drug through various sites but not one like this. I'm not sure why i want to ween off.May not. Maybe i just want to see if i really need it. Sometimes i think i should have givin cognitive therapy a better chance. I have always had trouble getting out of bed w/ or w/o lamict. Lamitrogine really helped my negative thoughts and anxiety/paranoia. I couldnt control my thoughts or keep negative images from sliding in. I had horrible nightmares. this drug helped tremendously. My energy level blows. Other than that, no side effects.

Dear Philip:

Appears like my comment ended up in the spam bin yesterday. Wonder why? I guess when I get MD behind my name, my post and F Offs will be ok?

Stan

Teresa,
is there anyone on this site that has had a good experience with lamictal? I'm not an advocate by any means especially after reading this stuff but i have been on other sites where others seem to have benefited from it. But then again, i guess the title of this is "lamictal withdrawl". Maybe it has worked for me b/c it is the only thing i'm on. im just sayin..

Hi Max,
That was actually posted at 9 am, must be 3 hours behind!!! However, I am up at 6, just not quite functioning. Than again, I don't really "function" all day.
I had been on alot of SSNRI's, Lexapro being the most recent and for the longest. It worked for a while, and like the others stopped. I was having horrible mood swings and was depressed again, which was why my last psych thought that it would be a good idea to try Lamictal, something different. At first I had bad side effects, but than it was really helping, my mood was great, wasn't flying off the handle or getting depressed, and I thought I'd finally found something. Than just like the others it stopped working for me. I was getting horrible acne which I've never gotten before, gained alot of weight, and that added to it not working made me want to stop taking it. I don't know if it would have been better to go up a bit because I was only taking 150mg, as oppossed to 200 or more which my psych told me from the beginning would prob be my stopping point. Anyway, of course being in that frame of mind the first thing you want to do is stop. I started going down to about 75 mg, ofcourse got sick, than went down to 37.5, got more sick..... Now I am taking half of that and it's been AWFUL.... I moved since I started Lamictal and went to a new doc who started me on Cymbalta and told me to stop the Lamictal, when I mentioned withdrawal he said, well than go down slowly, should only take a couple of weeks, YEA RIGHT!!!!!! Well Cymbalta was AWFUL, made me so sick and anxious and nuts, so I stopped, he than gave me Pristiq which did the same thing... So here I am still feeling like shit, trying to hold down my accounting job, not so easy when you can't put two and two together!!!!! on top of that I now have a sinus infection, so yes I want to crawl up in bed and not get out, and here I am at work HOPING noone bothers me today!!!!! I have an appt. Saturday with ANOTHER new psych, I want to see if he can give me 25mg Lamictal, as for anything else I want to try to go the natural route and see how that goes. I feel these meds are very bad for you, and I'd like to think they are making me worse instead of better. I know one thing, I don't have too much playing room since I HAVE to work!!!!!!

Max,

In an earlier post, Becky mentioned www.askapatient.com and there is a lot of information there about Lamictal. You will see information from people who have and do use it with success as well as information from those of us who have experienced more harm from it. If it is working for you then there is really no reason to go off of it. I'm scared to go on other meds now b/c of my Lamictal experiences. Many problems I had were caused by the drug and I wasn't aware of that until this wash out. You need to do what is right for you. Since these drugs affect the brain center, no one is really sure how each patient will react and what benefit (or harm) will result with each patient. Scientists do not even know how these drugs work; it is all theory. Scientists and clinicians alike rely on empirically gained trial and clinical data- there is no actual black and white proof when it comes to drugs that affect the brain. Please don't let our experiences determine your continuation of the drug...you (and your Psych) need to look at yourself and your results in order to make that determation.

Teresa,
Does your employer have any type of disability plan? You may be able to use this until you get straightened out.
Best,
Susie

I just had to say that I agree with Stan. I am so angry towards ALL psychiatrists at this point because if they really knew what these drugs did to people, would they really want to just give script after script and cause so many different problems that they have to give you yet another script to try to fix that. I'm sorry, but if you have an issue with depression, and are given something for that, and that in turn makes you anxious, than they give you something for the anxiety, what has been accomplished?? Cover up one problem and cause another, now you have two issues to treat???? The day I get off the rest of this Lamictal and have a clear mind and can function without these HORRIBLE toxic drugs in my system will be the best day I've had in 12 years!!!!!

I read this posting every few days to see if someone rises to the occasion and tries to remind the masses of reality and sensibility.

NO FUCKING CLUE STILL!!!

No, Stan, you don't need an MD after your name and fucks and other obscenities, you just need to make a point that does not attack a person just for your own self gratification.

IF YOU ARE ON A MEDICATION THAT NEEDS TO BE ALTERED OR DISCONTINUED, TELL THE DOCTOR WHO PRESCRIBES IT TO RECONSIDER THE SITUATION. THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE, PEOPLE, IT IS THE PRACTICE OF MEDICINE!!!

Get a fucking life, people, there are doctors who do know how to practice psychiatry! And unfortunately, they are not on the internet!!!

And you wonder why society is stuggling? It is because there are no quick fixes. Tell the psychiatrist or anyone else who sells that lame ass brand of thinking to stick it up that tight orifice.

Be well! Have a weekend, hopefully nice!!!

Susie,
I just moved to North Carolina from Florida 4 months ago, and I am at a job as temp to hire. Although I do have Medical Insurance through the agency that I am working through, I opted to not take the short/Long term disability. I am kicking myself in the butt now that I didn't. I could use a month to recoop and work on me!!!! So I am desperate to feel better and am afraid that if it means staying on the Lamictal or trying something else I may have to until I can figure something else out, or when (IF) in three months I am hired on as an employee with this company, get the Disability and use it if need be. I'm kinda optionless right now I'm afraid!
Not really sure what to do. I feel very weak that I can't deal with this on my own. Noone can understand... My boyfriend is flabergasted (sp) by the fact that people actually go on disability for depression or Bipolar Disorder, he doesn't get it at all. When I tell him how sick I am feeling, and how I can't even work he says well you have to work.... He thinks its sick like having a cold or something, and because he hasn't had to go through it (lucky him) he just can't understand no matter how hard I try to explain it to him..... Makes things alot harder on me, and makes me feel even weaker that I can't just SNAP OUT OF IT... easy for someone to say who gets a cold once a year!

I take Lamictal and appreciate this anecdotal thread, these stories are very beneficial. Another site authored by a regular reader of over 2 years here is Beyond meds. Philip has highlighted the author's struggle of 18 years of medication use and current withdrawals on this blog.

I find this Lamictal thread poignant as well, because it was started by a patient who had withdrawal issues after 18 years of medication use: Philip Dawdy this blog's author.

Teresa,

I am so sorry you aren't able to take the time you need to deal with this minus the extra stress. I am sorry but your boyfriend needs a kick in the pants. Has he ever been to a psych appointment with you? When you find a good psych, bring him along. Try to find information for him to read that will help him understand. You are correct, though, in that no one can truly understand unless they've been there. My husband still doesn't really understand it but he tries and he's always there for me. He now understands that this isn't something that can be "fixed" in a day nor is it something that can be improved upon overnight. Have a long talk with you BF and try to do it with the support of someone who understands (a therapist would be a great choice.) I may be assuming incorrectly that he's not the most supportive- please forgive me if I'm incorrect in this. I just know how hard it is and how having someone there (like a spouse) can sometimes truly mean the difference between life and death. Keep your chin up!

Hi Guys been back on 12.5 mgs of Lamictal this is day 33 approx day 30 back to driving THIS IS WORSE THEN PAXIL WITHDRAWAL so I can expect to go online within a few yrs and find sites like LAMICTALPROGRESS.ORG AND QUITLAMICTAL.ORG

Stan:

After trying to read the bullshit from your Oct 8 5:15 posting, all I can say is you are one of the reasons why I am trying to stop commenting here, but the Lamictal Withdrawal posting worries me because too many people think they can practice medicine by making opinions that others do not understand is not a clinical site.

If you as a collective want to wait until someone follows your writings and then crashes and burns from this pathetic rhetoric, I hope you can rest easy should someone follow up and note the mistake in believing and practicing such alleged advice. That is why I wrote what I wrote back at the July 28 posting, Maybe I'm Gone. Maybe anyone who is interested might want to read BOTH of those comments there, to read what was written by me.

Hey man, I'm a commenter here, not a doctor, even though that is my backround! I just hope the naive and wary reader realizes some of these commenters are just fucking lame in their rhetoric and attitude! And if that pisses you off, as the commenters, you are welcome. Now you know how I feel!

Troll?! Fuck you all who think that way!!!

Sorry Philip, I had to say it!

Bloggers Anonymous sites, anyone?

TF, which of us moronic "folks" do you suppose don't understand that this isn't a clinical site? You're coming off like an insane person. Please reread your posts and give your little hobby here a rethink.

You said "Get a fucking life, people, there are doctors who do know how to practice psychiatry!" Uh, no, there aren't really. Modern psychiatry is the study of mind-altering drugs upon the human brain. There's nothing to practice -- it's a religion, not a science. The only psychiatrists of any use are those who are committing malpractice, steering people away from Big Pharma's indoctrination.

Linda,
I'm very sorry you're having so many problems with Lamictal withdrawal.

Dear TF,
Thank you for explaining what was cranking you up so much about this thread. Seriously. I was wondering what was making you so angry and I'm glad you explained it, as I was going to ask you.

I would like to give you two pieces of *respectful* feedback on the following statement:
"Hey man, I'm a commenter here, not a doctor, even though that is my backround! I just hope the naive and wary reader realizes some of these commenters are just fucking lame in their rhetoric and attitude!"

1)You are and you aren't a doctor here. Had you not said you were a doc, of course, none of us would ever know and you, indeed, would NOT be a doctor here. But you did and we do and so you are. On the other hand, you are not here in your role as a paid professional (which does cause some people to wonder why you brought it up since most of us do not talk about our professions) so you are correct, you're not OUR doctor. You're on the horns of a dilemma, one I do not envy, but you are, indeed, in this position of doctor/not our doctor/private person and it's too late to change that. Just as some of us are in the self-identified position of patient/not your patient/private citizen with all that entails.

It may be that at times you find yourself wishing you hadn't let that pdoc genie out of its bottle here. If so, you've learned something valuable to take with you the next time you run into a blog of interest to you, just as I've learned a lot over the years in my online life. Whether you regret it or not, you do have the challenge of finding some way of living with your current online duality. It would be nice if it didn't involve these little rants, but the rest of us have no control over your behaviour.

2) (If you're still with me.) Just as you see the varying degrees of quality in postings, so do the rest of us. It's really nice of you to be concerned for people's well being. I'm sure you cannot turn it on and off like a faucet, either. But I, for one, would really appreciate it if you could possibly extend some faith to the readers of this blog that we really ARE capable of sorting the wheat from the chaff. And, if we are not, we have resources in our own lives to deal with the results.

Which brings me to my last thing... I do understand and hear you when you say people who are not happy with their meds or experiencing difficulty with them should:
1) talk to their doctors
2) change docs if they meet with resistance.

This is wonderful advice. And you are correct, there really are some good pdocs out there. But I really, truly, with ALL due respect, wish you could really hear what some of us feel we are saying clearly:
1) you're asking us to talk to the very person who got us into this trouble about getting us out of it--at perhaps one of the most vulnerable times in our lives. This is extremely difficult, impossible for some of us.
2) unfortunately, as you yourself have often pointed out, the few good pdocs are, well, few. And widely spaced. I can think of ONE in my experience. He freely admits he knows little about PTSD. And he practices in Boston, a 90-minute one-way drive from where I live. And he doesn't take Medicare, my only insurance. And he charges a TON of money per hour (lives on Chestnut Hill), which I cannot afford. He's an incredibly nice, intelligent, gentle man and yes, I would go to him. If I could.

My experience of unavailable resources really isn't uncommon. I worked for fifteen years in human services so I'm very tapped into what's out there and have many more resources for finding help than most people in my situation. I also live in a rural state, which makes knowing what's available much, much easier (harder to get to, but easier to know about if it's there). And I'm coming up zeros. Just because I get angry about this situation doesn't mean I haven't tried many, many times. (I continue to monitor the situation. Hope dies hard.)
3) Are you aware that changing doctors or therapists is simply NOT an option for anyone in the community mental health system? Merely asking for such a change invites retaliation. "Complaining" about your meds invites retaliation.

You must be aware of how small and petty some of your colleagues are, you've run into it yourself I'm sure. Many people I've met who are involved with the community mental health system have their finances controlled by them, their housing, laundry, food shopping controlled by them, their daily lives monitored by them, their therapy and medical care controlled by them--"them" being an ever changing cast of staff characters of varying quality. How willing would you be to take a chance of offending the people who control you life so thorougly? Seriously, TF, this is a serious question. I wouldn't have the courage to rock that boat, would you? It boggles my mind and makes me really uncomfortable to even contemplate being in that situation. I *do* force myself to do so out of respect for the people I've met who are in that situation. I owe it to them to at least *try* to understand their lives.

TF, I hope you can see that I have written this posting with respect. I am NOT attacking you. If you want to be part of our solution, please, please, please tune out the negative flak (just like our parents and teachers told us to do in sixth grade) and offer us some good advice as to how to deal with these very real problems. Telling us to "talk with our doctors" is great advice, but not at all possible for many people for the reasons I've described above. Repeating that advice really does kind of annoy people. I'm sure if anyone's ever repeatedly given you advice you can't fit into your life you can understand how this can happen.

Please do your best to tune out the static (I know you can do that, you got through med school after all). Let's have a *real* conversation here. I'm not trying to bait you, I'm beyond that at this point. You seem to want to offer some help. I am sincerely offering you the chance to do so.

It may be you have no solution to these very real problems. There's no shame in that--we're all here because we're kind of out of solutions in terms of talking to our doctors. Most of us are truly stumped.

But please be aware that repeating advice that simply doesn't work in our situations--and not acknowledging us when we point out (respectfully) why it doesn't work--isn't working. For you, for me, for many people here who may not write in but are struggling with these issues and yes, for the many of us you find annoying (including me at times).

If you have not solution to the dearth of GOOD pdocs or the refusal of the mental health system to allow us to get a second opinion, then perhaps the most helpful thing you could do in that situation is to acknowledge there may BE no solution for some of us, that we have no *choice* but to rely upon our peers and our own ability to sort the wheat from the chaff. That would be real. That would be honest.

Respectfully yours,
Sherry (not your enemy)
PS: I hope you don't mind my "pdoc" shorthand. I just get tired typing out "psychiatrist" over and over.

Susie,
Yes, you are aobsolutely right, he does need to come with my to my next appointment so that he can be educated on what this all really means. If he does not take the time and effort to educate himself on it, and try to "REALLY" understand what I deal with on a day to day basis as opposed to getting angry with me about my actions, or sickness than I am afraid he is out the door!! One thing that I have learned is that it is impossible to let someone make you feel worse than you already do, when you barely make it through the day as is!!! So yes you are right, he an choose to either come with me to my next appt., and respect and understand what I am going through, or he can get out of my life. It's as simple as that. I have no tolerance for people making me feel worse when I am already having a terrible time as it is!!!! I do not think he does it intentionally, again, he has no clue really as to why I am "acting out", or get so cranky and am always a "stick in the mudd" as he likes to say!!! He said you are right, I don't understand... My response, you need to learn to understand!!!!! Thanks again! Still feeling very dizzy and tired and back to work tomorrow not fun, did I mention that I am moving next weekend!!!! Oh yes, all of this is so much fun when I am sick as hell and just want to cry! However, I try to remain strong and hope to wake up one morning (hopefully very soon), feeling better, no dizziness and enough energy to actually make it through the day, and accomplish things!!!!! Thanks again!! :-)

Is SSRI withdrawal as bad as Lamictal?

Thanks for kind thoughts Ana Has anyone done a successful taper of Lamictal and if so how long does it take I think Phil said it took him 6 wks

Sherry:

Thank you for the honest and direct comment. And, you are right for the most part, as there are too many pdocs(I accept the shorthand) who are so patriarchial and insensitive to patient care needs these days as they resent being pill pushers, and yet many of these same people said or did nothing when managed care pushed pdocs out of the way as therapist providers. If the next comment is seen as discriminatory or just overgeneralizing, I'm sorry, but, in my travels, a lot of psychiatrists who have been practicing for more than 25+ years feed into this mindset.

They have had the opportunity to write their own checks for psychiatric services prior to managed care's foothold in the 1990's, and I feel the similarities to the current financial problems are applicable. People have too much potential to engage in addictive behaviors, and in my opinion, money is probably the biggest offender. And, with the way psychiatry was used as a punitive measure all the way up to the early 1980's, power was part of the allure my "colleagues" enjoyed as well. So, you have these greedy, power-hungry, insensitive bastards who lost some or much of their alleged opportunities as the 90's progressed, and now I sincerely think some of them are in punishment mode, and patients are the easiest to attack for them. It is wrong, it is immoral, it is malfeasance, and in some cases could be malpractice.

I do still disagree that you feel there are people here who do not have choices or alternatives. I am sure to pursue options will have demands on time, money, and energy, but if you as a patient believe the provider caring for you is not invested, efficient, and negotiable, you have to find a new one. And, if there is a legit sense of inappropriateness that evokes consideration of a complaint with regulatory bodies in your respective State, you should file one. You never know how many others have done so, and yours could be the proverbial final straw to induce an investigation by such regulatory bodies.

I keep coming back to this posting because I fear someone will ask for advice/direction, and while I read some of the respondents have experience with meds, it doesn't mean an expertise or credentialing to direct. How will those of you who think you are doing someone a favor by telling them what to do learn later it backfired, and a serious consequence occured that might have been avoided if the patient brought your opinions/experiences to the provider? That is all I have really been asking here.

You had problems with med X, others' experiences to get off it was this or that, so you as a current user of Med X might consider this type of tapering as noted here by fellow users, BUT TALK TO YOUR DOCTOR, OR ANOTHER ONE WHO MIGHT BE MORE RECEPTIVE.

If I read that, I would be impressed and appreciative. My gut: I think some people here, and not you specifically Sherry, think to some degree they have medical expertise. As I use the past analogy, just because you may have had surgeries doesn't make you a surgeon.

Slippery slope here, people. I'd rather raise the concern and wind up being wrong as it never happens, and I'd be genuinely happy.

Thanks again for your well thought response. I am appreciative of your effort and interest. I would like to end this comment by again clarifying I am a commenter who has a backround as a pdoc, but I am not writing here to provide clinical interventions, but to just make sure readers who partake in the whole process of this blog get as many facts/opinions/perspectives to hopefully make responsible and healthy decisions and choices. What is wrong with that?

Ok, I am wrong to be nasty. But, when you are dealing with a sizeable portion of fellow commenters who attack you just because of who you are, and that has been the case here since my first comments back in June, nice gets you squat at some point. If the tone of replies and dissention mirror yours, Sherry, this site will be the better for it, in my opinion. I am impressed you have made the effort to do so now.

Be well.

Teresa-
Think i erased my message i was trying to post. I've not noticed if these post immediately or not. Anyway, I've been late taking my meds a few times- long enough to get a taste of what withdrawl will feel like. Powerful stuff. Sucks your boyfriend cant empathize. I admire your courage. Take care of yourself.

Here is a website called "www.theroadback.org" Don't know if this website will help anyone or do any good, just thought I'd send it anyways. My husband was trying to help me through my tough time and read this to me.

Fell Better Soon, Theresa

TF,
Thank you for your response. It's late and I have to go to bed. But I do want to respond that I think you're still not understanding at all the position people in the mental health system are up against. And I *am* a person who has taken a complaint to the state. The mental health worker in question was fired as a result. You are correct, you don't know if you're the first complainant. In my case the mental health clinic was blissfully unaware of his deficits, butthe state was gunning for this guy and practically begged me to make a formal complaint.

But the doctors circled the wagons to cover the butt of the prescribing doctor and, in addition to nearly dying, I now have two discharge summaries full of lies on my "permanent record". I am now unable to go to my local ER because the minute they read my record their attitude changes and they become nasty, nasty. I'm 60 years old and scared to death of being taken ill and hauled off to this ER. The next nearest one is 40 miles away.

So that's where I am--a former human services worker with two masters' degrees who's very savvy about the ways agencies work.

Now imagine if you have to live on $600 a month, your money is managed by your mental health case worker. You have to wait six or eight hours every Tuesday for the worker to have time to hand you the few dollars you need to do your laundry. If the worker has an emergency on the day you're supposed to go food shopping, too bad. You're outta luck. Your lights get turned off three or four times a year because your case manager forget to pay your bill. You actually have the money to pay the bill because you got a babysitting gig last week. But you CAN'T pay it because your money is being managed (well, mismanaged) by the mental health clinic so you are legally a nonentity in your own life.

TF, can you tell me how anyone is actually going to advocate to get a new doctor in this situation? These people have to advocate to get their laundry done--week after week after week. I've watched this.

I don't think you really understand that switching doctors is not an option for someone on Medicare with no transportation who lives in fear of the very system upon which he/she must rely for the very basics of life.

IMO no one should have this kind of power over another human being. It's just sad to watch. I'm so glad I'm away from the medical profession. I just hope I get hit by a bus or something so I never have to linger on in the company of doctors when I'm older.

That's really all I have to say about all this. Any more and I'd be repeating myself. I do apologize to everyone here for the length of my previous post.

Sherry

Theresa V.,
Wow, thanks. The first thing I learned in the first paragraph is that the drug that nearly killed me is considered one of the hardest to get off of. I was never told of any withdrawal issues whatsoever when it was prescribed.

I rue the day I ever trusted a psychiatrist. They have done nothing but cause me unending misery. Their absence from my life has improved its quality immensely.

Thanks.

Max,
Thanks, since talking to my boyfriend he is making an effort to try to understand, however I know he never really will, because he has not had to ever deal with it. So I just ask he be supportive!! I had to up my dose a little bit on the Lamictal because I was too sick and couldn't function and have alot going on right now with work and moving and all. I am going to a new psychiatrist soon, and want him to give me lower dose pills so that I can wean down very slow. I guess for some people it's harder to come off of certain drugs than others, for me it's VERY difficult!!!!

Mark-
I have found Lamictal to be the most difficult, however I think everyone is different, as Lexapro was difficult for me as well. No where near Lamictal however!!!

Mark,
Yes, SSRI withdrawal can be bad too. There's alot of information about Paxil and Effexor withdrawal (from people who have experienced it) but I would say all of them can be bad. Just learn all you can so if you start to have any symptoms you'll know what they are.
I recently got off Cymbalta but had switched to Zoloft for two weeks first and cut the Lamictal dosage at the same time. So I can't say which caused the nausea and dizziness and crying. Products from theroadback.org helped tremendously with the physical symptoms.

Sherry:

I read your position and accept your perspective. I do not know what else to say but I know people have choices, but I guess the only thing to offer is I am sorry to hear that accessing them have significant obstacles to overcome.

I was glad to read you filed charges against someone. I have done so in the past, and while it did not amount to much, at least I heard through the grapevine that others were more attentive, and leery, to work with this cad.

Success is measured in inches sometimes.

I offer we end this discussion since I feel we will need to agree to disagree on some points to this overall matter. Again, thanks for being direct and what I sense was painful honesty. I always appreciate knowing where people are coming from. Let's hope Philip maintains the blog as able, as he does important work here.

be well.

therapyfirst

Becky-
Are the products really expensive on the road back.org?
Which ones did you take? Do you know if you can get a similar effect by taking Omega 3, and vitamins and that kind of thing or is it similar???
I am tired of these headaches and the dizziness. Even though I feel mentally better since I've stabilized the headaches haven't gone away! Nor has the dizziness that comes along with the headaches!

I've been on Lamictal for about 6 or 7 weeks. I did fine on the start up pack which went from 25 to 100mg over five weeks. Then I was told to jump to 200mg. I was okay the first few days but now I have a dull headache, am nauseous almost constantly (even if I eat a meal or crackers to settle my stomach) and three times, I have had the world feel like it turned upside down me. The first two times, I was sitting. The last time, I fell into a wall -- which I guess is better that falling all the way down. I tried to taper down to 175mg but couldn't get the pills to break evenly so I went to 150mg. So far, no spinning world, but the dull headache and nausea remain. How long should I go before I drop again and do you think 150 to 100 is too big a jump? I'm still waiting to hear back from my doctor....

Beth,
Are you tapering down because of the nausea and headaches? I'm surprised he had you jump from 100 to 200, that is ALOT. That is what can cause the deadly rash, I believe it's called Stevens Johnson syndrome. Do you feel that it is working for you other than that? If so, you may want to stick to the 150 mg's and see how you do in another week or two. I noticed that was how long it took me to stabilize each time I went up. How long were you taking 200 mg's? It takes me two weeks to feel better each time I wean down, and it seems the lower I go the worse it gets even with smaller amounts! I'm curious to see what your doctor says. Everyone is different, but as for myself I am down to 37.5, from 150, and it's been prob about 2 months or more that I've been weaning, and I am having HORRIBLE day and night long headaches and dizziness!!!! Good luck, and let me know what the doc says, otherwise I would stay at 150 for now!!!!

This dizziness and falling that doctor's see as no big deal is really making me angry. Please be careful and take it seriously.
I believe there are alot of injuries that should have been attributed to drugs but are dismissed as; "I just stood up to quickly, or had an empty stomach, etc."

Teresa,
Actually, it is a bit expensive. It's gotten a bit more confusing too because they've added more products. I took the Body Calm $30, Body Calm Supreme $40 (which is basically, cherry powder and passion flower extract. Weird, I know!) and Protein powder $30 (which is hard to mix). I think if you call and tell them what your symptoms are, etc. they'll help you figure out what you need. Personally, I hate talking to people, expecially now that I can barely form a complete sentence. They called and left a voicemail once after I received an order just to see if I had any questions. I thought that was nice.

Hi Sherry,

I found that website interesting, although they are trying to pitch and sell some regiment to take to help with withdrawls. It was still helpful with the info it offered though. I have written several times on this website but as I continue to read the experiences of everyone, my heart goes out to them.

I'll never forget how scared I was and the desperation I felt from day after day. I dreaded going to work and barely could function. I let my boss and my head manager know what was going on with me because if I started to have a panic attack or had to leave early from work I felt they should know what was going on. Thank God they were understanding and supportive. It was important to me that they know in case something happened. I could not afford to take time off from work like many others I have read about. All I wanted to do was go straight home but home caused me horrible anxiety because I associated it with the horrible panic attack I had after being perscribed Zoloft. I went off it after 4 days of taking it. I felt like a lost soul constantly waiting, thinking that maybe I'll wake up tomorrow feeling better. When I would go home after work I developed this constant state of having to take deep breaths constantly and feeling anxious. It took everthing I had to keep my mind from losing it. I was physically and mentally exhausted . I to like others searched the web constantly for info to relate to my experiences. The website I posted was the closest acurate info my husband found for me.

I understand what it is to have no one else in the family not understanding what your going through. My husband was patient but after awhile I could see him getting somewhat fustrated. he said to me, "you'll just have to ride the wave" that was comforting. I still take 200mg of Lamictal from 400 and I'm afraid of backing off even slowly. I'm staying on the 200 for now. I have never experienced such horrible withdrawls like that with any med before. Even though I like my new doctor I am still apprehensive because doctors are suppose to be the ones that heal you not make you feel worse. Ever watch that TV program "House" it's all a guessing game. One thing I did try after a while was getting out more like going to Bordered and reading about mental illness and looking for some kind of relaxation cd's or books on the subject. My only wish is that all of the people on this website get well soon and what they are going through will be just a memory of the past and nothing more, Teresa, Becky, Beth, Linda Susie, Max and the rest of all I haven't mentioned.

Take Care Sherry

I forgot to mention one thing, I am perimenopausal and my cycle is all screwed up. I was so confused and wondered if the fluctuation of hormones had contributed to how I was feeling. Can anyone relate to this??

Becky,

Let me know if the products you purchased from "Theroadback" website helps at all. If they do maybe this website can benefit others to.

Sincerely, Theresa

Theresa,
I just read what you posted and felt it was something that I posted. SAME EXACT scenario!!! I have to work, and can barely function, I am down to probably about 37.5 now from 150, and I have some good moments throughout the day, and it is awful when I get up from my desk and almost tumble over..... When I get off of work, ALL I want to do is go home and lay down, and even though I am so tired, I do have to constantly try to BREATHE and calm myself... All I want to do is sleep, I am SOOO tired that I can barely get up in the morning, and can barely stand in the shower, I often want to just sit, but know I wont want to get back up.
I really want to get these supplements, but just can't afford them right now, and honestly I don't know that I can think clearly enough or have the energy to follow the directions!!!!!!
Please anyone who tries them let me know how you do. Anyone know of anything else for energy? I'm SOOOOOOOOOO tired and could literally fall asleep on my desk right now!!!!

If anyone would like to e-mail me I can give you my phone # and if you would like to talk on the phone I would be happy to do that. I think that sometimes when you are talking with someone on a more personable level it can be comforting and supportive even more. My E-mail address is
theresa.vaughn@hp.com

The Best to all, Theresa

I thought I’d share this since many people diagnosed with depression and bipolar find out they have hypothyroidism too.
I had my TSH level checked 7/08 after stopping Cymbalta, Lithium and cutting Lamictal from 200mg to 50mg. It was 0.11 (Normal range is .40-4.5). I had it checked again 9/08 and it is 21.78! That’s probably a huge factor in my being so tired.
So, if you can, get blood work done. I think Lamictal and SSRI’s can wreak havoc on our whole body system and readjusting after years of use isn’t as quick and painless as we were led to believe. Just my opinion

Sara, on July 26, 2007 wrote that she hoped that it wouldn't "come back to bite you later" in response to someone who had reduced Lamictal too quickly. I have been off of it for 2 weeks, with little to no symptoms. My ears ring sometimes, but it could be dehydration- I've been flying a lot.

Anyways, what do you think she meant by that? I reduced from 300mg to 0mg over a period of 3 months. Two weeks have passed during which time I have taken no Lamictal. I feel fine- no problems at all, but am not sure if it is time to celebrate just yet. Could I still be at risk of feeling withdrawal symptoms?

The About.com website run by Mary Shoman is the best place to get information about hypothyroidism. Turns out that was my main problem. But seems docs prefer drugs to listening. I've known since I was 28 that I had a laundry list of thyroid sxs, but no one would listen.

The endocrine doctors changed the parameters for "normal range" a couple of years ago, otherwise I never would have received treatment. 30 years of my life have been wasted and I will never get them back. A lot of docs don't know about the change, some have decided they don't "believe" in it (so I guess pdocs are not alone in picking and choosing their illnesses).

I watch House on my computer. The guy is such a total jerk! They do stupid stuff like load a guy up with anticoagulants--then do major exploratory surgery. Right. The show is a case study in iatrogenics and intrusive, unnecessary testing week after week. Um, unless the patient lacks insurance. I notice House totally loses interest the moment there's no insurance.

Hey, we have a Theresa and a Teresa here. How cool is that???

Sherry and Becky,
Funny you should mention that because I have a friend who suffers from depression/bi-polar and whatever else the docs decide to call it and she told me a few weeks ago that she has hypothyroidism and since being on meds for it feels alot better and isn't soooo tired!! She told me that I should get checked! I am going to make an appt. with a PCP, does anyone know what else I should have him check? Should I just tell him to do a COMPLETE series of blood tests to make sure all of my levels are where they are supposed to be that can be affected by Depression/Bi-polar meds???
Thank you !!! Yes, funny that there is Teresa and Theresa :-)

I wouldn't say "check what could be affected by the meds" because, as you know, they're perfectly safe and cause no side effects (sarcasm, of course!). But seriously, I would just tell the doctor every symptom or problem or possible problem you can think of that you may be having or have had. I mentioned being tired, memory loss, bruises and I don't remember what else but I know I had a long list. Having experienced my concerns being dismissed as just old age (at 35!)

Becky,
Yes, you are right there are absolutely NO side effects or withdrawals either for that matter!!! I do plan to do so very soon! Although I did check have my iron checked and it was fine, I'm surprised because I ALWAYS have bruises and get them so easily and they take a while to go away!!! I am ALWAYS tired and having memory problems too at just 29 :-) I feel like all my time is put into this instead of enjoying life and it stinks :( Who can enjoy life when all you can do is barely make it through the day at work and when you get home you have such a bad headache and are so dizzy that you can't even stand up anymore!!!!

Hi Everyone,

I agree with having your thyroid checked. One of my Engineers here at work was telling me how he was extremely tired and sluggish, was feeling depressed and mentioned a few other symptoms. He had never taken antidepressants. He went to the doctor and found that his thyroid was not functioning right, takes the med to correct the problem and feels great. Even my phycologist told me that when she was younger she ran out of her meds for thyroid and didn't get a chance to get her perscription filled when she needed to and she said she felt absolutely horrible, tired, depressed, head in a fog, couldn't connect with reality. When she told me this I thought, sounds like some of the symptoms that I have. With my new doctor I think I'll ask her to check my thyroid.

Regarding the blood work, I'm so confused!!!
My mom had taken antidepressants over a long period of time. She took the old meds, Elavel (Tricyclic), years later her doc told her that there's problems with the enzymes that her liver is producing. Doc says the older antidepressants caused issues with her health over along period of time. My mom said awhile back that she had a blood test that concluded she was bi-polar, I know my mom is not lying, but what the hell is that. I asked my doctor if I could be tested for depression and he said you cannot tell by blood work. I have seen those commercials on TV for several of the antidepressants and when they reveal all the possible side effects I have heard them mention that a occasional blood test should be performed. I was thrilled about that since I was taking one of the drugs that was mentioned on TV. I no longer take it. I know when I was having a tough time with withdrawls and I wanted something to help with the panic disorder Paxil is what worked the best for me. I was afraid I would gain weight since it's described as one of the worse offenders for weight gain. My doctor said, weight gain of maybe a few pounds verses feeling better. I haven't gained any weight as of yet and the Paxil is working for me but I am at a loss, damned if I do, damned if I don't.

Becky- you mentioned that you got your thyroid checked and then rechecked. My thyroid has been tested a few times but always seems to be normal. Here I was hoping for a different reason for my weight gain (which really sucks, btw.) I don't think that the anemia is the cause of that one. :)

I think I'm doing pretty well all things considered- I am now just dealing with painful muscle spasms and the diarrhea which is still a constant companion. The headaches aren't constant anymore but down to about 60% of the time and the nausea and dizziness are pretty much gone. I am hoping that time will help all of this but we'll see. I took the hemoccult and should have the results from that by the beginning of next week at the latest. Some days, you hope they will find something "reputable" wrong with you so it not just a mental health thing... For some reason, you feel more legitimate if there's something tactile. I know, sad...but you all know how I feel.

Linda asked if anyone had ever done a "successful taper." Linda, I'm off of the drug but I don't know what you mean by "successful taper." If you consider getting it out of your system a success, then I think quite a few of us are successful. It is the problem of dealing with the withdrawal that leads us here.

Teresa, I hope your BF becomes more supportive even if he doesn't understand what is going on. I don't know were I would be without the support of my husband right now. Actually, I do know where I'd be and I don't think they have Internet access there. :) It takes some people a long time and they have to understand that, no matter how difficult their road is to tread, it is a cake walk compared to yours. Understanding that is one of the keys (IMO.) You don't need to deal with that kind of a change in your life on top of everything else. I hope he can just understand that it's his job to support you no matter what.

www.lamictal.com

Hi Again,
I've been on this website before as I'm sure some of you have also looking for withdrawl symptoms with no luck. Just for the hell of it I decided to log onto this website again.

I was reading about some of the side effects with taking Lamictal under the heading "Important Safety Information" and as I read further it mentioned bruising. I remembered that in one of the previous blogs someone had mentioned that they were noticing some bruises after taking lamictal. I thought I'd pass this along.

Theresa-
I had been told by many people who battled depression that Paxil worked very well for them. I can't even remember at this point if I tried it, as there have been SO many that I can't keep track anymore!
I know that Lamictal is going to be the last. I never really new that these drugs that are supposed to help you so much could do such harm. I always just thought the same thing most of you probably think as well, there is something wrong with me and I need meds. It's a disease like any other, and there is nothing I can do about it!!! Well I think at this point I'd rather be depressed, than constantly dizzy, nauseous, anxious, sick to my stomach and TIRED to the point of not being able to stand up for more than a few minutes at a time without feeling like I am going to fall over.... By the way- I will email you back soon, I haven't had time yet!!!!

Susie-
My boyfriend has made it a point to try to be more understanding, however he can still be a jerk sometimes. I don't think it's intentional, I just think we butt heads alot!! So we shall see what happens... I was feeling better today until my coffee incident this morning when I felt like I was going to pass out by the time I went to lunch and was shaking so bad, and everything was loud- Panic attack!!!!! I could barely drive.. Once I hate and took .25 mg's of Klonopin it got a bit better. I was SO tired that I couldn't keep my eyes open so I thought I'd try drinking some coffee- bad idea!!!!! I felt decent this morning other than being COMPLETELY fatigued, now I a still fatigued and very dizzy and have a headache again :( I have an appt. with a Therapist tonight. It's my first one, I hope I like her!!! I am trying to focus more on helping myself, and alternative options, instead of these toxic meds!!!!
After my move this weekend, once I get settled all I am going to do is focus on my health, mental and physical since I've gained a ton of weight as well :( Not happy at all about that! I also have horrible acne from the Lamictal, has anyone else had that problem? I have cystci like pimples on my face and neck! I even got one on my lip and my eye lid right below my eye brow!! Weird!!! I am also having PMS symptoms, however am on the pill and already had my period this month!!! I am not sure what to think about that!!! Anyone else have any of these problems???

Teresa,

I think I have the same as you!!! These pimples what I would describe as being cystic to appeared on my face suddenly and they were hard bumps under the skin. They weren't normal like the monthly period type of acne, not whiteheads. If I scratched one it would get red but not hurt. THEN when those went away I suddenly had a bunch of them show up on my arm in a group and also a few on my breast. The weird thing is that it was just on one side of my body. They were not sore and did not itch. I bought some over the counter stuff which did not help and when I broke out in a few more I thought I'd better go to my doc. She thought IT MIGHT BE an infection so she gave me an antibiotic. It's going away, but slowly, whatever, what's next!! I remembered to that when I was backing off the Lamictal I would come into work and put my head down on my desk, I was tired. I work in a lab and it's away from everyone else and I'm usually the first one in at 6am. My boss does not show up till 9. I didn't really give a shit that I was dosing off at work when I got in. I was messed up and couldn't do a damn thing about it.

Has your boyfriend ever done any researching on lamictal or read the blogs on this website. If he hasn't maybe reading these personal experiences would help him have a better understanding of what your going through. I don't know, maybe, maybe not, just a thought.

Sometimes I shake in the morning when I first get up then it subsides pretty quickly.

Panic attacks - SUCK HORRIBLY. Out of control feeling, shake, weakness, hyperventilate. The first and the last is what kicks my ass the most. I have Xanax, but since taking Paxil, no more attacks. I don't want it to sound like I'm pushing Paxil. If it were my choice I would not take anything, can't achieve that right now though.

Good luck with the Therapist. Mine is like a good friend. It's helped me!!!

He sounds like a good guy, Teresa! I remember times when I'd be on the floor bawling and rocking like an autistic kid and my husband was yelling; he just didn't understand what was happening or why. He still doesn't understand much about all of this but he does understand that he doesn't 'get it' and acts accordingly. God love him...even when I bite his head off for no reason and then burst into tears, he tries to stay patient. These conditions (depression, PTSD, etc.) are monsters. I guess we can only do our best to banish them by whatever means available.

Teresa,
Have you ever noticed that your BC pills exacerbate your depression? I've been off of BC for quite a few years now b/c I took a depo shot that really caused me problems. Maybe using alternative methods (I know- annoying) and going off of the BC pills would help overall. You might ask your doc or therapist about it. I hope your therapist appt goes well and you have good rapport, etc. :)

Hey everyone! I came across this site after going to Google and typing in "Lamictal Withdrawal". I guess I just have a few questions for those of you who can probably relate to what I'm going through with this whole process. Here's a little background infor first. I was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder back in March of this year. I was also diagnosed as having Borderline Personality Disorder. I did much research on my own and discovered that the symptoms I was experiencing were not really much like the Bipolar, but more like the Borderline. In fact, I would almost call myself a "text-book" case of Borderline in some of the criteria. When I read books about the disorder I remember crying because I felt like the book had been written about myself..and it felt good to have someone understand what I was going through. During a visit to my psychiatrist, she told me that she thought I may not even be Bipolar, because the Borderline can seem almost the same sometimes. However, she kept me on the Lamictal. After taking the med for about 4 months, I decided to try and taper off of it. I made this decision for two reasons: 1) I do not believe that I'm Bipolar, just Borderline..and 2) I wanted to see if I could function without the Lamictal. I tapered at what I thought was a relatively slow pace, but after coming across this site I realize that maybe it wasn't so slow. I was on 200mg, then I decreased by 50mg every week. I'd stay at the lower dosage for a week, then taper down again. Now I've been completely off the med for 6 days. So, here's my questions. I've been feeling very fatigued since stopping the Lamictal..is this a normal withdrawal symptom? I also have that "out of it" feeling that I've heard others describe on this site..also normal? And one more thing that concerns me is the fact that I've been having TERRIBLE stomach pains for the past 3 days. I went to my regular doctor yesterday to get it checked out. I do have a history of GERD, so this could also be the source of my problem. I'm not saying that it's because of the Lamictal, just wondering if it's a possibility. The doctor checked my blood count and said that everything was fine. He never did really say what was wrong with me, just that it wasn't ulcers, and presribed me some Nexium to take for a couple of weeks. I've been taking the Nexium and it's helped a little, but not as much as I'd hoped. Again, I'm just wondering if it could even be associated with the Lamictal withdrawal. And I guess my main question right now is: Does anyone know how long it will take for me to feel "normal" again? Or does anyone have any suggestions that may help me on my course? I just would like the opinions of people who have been through what I'm going through, now.

Thanks!
Beccs

Teresa,
In answer to your question: "does anyone know what else I should have him check? Should I just tell him to do a COMPLETE series of blood tests" do yourself a favour and go to Mary Shoman's About.com site. It will tell you exactly what tests to request, how to know if your doctor is actually listening to you, what "normal" parameters are. Trust me, you do not want to step into these waters without your life jacket. You need to be informed *before* you approach a doctor about thyroid conditions.

Thyroid treatment protocols are in a state of flux today. There is much controversy about what is "normal", about whether to be proactive in treatment, what the target range should be, whether the docs should focus narrowly on blood test results (a popular course of action among medicos) or actually pay attention to the patient's symptoms.

Had anyone listened to my laundry list of symptoms instead of focusing on blood test results I would not have spent 30 years in a haze of depression and fatigue. My blood test results have not changed in 30 years, they are the same as they were when I was 28 and complaining of fatigue and depression. I would probably be dead now of suicide had I not requested yet another thyroid check and had I not happened upon a physician's assistant who accepts the new definition of "normal range".

When I was 28 I had a doctor who listened to me and said "Your thyroid test says you're on the low range of normal. But you have all the symptoms of a low thyroid. I'd like to treat you for it and see what happens." Unfortunately, the man died of a heart attack three weeks later so I was never treated. 12 hospitalizations (2 of them 3 months in length), 20 years of Social Security and 8 suicide attempts later (the last within a hair's breadth of success) I find out that ten dollars a month of thyroid hormone has revolutionized my life.

I was finally correctly diagnosed about 18 months ago. I still do not have the energy of a "normal" person my age and I do still have some PTSD symptoms (which I manage just fine). But the dysthimia which plagued me for years (and which I can never seem to spell correctly) is gone and the major depression is loosening its grip. I'm getting back some of my cognition (and losing some to aging, alas). After a lifetime of sinus infections which often lead to pneumonia, even my sinuses are better. Who knew? Oh wait, the doctors *should* know. But don't.

I read an interesting article in the Boston GLOBE the other day about fatigue. They said they're identifying two things related to fatigue. One is some sort of ongoing inflammation indicator. The other has to do with mitochondria, the tiny energy "factories" within our cells.

Seems mitochondria, when faced with physical inactivity, decide "there's not much going on out there, guess we can shut down production." In the case of mitochondria the product in question is energy.

I've been wondering why I haven't bounced back more and faster in this thyroid recovery process. How much of my lack of energy is lack of conditioning, how much is depression, how much is PTSD related, aging, etc., etc. I've also been wondering why I continue to make progress long after the docs say I should be at a medical end point with hypothyroidism. Is it the walking? The writing, which seems to keep the depression demons at bay these days? The more mellow perspective of aging (yep, things that used to bug the heck out of me seem silly now that I look at the longer view of life)?

The authors of the study were talking about how prolonged rest in the face of say, the flu, can be counterproductive because it sends the wrong message to our mitochondria. As I read the article I was remembering the years of depressed inactivity. There have been many prolonged periods when I slept 20 hours a day, simply couldn't wake up. (Why would I want to, I was suicidal almost all the time? Sleeping probably saved my life. It's hard to kill yourself when you're asleep unless you sleepwalk--or take certain meds.)

My current theory is that my body is waking up after a rather too long nap. I'm going to continue walking a LOT. (My poor little new dogs' legs are probably half and inch shorter now from all this walking.) At the moment I cannot recall a time when I felt this good at this time of year. Usually I am going downhill, but the walking and writing seem to be keeping me going this year.

Don't know why I went in to all this, other than to say sometimes it's not all in our head. I'm not sure what I'll be left with in the end in the "neurotic" category.
Sherry (fingers crossed, walking shoes on, notebook and pen in pocket)

Hi Beccs,

I was horribly sick to my stomach for several weeks. I couldn't eat much of anything. I would take 2 or 3 bites of a sandwich and toss the rest. I barely ate for almost a month. I was extremely tired, my head felt like it was in a fog and couldn't seem to connect with reality, my surroundings. Loss of concentration and could not focus especially at work. Had Tremors, mainly when I first got up in the morning, depressed, crying spells, had a feeling of desperation. My opinion is that alot rides on your chemical makeup and how you personally react to meds, plus how much and how fast you are decreasing the Lamictal. I was taking 400mg and went down 100mg each week. BIG MISTAKE. That's what my knucklehead doctor told me to do. Well, it ended up being my own personnel hell for a month then I finally stabilized at 200mg. I'm not going to back off anymore right now since I feel better. The one thing I do know is that these withdrawl symptoms I described are pretty much dominate for alot of people.

Best Wishes To You and Hang In There!!!
Theresa

Theresa-
Yes, same thing with the pimples, they are hard and under the skin and take a long time to go away! Also, I have had them on my chest and shoulders and back. My boyfriend is not computer savvy, and I have asked him to please research it and read stuff, he doesn't have the patience for it, I swear he is borderline ADD LOL With the move and everything I know he is stressed as well, and has been working really long hours too. He has been better though, and I do plan to take him with me to therapy and the psychiatrist if he gets off work on time to go with me next Tuesday.
Today started off ok, until my headache started (there's a surprise), and my boyfriend gave me information that made me really angry and upset, so now I am on the verge of screaming or crying or both!!!!!! I hate when I get like this and can't handle my moods! I feel that the lower I go on the Lamictal the more my mood swings are.... I am just so dizzy again and my head really hurts... I just want to go home and lay down and be alone!!!!!!
I just have to wait to see what happens when I go to the new Psychiatrist next week and go from there!

Susie-
Yes, it is hard for our significant others mainly to deal with us when we get that way, because I am sure the first reaction is to attack back, and it's hard not to, but he is getting better. As for the Yaz, I just started back on it last month and my PMS was so much better, and I don't feel depressed as of right now, it's just these horrible headaches and the dizziness that I can't tolerate, and I think the Yaz is definitely adding to the headaches because that is one of the main side effects, so I just have to wait to see what the Psych says on Tuesday and see if he thinks I should stop taking it or not. Thank you again for your support, it means ALOT!!!!!

Sherry,
Thank you so much for the info. I will definitely check out the about.com and see what is says. When I went to the therapist last night-first visit with her, she actually told me the same thing you just did. She said that I should first go to the new Psychiatrist I am going to see next Tuesday, and that she knows a great endo some sort of doctor, can't remember what she said, I'm horrible with that. I know alot of the fatigue is obviously coming from going off of the lamictal, and my horrible headaches and dizziness etc., but I was definitely fatigued and depressed when I wasn't on any meds for periods of time. Just recently before I started lamictal I had been on Lexapro for a long time and it stopped working as they all do, and I was so depressed, wasn't working and I just slept on and off all day, didn't even get up to shower for two days at a time because I didn't have the energy and just didn't care to!! It was horrible! That's when I went to the Psych and he said he wanted to try Lamictal since it had seemed that the antidepressants weren't successful. Well we know what my story is now! I just wish I knew what is "TRUELY" wrong with me so I can fix it and function!

Teresa, Why did the therapist tell you to first go to the psychiatrist and THEN to an endo (endocrinologist)? It would make sense to find out if you have a physical problem (an endo would do blood work)that may cause what could be misdiagnosed as a psychiatric problem.

Hi Becky,
I guess she figured the most important thing was to get off of the lamictal, since I have been soooo sick!!

Theresa:
Thanks for the response! It makes me feel better to know that what I'm feeling is due to the Lamictal withdrawal. I was starting to get worried. It's really taking a toll on my nerves, that's for sure! I guess it's just something I'll have to deal with until my body chemicals get back to normal. I think I'm going to start taking some multivitamins to maybe help me get back on track and give me more energy. I don't eat all that healthy and I'm sure that's not helping me "re-balance" myself, lol.

Hi Beccs!

I to thought of vitamins for support. I was doing anything I could think of to help my mental state and to possibly ease the withdrawl.
I'm bad at taking vitamins faithfully though but taking a regiment of them everyday certainly would be a good thing. I bought vitamins B12, B6 and vitamin D. I bought these in a higher concentration because I thought they would target the areas I needed better. The vitamin B's promote a healthy nervous system and the D is suppose to help with depression I believe. Being exposed to the sun produces vitamin D in our bodies naturally but during the winter time there can be a lack of sun exposure so I've been told to increase the D even if you are taking a multivitamin. Log on Google and type in "Vitamin b and the nervous system" and you can research how the vitamins are suppose to help. Now this is what I have learned but it would be good for you to research it and talk to someone that has a good knowledge of vitamins. The reason why I mention the B's is because Lamictal gerks your nervous system around and the B's target the nervous system. People who have seizers are perscribed this med to work on the chemicals that effect the nervous system and calm it down so seizers won't occur. I have a friend who's daughter takes it for that reason. One of the vitamin B's, can't remember which one, you can melt under your tounge which allows it to more effciently get into your blood stream. That is what the vitamin expert told me when I purchased them.

Well Take care and hope to hear from you!! :)

Hi Theresa, Becky and Sherry-
Hope everyone is feeling ok today. I'm not :( VERY tired, so fatigued I can barely keep my head up and eyes open today. It's really nsaty outside and I think the weather is contributing to the way I am feeling. My headache isn't as bad, it's faint today and I am still dizzy, but mostly very tired!

Lots of love and appreciation to all of you for sharing your experiences. Doc suggested Lamictal for me for occasional seizures. It scares me to find out it is also used for bipolar disorder. I think the truth (ultimately good for all of us in the long run even though it might sting at times) would out the dirty little pharms secret that in just about every incident where someone went on a shooting rampage, that person had recently stopped anti-depressant medication or changed it, ever since that lady who drowned her own kids in Florida way back when, to Columbine, Virgina Tech and all of the others like them. Hey, just saying.

Hey All,
I am trying to tapper off the medication. 4 weeks ago I stopped Gedeon due to side effects. I was taking it for 5 weeks, first 60, then 40, finally 20 and then stopped as my pdoc directed (to fast?). About 3 weeks ago I stopped taking Lithium 450 mg which I was taking in larger dosage for 2 years. So based on my pdoc recomendation I took 300 for 2 days and then stop completely. Since I stopped Gedeon and Lithium I feel more connected but I am depressed, hopeless,no energy, not myself, no motivation. I have had more anxiety but it is gone now. AND NOW!! For last two years I was taking LAMICTAL. The highest dosage I took was 150mg. Because it made me so jittery I ended up on 25mg a day. Since a week I am trying to cut down on Lamictal. My pdoc recomended me to take half (12.5mg) for a week and then stop. So today is the sixth day of 12.5mg of Lamictal at night. In the morning I feel better (i take .25mg of klonopin and 2.5 of lexapro in the morn) lightly depressed, not fully myself, but at least twice a day my depresion gets realy severe for 1-2 hours. I do not rememember when I felt like that. It hurts so bad. It is a depression connected with feeling of being sick, poisoned, anxious etc. It is even hard to describe it ho bad it feels. It's like a attack. Is that normal Lamictal and other meds withdrawal????? How long it lasts??? I was taking such a small dosage!!!Please answear my questions. Overall I see the meds made me so disconnected and dessocciated. Will my emotions and motivation come back????? I am so lost. I do not want to go and see my pdoc because he will say that my depression is comming back and give me some another medication. Since two weeks I take omega 3, vitamin C, Milivit, Magnesium and B complex. I am sick of medication and I do not think I ever needed so many of them even in the smallest dosage. Please let me know if the symptoms I am experiencing are the meds withdrawal? Thanks and God Bless you all.

Theresa,

My doctor called back a few days ago and told me to go ahead and drop down to 100 mg. It's been about a week since I dropped from 200 to 150 and I only had the dull headache and nausea for about three days. I've waited until (today, tonight actually) to drop down to 100mg as my husband has been out of town on business and I want someone here in case I have issues. I will let you know how it goes. I see my doctor on Tuesday as well.

Thank you for getting back to me. This information is a comfort. Good to know I'm not alone.

I hope you're feeling better Teresa and get to rest some over the weekend.
The leaves are changing here (in VA) and the weather is nice. But my first thought when I saw the pretty colors yesterday was; "Oh no! Winter's coming!"
I wish time would stop for just a little bit so I could get well and catch up.

Jimmy,
I’m sorry about the pain you’re going through. I can relate. I wanted to give you my opinion (from experience and what I’ve read) on some of your questions;
1st - yes, I believe your doc went WAY too fast. I’m wondering how your doc came up with that reduction schedule (go from 450 Lithium to 300 for 2 days and stop?). Follow your gut when it comes to your pdoc.
2nd - yes, what you are going through is normal (typical) withdrawal. No question. Keep reading and researching online and you’ll find others who’ve gone through the exact same thing.
3rd - Many people including myself have found the last and smallest dosage is the hardest to stop (causes severe withdrawal). I think going from 200mg Lamictal to 100 was much easier than 25 to 12.5 to 0.
If I were you, I would let your body adjust to all the changes you’ve already made before making anymore (stopping Lamictal). You seem to be in tune with what is going on inside you (i.e. severe 1-2 hours a day, etc.). That should be the most helpful in determining when to move forward. More than what a doctor says or the manufacturer’s label says or a stranger suggests.
This website may be helpful: http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/about

Philip and I both have huge comment threads on Lamictal withdrawal on our blogs...and it's clear many of us are struggling for information.

I have written a recent update on my experience that might interest many of you.

Lamictal withdrawal-important update

I hope that embedding worked...if not here is the URL to cut and paste:

http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2008/10/19/lamictal-withdrawal/

Theresa:

Thanks for the vitamin B info..I actually didn't know they did all of that, lol. I'm bad at taking vitamins regularly, too. I tend to miss several days in between or forget altogether. I've just been taking some Women's One A Day that I bought a while back. I figured that way it's several vitamins rolled into one pill, lol. The only bad thing is that sometimes it makes me feel kinda nauseated. I try to take them after a meal, now. My stomach pains are finally going away for the most part but now I'm starting to experience a little irritability. Did you experience that with your withdrawal? I think I read on here, or somewhere, that some people do experience emotional sensitivity when withdrawing which leads them to get back on the meds. I don't want to do that if this is something that will eventually calm down. Ugh..this has turned out to be harder to do than I expected. This is the first med I've ever been on that actually has consequences to getting off of it.

Beccs

hi guys here i am laying in bed on week 6 back on lamictal 12.5 i havent been able to work since 09/02 i took lamictal 12.5 mgs for 6 days in 8/08 and quit because i didnt care for side effects of nausea dizziness and agitation what followed can only be described as HORRIFIC after 14 days off panic attacks and uncontrollable crying jags went back on 09/07/08 so here i am about 6 weeks later and i still feel i cant work i thought i was getting better back to driving but then suddenly i feel i cant again i would luv to go back to work but with my changing moods and concentration i cant yet i havent been to the gym in almost 7 weeks i used to go a few times a week i just lay in bed and stare at the wall sometimes i feel so tired everyday i go online wandering if i could get info on how much longer it will be just periods of depression crying I did not have this to begin with Lamictal was supposed to help me stick with thoughts kinda cognitive thing Has anybody successfully bounced back to stabalize and function again out of work 6 weeks and dont think i can go in this coming week Can anyone help?

"feminine problems" - "problems with period" -hormonal?
I see some mention of these in the littany of Lamictal side effects. My daughter took Lamictal for awhile, going up to 100. For the whole time, whenever her "monthly" would be coming, she would suffer suicidality. Other strange things never happening before included massive cramping, hot flashes, etc. It was a dangerous time so tapering was critical. Each time she would reduce the dose, acute suicidality would rear its ugly head. She finally had to be hospitalized for safekeeping to finish the taper. Anyone else have this?

And a word about why I personally can't bear psychiatrists: They killed my father in the early days of ECT. They killed my son from Zyprexa (one of those cheesy community mental health docs - I tried to get his license taken away based on clinical record evidence, but no. This is Maryland, one of the worst states for protecting the public - see list at Public Citizen). And they almost killed my daughter from lithium toxicity: This was a doctor from Hopkins - I made the diagnosis through reading. In addition to the carnage, various members of my family have been insulted by their superior manner, making one afraid to question their "authority". Now we are working with an orthomolecular psychiatrist. It's taking a big chunk of our life savings but life is short. Many lab tests, many supplements, and slow weaning off parnate seem to be bringing my daughter, finally, back to normal. She has lost four years of her life thanks to maltreatment.

Hi Beccs,
It is good to hear from you!!
I didn't get irritable backing off the Lamictal cause I was so out of it in my head that it took everything I had not to loose it completely. I was overwhelmed with Depression and Anxiety. I was constantly taking deep breaths being on the verge of a panic attack trying not to hyperventilate. My brain was constantly busy with negative racing thoughts, constant worry, being fearful of what I was going through and wondering when I was going to feel better, Every night I prayed to God that I would wake up the next day and feel good. It was a nightmare everyday for 1 month and then I started to feel like my old self again toward the end of August. Labor Day weekend was the first weekend that I felt truly better, however I am still taking 200mg from 400mg. When I started to feel better my doctor thought it would be a good idea to stabilize for awhile and if I wanted to continue backing down that I could still do that. 400mg did make me irritable and I had outbursts of anger.
I experienced only one side effect from going on the drug and that was feeling nauseated in the mornings, I would sometimes even get the dry heaves. It's been the only drug I have ever taken that I had an awful experience with.

Hi Linda,

When I was going through my nightmare, I kept looking to my family and friends for comfort and answers, for someone to tell me it's going to be okay. There were fleeing moments when I would have a thought pop into my head that I WOULD recover and I would be okay. Most of the time it was almost impossible to hang onto a good thought, but during that time I would tell myself that no matter what, I won't feel this way forever.
The one thing that helped me to be able to start feeling better was an SSRI, I hate to say it, I know from what I have read that most folks do not want to go that route and I understand and I don't want it to sound like I'm pushing SSRI's but for me the combo of the 2 drugs worked well. I believe the antidepressant that I started taking with the lamictal helped to level me out and finally relieved me of my anxiety and panic attacks. This is what is working for me, but I still have to be taking somethng.
I'm sorry that you are still gong through a tough time, but it will end. Stay Strong!!!

Foods-That-Can-Cause-Panic-Attacks---The-Top-3-Foods-to-Avoid

For those of us who have high anxiety and get panic attacks there are some foods to avoid that can cause an attack. I had heard some time ago the caffeine can cause an attack to occur. This has happened to me before but it happened only once and after that although I like coffee I had avoided it for a long time. I just wanted to convey some info on the subject in case anyone may be interested.

Theresa:

I've also been having negative thoughts. Mainly when I first wake up in the morning. I have a Dialectical Behavioral Therapy workbook that I'm using to learn how to control my Borderline, and it suggested that I keep a record of every negative thought I have. I've been doing this for a few days, now, and by following my entries I can see that the thoughts are more common in the morning and begin to space out as the say progresses. I don't think I mentioned in my first entry that I also quit Vyvanse and Seroquel shortly after I began tapering the Lamictal. I never really thought that'd affect anything, but after reading other entries on here I've learned that several different drugs can work together, so I wonder if I'm having effects from those as well. I don't think the Vyvanse is a concern any more but the Seroquel could be. I stopped taking it for a few days then got back on it because I was having trouble sleeping. I stopped again because it just makes me way too tired about half of the next day. I do need something to help me sleep better so my Aunt is going to let me try 5mg of her Ambien tonight. I'm hoping it won't be as strong as the Seroquel. I know that I can't take it every night due to its instructions but if I can get better sleep during the school week that'd be nice. Anyway, you might have told me and if you have I apologize for asking again, but how long did you take Lamictal before you began tapering? I've only been completely off of it for a little over a week and I have been getting slowly better. Baby steps..baby steps..lol! I do agree with you, thought, that you have to keep telling yourself that this shall pass and put faith in God that it will. Thanks again for your support and I hope you're doing well!!

*Beccs

Hi Theresa-
What are the other two foods aside from Coffee that you should stay away from? I have found that I can have some decaf coffee and I am ok. I had a bad episode last week with coffee, major panic attack!
I am feeling better mentally today, but I have not been able to drop from the 37.5 mg's of Lamictal or I get nutso and am angry and violent and mean, and crazy!!! I go to a new Psych tomorrow after work and I'm hoping he can give me a lower dose so that I can go down very slow!
Other than that I am very tired and feel like I'm getting sick :( Could just be the lamictal withdrawal- flu-like feeling!!!!

Beccs,
What workbook are you using? A friend of mine is looking for something like that and I'd like to pass the info on to her.
Sherry

Becky,

Thank You so much for your post. I felt better already. I should listen to you but I got brave and today is the third day with no lamictal at all. Last two days were ok but today I experience some anxiety, I am edgy, agitated, have some depression, I am slow, not motivated. I do not feel good but it is better than it used to be. Is that normal that I still slide down?? When will my mood balance? I still take 750mg of Depakote, 2.5 Of Lexapro and .25 of klonopin a day. I do not know what next. I am trying to delay my doc's visit because I do not want to hear that my illness is comming back. I am tring to eat healthy, take suplements, exercise. It is not easy but better than take all of this meds. I am thinking about getting of the meds completely. What is your sugestion? Should I try???? Thank You again for your post and making me feel better

Hey Sherry! I'd love to share the info! The name of the book is "The Dialectical Behavior Therapy Skills Workbook" by Matthew McKay, Jeffrey Wood, and Jeffrey Brantley. Here's the link: http://www.amazon.com/Dialectical-Behavior-Therapy-Workbook-Interpersonal/dp/1572245131/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1224632555&sr=8-1

This has been a really great help to me and I recommend it to anyone with BPD. Hope this helps your friend! Have a good night!

*Beccs

Just bought a book 'Your Drug May Be Your Problem' How and Why to Stop Taking Psy Meds. It seems like it may be beneficial for those coming off meds. Anyway-thats all.

Beccs,
Thank you so much. It's almost impossible to grow up in a seriously abusive home and not pick up some (okay, a lot) of borderline behaviours from the people who raise you. So yeah, I have tons of friends who can use this resource.

I am quite sure that any self-respecting shrink who took a look at me in my twenties would have dxed me with borderline. But I have not fit that dx for decades now. It took a lot of hard work to learn new behaviours, but I did. My life is rich with long term friendships and a happy 30-year marriage. A lot of family and dysfunctional friends have been escorted to the edges of my life and replaced by much healthier and more satisfying relationships. Borderline used to be considered "hopeless". It takes a lot of work and you are the only one who can do that work, but you definitely can work yourself out of that dx.

I found an Al Anon Adult Children of Alcoholics group very useful in working my way out of behaviours. It didn't do all that much for the emotional stuff, but definitely taught me new approaches to life and thinking.

Keep up the good work. It's more than worth it. Whatever/whoever you give up to move forward towards health is more than replaced in your life.
Sherry

Hi Beccs

Sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday!
You had asked how long I was on the lamictal before I started tapering and I was on it about a year. I started tapering down in the last week of July. I remember it was on a Thursday that I started on the 300mg from 400mg. Friday and Sat. I was fine but looking back I do remember feeling more tired but didn't think to much about it. On Sunday I was feeling alittle agitated and blah and by the next day I was like a sinking ship, I went down from there. I remember my husband and I went to dinner and we were just sitting there talking and I felt extremely emotional and tried not to cry, couldn't hold it back though. That first week was horrible and got worse from there.
From reading your last blog it sounds like your doing better and the book you have been reading has been a great help to you. I'm happy that you found something to help you through this tough time.

Take Care, Theresa

Hi Teresa,

Hope your doing well today!! How are you feeling?? :) A happy face never hurts!!
Sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday. The other 2 foods you asked about to avoid from having a panic attack are sugar and alcohol. Ya know looking back when I was going through withdrawls and had that horrible panic attack I had totally lost my appetite but there was a chocolate muffin on the counter and I thought that it looked a little appealing so I ate half and well, guess what happened. I don't think it was just the muffin though. I was so stressed out and had been taking Zoloft to try and relieve the anxiety that it worked the opposite on me. I had only been taking it for a few days. After having the panic attack I didn't take the Zoloft any more and that's when I switched to Paxil. I think that it may have played a part in having the panic attack plus I was extremely depressed that day to the point of feeling numb but yet at the same time feeling extreme anxiety to. I was definitely screwed up. I wanted to swap brains with somebody!! How did it go with the new Psych and did he reduce your dosage?? Let me know how it went!!

Take Care, Theresa

Hi Jimmy,
I gathered from reading your two posts that you have been on medications for at least two years, tapering off of some of them within the last 4-5 weeks. You’ve mentioned; GEODON, LITHIUM, LAMICTAL, KLONOPIN, LEXAPRO and DEPAKOTE. It helps to know where you’re starting from and how far you’ve already come.
I listed them like that in case you are like me; Back in February ’08, I went to the dentist and they asked what meds I was on and when I named them, I was shocked (LAMICTAL, CYMBALTA, VYVANSE & LITHIUM). I hadn’t even realized how much I was prescribed! I was diagnosed with mild depression in 1996. How did I end up here on all this!
It’s hard to believe (especially when doctors don’t acknowledge it) but coming off of psychiatric drugs can be dangerous. It can cause severe, emotional and physical problems.
In the beginning of my withdrawal, I was throwing up for days and I shouldn’t have been driving with the dizziness I was experiencing.
You need to arm yourself with as much information as possible about withdrawal from the specific drugs you’re on. For example: some meds (Lamictal being one) take a while to get out of your system and withdrawal symptoms might be delayed. Klonopin and Depakote, I’m sure have very different withdrawal symptoms that I don’t know about personally.
I also have the book Max just suggested. There’s a section about getting off of multiple drugs that may be helpful. If you want to get off meds successfully, you need to develop a plan and proceed carefully in order to minimize symptoms of anxiety and depression as you’ve already experienced.
Take care of yourself.

Went on 200mg Lamotrogine 4 years ago after a psychotic episode. Experienced all those side effects, fatigue, neck ache, lack of concentration, lack of motivation, depression, hair falling out, depression, forgot how to spell, weight gain of 4 stone. Had to give up my job as a piano teacher and haven't felt the impulse to play my piano ever since - lack of interest, as in everything. In May my best friend killed herself and I felt nothing because all my emotions are numb.

Four months ago my doctor agreed that I should start cutting down. I've reduced in 25mg drops and didn't feel any worse than usual - which is pretty awful. When I reached 100mg 4 weeks ago the withdrawal symptoms really hit me. Everything I felt before became incredibly much worse. For several days I haven't showered and in the 4 weeks I've done no housework or tidying up. All I wanted to do was sleep and make the world go away. When up and about, all I did was crosswords (despite my awful spelling), chain smoked and drank endless cups of tea. Also, I went down with 'the rash' for the first time.

Discovering this website was a life saver. I'd had no idea that what I've been going through is due to the medication. I'd thought for 4 years that I'm lazy, worthless and mentally ill. I wished I'd discovered your blogs years ago.

Anyway, I woke up at 11.50 this morning and I felt okay for the first time. I've done some housework, felt energetic and clear-headed and feel hopeful for the future. I know this probably won't last - I'm going down to 75mg in a week or so and am expecting more withdrawal symptoms - but while this feeling lasts I shall enjoy it. I feel like 'me' again and I'd forgotten what it felt like.

So let's all 'hang in' there. We can make it through to the other side.

By the way, someone advised getting a cat. Mine has helped me get through everything by her presence and affection. I thoroughly recommend cats!

If anyone's interested I'll let you know how I get on with the rest of my withdrawal. Best wishes to you all on the journey.

Theresa-
Hi, how are you doing? I am doing decent I guess, aside from my throat being a little sore and having a little cold. I am down a bit lower on the Lamictal, and the Psych I went to prescribed me 25 mg pills so that I can go down to 25 for a week and than 12.5 for a week, and than stop. We shall see if I can do it that fast. From the past months experience, I wont be able to. It was almost like he was telling me I was lying about how the littles drops give me horrible withdrawals. He did agree that it sounds like I am very sensitive to meds. He prescribed me Buspar. Have you ever been on that or heard of it? I guess it's for anxiety, but I have mood swings too, especially coming off the Lamictal, so I'm not sure why he gave me that. he said that I should tolerate it well, and that he will keep me at a low dose. I didn't like him either. That's two in the past two months that I don't like. I felt like he was asking me what was wrong with me and for me to basically diagnose myself, HELLO I'm not the doctor here!
Where do they get their Licenses, from Cracker Jack boxes?
I took half of the pill at 1:OO and my headache and dizziness are worse than they were before so, and I am more tired! Don't know!!!!

Sherry:
Glad I could help in some way with the book info! Like I said, it has been a huge help to me. It's really made me take a different look at a lot of situations and now I'm starting to understand the REAL reasons behind my emotions and outburts. I didn't grow up in a physically abusive home, but I suffered a lot of mental abuse from a very young age. I had a stepfather who controlled every aspect of my life and my mother was too stuck up his ass to take up for me. Once the two of them became married it was like I completely vanished from her world and it was all about her and him. But not trying to tell a sob story, lol. It's good to hear people who used to have BPD say that recovery is possible..it gives me even more hope and realization that it can be done. I know it won't be easy, because it hasn't thus far, but I want it bad enough to do whatever it takes. Glad to hear that you were able to overcome! I hope you're doing well!

Theresa:
Hope you're doing well!! Tapering isn't easy. I think my experience and definitely everyone else's on here proves that. I never thought it would be so much trouble to get off of a medication. I have recently stopped taking the Seroquel, as well. It was making me unable to stay awake and function well during the day. I have found that I sleep better with "assistance" so I've been taking my Aunt's Ambien for the past 2 nights. I've only been taking 5mg and I'm not sure how well it's actually working..I know that may sound strange, lol. It's just that I'm so used to the "knocked out" feeling the Seroquel gave me that I figured all sleep meds were that way. But then again Seroquel is an antipsychotic..not really a "sleep" med. I do feel much more rested when I wake up. I called my doctor's office today to see if they could call me in a prescription for some Ambien and I'm waiting to hear back from them on it. Anyway, again, hope everything's going well for you!!

*Beccs

hi im back on computer after3 day break couldnt even concentrate or attach to environment last 2 days i laid on sofa staring into space last 2 nites i went into bed with mom and stayed a little whilw pathetic i know Im 47 yrs old THIS IS HORRIFIC Im still out of work since 09/02 i need a time to hold onto a timeframe so i can tell them when i can rturn to work been back on Lamictal since 09/07 so it is now 6 weeks thought i was getting better startred to drive again after not driving a month but then sunk back in havent been out of house since fri morn i feel likw Im having the same symptoms i had when i was 14 days off and had to start again sobbing uncontrollably waking up early in a.m. and not being able to get back every week call job and say i can return next week and here it is and i cant I need a timeframe Everyone says it will get better but WHEN ? My docs off on vacation and he's the one that prescribed it didnt mention Withdrawal and doesnt believe in it HELP

Beccs and Sherry-
Have either of you had any experiences taking Buspar, or know anything about it?
The new Pdoc I went to last night wants me to try it, and I haven't heard great things about it.
I am wondering why he is giving me something for Anxiety when I have klonopin for that, and my main problem is the mood swings, especially with coming off of Lamictal.

Hey Theresa! I've never taken Buspar. I take klonopin for my anxiety. When I saw my psych, she presribed me the Seroquel and said that since it did the same as klonopin I would no longer have to take the klonopin..this ended up not being true, though. I was able to lower my dosage of klonopin from 2mg down to .5mg, but that's it. Did your doc say anything about maybe trying to take you off the klonopin at some point? Just wondering because that's what mine told me when I was out on Seroquel. Sorry I couldnd't help out on this one, lol!

Linda,
I'm so sorry you're having such a horrible time. Do you think you should find another doctor? Maybe a psychologist who knows about meds but won't just prescribe more? I know that would be difficult but these withdrawal symtoms are lasting way too long. You need some relief.
I don't leave the house much either. It's mostly due to fatigue and still being scatterbrained. I'm starting to feel a little better emotionally though. Have you thought about trying the supplements from theroadback.org or some other program? Hang in there!

My daughter took BuSpar for a very short period. She had suicidal ideation on that the same as when she was on any SSRI.

Klonopin is a benzo and highly addictive; whereas Seroquel is an antipsychotic originally created for psychotic events with schizophrenia.

I personally had withdrawals from hell coming off of Seroquel, same as Xanax.

I currently take Lamictal.

I did take Buspar. Very briefly. It did nothing for the anxiety. But within days it made me feel as if I'd been eating razor blades. I'm not kidding. It was the strangest sensation in my stomach. My doc took me right off it. This is unusual in my experience because usually the docs are in total denial about side effects, but I guess it's kind of hard to pin something as physical as "I feel as if I've been eating razor blades" on my "mental illness".

As for Klonopin, watch out for that stuff! It really IS highly addictive. I found all of the so-called "anti-anxiety" drugs to be a dead-end street. Your doc probably would like you off the addictive klonopin and has suggested buspar as an alternative because it's the least addictive of that species of drugs.

So klonopin, while it may be helpful now, is only going to demand more and more from you. Like all addictive drugs it will become less effective and you'll have to take more and more.

The other little problem with klonopin--and the reason I hate the stuff more than any other drug on the market--is that it is notorious for reducing or eliminating inhibitions. Did your original prescribing doc mention that little factoid? Mine didn't. And I ended up taking a MASSIVE overdose, trying to gas myself in my truck and drown myself--all in one grand and glorious night. The bright lights at my local hospital decided I was lying about it all and sent me home--twice--where I nearly died. My family doc took a blood test 2 and a half days after the original overdose and at that time my blood level of klonopin was only 2 points below toxic. The prescribing doc refused to let him hospitalize me, made him send me home. Where I tried to hang myself in the woodshed.

The local cops finally intervened, told my husband to take me to another city, another hospital. They escorted us out of town. I tried to hang myself in that hospital. I couldn't figure out why I was doing all this, it was totally out of character for me. Finally the nurse who'd interrupted my suicide attempt (just as I was stepping off the overturned waste basket) told me "the doctor says it's the medication still in your blood stream." This was almost four days after the initial attempt(s).

I spent three weeks in the hospital, with the attending doc shaking his head in amazement that I was still alive.

However. His discharge summary, while it pulled some punches, mentioned NONE of the statements he made to me during my hospitalization. It was a tissue of lies and half truths designed to cover the ass of the prescribing doc, who had privileges at that hospital also (I fired him when I was admitted, refused to speak to him).

Treating doc's discharge summary gave me an Axis 2 diagnosis I'd never had before or since, which he read to me out of the DSM later, shaking his head and saying "Oh no, this isn't you at all!". He corrected it in pencil on his copy. But never changed the digital copy.

I will never trust a psychiatrist again. I have totally betrayed by the profession's need to cover one another's butts. Nor will I ever take another psychotropic medication.

Klonopin, in my opinion, is a really bad drug. It's addictive, doesn't work in the long run and, as my experience has taught me, holds some potential to kill you.

What has helped my anxiety? Yoga, Tai Chi, meditation, learning to tolerate unpleasant emotions, understanding this is a temporary thing--no matter how unpleasant, better nutrition, walking--a LOT, getting rid of annoying people (like pdocs), cultivating relationships with people who actually LIKE me, treatment for an undiagnosed thyroid condition, understanding that a lot of my anxiety is a hangover from a crappy childhood, getting older (I'm mellowing out--a lot). A whole host of things that have added up, bit by bit, over the years. But medication helped the least. And nearly killed me, to boot.

At this point you're probably sorry you ever asked. But that's my experience with the benzos. I do not recommend them to anyone. I'm going to read "My Stroke of Insight", a new book written by a neuroscientist who had a massive stroke that wiped out her left brain functioning. She talks a lot about how these strong emotions are a series of circuits in our brain. When she feels rage now, she reminds herself of this and simply waits it out, waits for the circuit to complete itself and burn out. I think I may find some of this helpful.

Teresa, Hey Girl!!

OH,!! I'm really pissed off at the way this psych treated you. First of all, I to have a sensitivity or low tolerence to alot of meds. You know, all of us must be super sensitive to Lamictal. The comment he made when he perscribed you Buspar, "you should tolerate it well" how does he know!! That's what my doc told me about Lamictal. It's a hit and miss, truth is you don't know how someone is going to react until they actually start taking the drug. I'm SORRY if I sound so negative about the whole situation, I just hate the fact that he also treated you as if you were lying about your withdrawls. Right now I'd like to take a frikin bottle of Lamictal and shove it down his throat. I have never taken Buspar. I log onto a website called, "WebMd" and it will tell you information on the drug. There is also a section that you can read about peoples comments in regards to taking the drug and how they reacted to it. I'm so sorry that your going through this, I feel bad for everyone!!! :( I'm always reading about the different drugs they perscribe and then I read about it on WebMd. The list of side effects that are listed for some drugs are enough to scare the shit out of you, pardon my expression. This morning when I got up I felt like one of those bobble heads, you know the little toy or whatever it is, that you put on the dashboard of the car and the head is on a spring bouncing all over the place :) I'll be fine. Know matter how awful you feel YOU WILL get through this. My psychcologist told me that it might help to try, no matter how hard it is, to find something that you like to do maybe a hobby or something anything that will help your mind to focus on something else. I surfed the web alot and tryed to get out of the house at least once in awhile and went to the bookstore and read some things that interested me. It doesn't help completely but it does help alittle.

Keep in touch and let me know how you are doing!! Theresa :)

Becky,

Yes you are right, the plan wold be a key to get off my medication. Should I do it with my doctor? You know how they are. Thy think that your depression and anxiety is comming back. When it comes to ammount of meds I have also realized how many I take when I was leaving for vacation. Today is my 5th day off Lamictal. I am still depressed, but little bit more I was when I stopped Lithium and Gedeon.When that happens, my head feels funny and fuzzy, my neck hurts. I can also sleep long hours. Yesterday evening and today in the morning I felt nausea and my joints hurts. Is that normal?? Also, I have recognized that since I started to tapper off meds I amd not myself, I have lack of emotions, feel kind of flat, days go by so fast, I am kind of numb. Is that also normal? Sometimes when I take extra Klonopin things get better, but I do not want to use it too much....i do not know. Thank You

Sherry, I really appreciate you sharing your story here.

Hi Beccs,

How are you doing?? I hope that each day is better :) I was taking Xanax to help me sleep at night because if I hadn't taken it I know there's no way I would have slept. I would have been pacing back and forth in the house and probably trying like hell not to have a panic attack. The next day though I was extemely tired. My Mom takes it and it calms her but she doesn't get tired, I take it and I'm numb. I haven't been taking it much lately. I don't know how some people can like downers (that's the category I would put it in)and become addited to it. I would never be able to function at all, but maybe for others they like the feeling of being numb.
Keep in touch and let me know how you are doing!! Take Care, Theresa :)

Sherry-
I'm so sorry about what a hard time you had! It's amazing how these "Amazing" drugs can make you 100% worse than you were to begin with!!! The doctors just don't understand what they are doing to people, and that is why I was so angry the other night when I went to the new Pscyh, and he may as well have told me that I was lying about the withdrawals from such a low does of the Lamictal, and I said to him, that it's easy for Psychiatrists to say because they haven't taken them, and they have no idea what if feels like! As for the Buspar, I don't know why he gave it to me, I don't even know if he kept in mind that I was taking Klonopin because it seemed he asked me the same questions over and over, and didn't even really "listen" to what I was saying. He was just weird if you ask me!
I felt like I knew more than he did! Just the questions he asked were off the wall, and I was ready to walk out 10 minutes into it!!! He never mentioned giving it to me for anxiety or to help with the withdrawals from Lamictal or to get me off of Klonopin. As for the Klonopin, I take .25 mg's occassionally, I don't even take it every day. Only when I really need to, because it makes me really tired, so it's hard to take it at work. I am usually always tired as it is!!! I've never been hooked on it, or had a hard time with it. I surprisingly enough, don't have a very addictive personality, which is weird considering my Dad who passed away at 46 was a terrible alcoholic. I used to smoke and would quit all of the time just like that. Noone could ever understand how I could smoke one day and not the next. I am also very sensitive to drugs. Well the one good thing the new Psych did was gave me 25 mg's of Lamictal which I went down to starting last night. I am very dizzy today and nauseous and have a horrible headache again which was starting to subside.... I guess I have to just deal with it until I stabilize again! At least I'm getting closer. The anxiety is definitely alot worse... My mind is going in 8 thousand directions! I have so much to do with moving this weekend that I have tons of things I need to do, and of course they keep going through my head over and over and it feels like it's going to explode! I hate when I get that way, because EVERYTHING in the world that I want, need or feel that I need to do keeps going through my head over and over until I do them. Even stupid things such as I need a new pair of shoes, or pants or I have to go to the store, minial things drive me crazy!!!! Everything that I see that I want or need stresses me out, like if I see someone with a purse or pair of shoes or anything that I like or want it's like I obsess over it. I think of everything in the world at the same time!!! I need to learn that I have to take it one thing at a time and I can't have EVERYTHING or do EVERYTHING now, but when I am anxious and stressing I don't know how to make my mind stop!!!!! I decided not to take the Buspar. I took it once yesterday and got more dizzy than I already was.... I need to figure out what I'm going to do next!
Theresa-
Thank you again for your support! I know I will get through this I just wish my mind would slow down! I just drank soda, which I usually don't do but for some reason I really wanted it. I've been craving sweets alot again too, but I think I am starting to PMS. I'm tired and am ready to take a nap on my desk!
I certainly know what you mean about the bobble head, and I have to say you really made me laugh with that one. I can definitely relate!
I am moving this weekend and once settled in I am going to join the gym again so that I can go work out and do Yoga as well! I also want to start going back to the tanning salon, I find it relaxing and I like to be tan as well and since moving to North Carolina 4 1/2 months ago from Florida, I am completely pale. I also plan to pamper myself with a manicure and pedicure, and get my hair done which I haven't had done in a while because Financially I couldn't do it! I've been saving to move and FINALLY I am this weekend!!! I think the next few weeks will be hectic but good for me to be back in my own place!!!!
Even though that brings many many stressors of all the things I need to buy for the place and do!!!!! :-) One day at a time, right?? !!!

Becky,

It is me again. I got hit bad with depression today. Like I described in my prewious posts, it is strong depressed feeling along with feelings that are hard to describe. Today I also had bad taste in my mouth and neusea. It was worsening since yesterday and it got it's peak while I am at work. Again, today is the 5th day with no lamictal. Are those waves of depression are withdrawal or my illnes is comming back??????? I only took 25 of Lamictal for almost 2 years. I am scared because I was so happy about comming off medication and I was feeling better, but now I am loosing my hope and I am affraid that I will have to take them again. Now I took .25 of Klonopin and it make me feel little better. How to determine if those symptoms are withdrawal or mental illness?......I do not want to take meds anymore.

Hey Theresa!! My doctor gave me Rozerem for sleep. Well, actually, it was the doctor's nurse and they gave it to me over the phone. Which I didn't even know they could do. I took it last night and it did help me sleep. It made me a little groggy today but not near as bad as the Seroquel did. I've only taken it once so it's kinda hard to judge anything just yet.

*Beccs

Buspar is also RXed for migraines as a prophylactic med. That's all I know about it.

Linda- if your psych doesn't believe in withdrawal fx, you need to find a new one. He's either in the pharma co's pockets or he's just an idiot (no offense to you, please!) I just hate to see you under the power of someone like that. These withdrawal fx are just too well documented for someone to summarily dismiss them.

I've been off of Lamictal for almost a month now. Lately, I've been absolutely worthless. My sugar cravings may be gone but I keep eating and eating. I guess I'm making up for the horrific stomach issues during the heavy withdrawal. :) If I don't take the Atavan at night, I don't sleep and even if I do, I only sleep well every third or forth day. Joy. I have ZERO energy but that may be the anemia. I sent in my Hemoccult (they should have gotten it last week on Tuesday) but no results yet. I called on Monday, but the nurse said she didn't see that they had it. I don't want to collect samples again... One thing I'm finding really odd is that I'm retching in reaction to the smell of feces. I've NEVER done that. One of the cats had a fragrant bowel movement and I was retching beyond belief. When I collected the hemoccult sample, I retched so hard every time that I "leaked" urine and one time full out vomited. I'm not sure anymore what is due to the drug/lack of the drug or if I'm just f'd up. Arrruugghh! Wouldn't a blood test that told us what was causing everything be sooooo nice???????

Best to everyone and hope you are all doing the best you can right now.

Sherry,

HOLY COW!!!! I have a lot of admiration for you- you've kept going and kept at it (I know, not for lack of trying!) :) Because of what you've said, I'll NEVER take klonopin! Wow...

Has anyone every heard of Pia Mellody? I went to my new therapist on Monday and she's a big fan/proponent of this Pia Mellody and her methodologies. Why is it that every time I go to a therapist (I haven't been to one in awhile) I come out feeling like I was squeezed through a wringer? It's like someone cut me open and scooped out everything inside me. I am hoping that this therapy will help but it's just sooooo exhausting. I know, nothing worthwhile is easy (why is that???)...

Jimmy-
You only took 25mg of lamictal for 2 years and the withdrawls are bad? What other drugs are you on? I've been on Lam for 2 years taking 100mg and am planninhg to wean off over a 6-9 month period. I'm not sure if i'm making a sound decision and i dont know if i'll have the nerves to handle it. I'm a little concerned about long-term use of this med and have a little down time in my work to focus on this.
Teresa-
I know what that scatter-mind feels like. I dont think i've had it since taking lamictal. Maybe i need to stay on it. Geez.
Everyone-
Is it possible to get off this shit? Are there any success stories?

Max-
Yea, it stinks being scatter brained, especially when you are anxious at the same time!
I have a million things going through my head right now, because I am moving this weekend, and I'm trying to remember everything I need to do! I wont rest until it's all done LOL
That's part of my craziness!!! I will be stressed until everything is the way I want it, and I feel that I have everthing that I need! It's so hard to work today, because I am excited and anxious! I am dizzy and my vision is very blurred from the Lamcital withdrawals :( I can't wait to finally be completely off of this horrible drug! I plan to eat well and do alot of excercising and YOGA!

Max,

I was on multiple medication durring last 3 years. Two months ago I tried Abilify but after a month of taking it and constant panick attacks my dock took me off. Then I tried Gedeon for a month and due to numerous side effects you do not want to hear about my pdoc told me to stop within a week. At the same time I was taking 600 of Lithium for the last 2 years so month ago my doc took me of that also due to my psorisis getting worse. He had me discontinue the Lithium within 3 days (to fast?). Two weeks ago I started cutting my 25mg Lamictal tablet in half as doctor told me to do. I took 12.5 for a week and then stopped. Today is the 6th day off lamictal and it is not that bad. Yesterday my depression was horrible. After I stopped Gedeon and Lithium I am more connected which was my problem for years. That was medication that made me feel dissociated so figure it out. I am still taking 750mg of depakote, 2.5 of Lexapro (I do not know why but this is my doc) and .25 of Klonopin. As you see within about month and a half I tappered of many meds. Maybe that is why I fill like shit, I do not know. I am sick of meds and I think they did more worse things than good. I am so confused trust me Max if those symptoms are withdrawal related or my depression is comming back. But this time everything is diferrent, feels diferrent. Personally I think that there is not a lot of good doctors arround and most of them are just money makers. It is all BS. My is one of the best in Chicago are but he did not want to listen and take me of the meds when I was suffering of side effects. Think about it...so sad. I am in my twentees and i don not want to be hooked up with meds all my life, at least not so many of them. Next week I am starting Biofeedback therapy. I heard ith helps so we will see.
Blogers,
The symptoms I experience are waves of depression. I can be fine for 2-3 days and then I am sinking for 2 days. No mania, never had one. Is that the withdrawal symptoms, how lond do they last???????????????????????????????????????????

Jimmy-
Have you gone on a site called www.bipolarblast.wordpress.com
There is alot of great information on there re: withdrawals, and tapering, and alternative approaches. I think you will find it very educational, as I have!
I believe everyone is different, but from what I've gathered, everyone has had and is having a VERY rough time coming off of Lamictal. I just dropped from 37.5 to 25 and my brain literally hurts!!! I have all of the side effects you've mentioned. I've been dealing with this for months now. I was on 150 mg's, and now down to 25, it has taken me a while!!! It's hard to say how long they last. Personally I feel each small taper the withdrawals last me about 2 weeks!!!! I figure in another month I should be off, but I wouldn't imagine feeling better for a while until they are completely out of my system!!!! I am going to do whatever it takes to do this without meds! I'm sick of being sick!!!!!

Biofeedback is a scam. They hook you up to a computer so you can see on a monitor your breathing and your heart rate, etc. They pretend to teach you how to change these things voluntarily. Meanwhile, you’re taking meds that affect these things also.
If you’re biofeedback therapist (whatever you call them) is connected to your psychiatrist, you could be put on meds that slow your heart rate, pulse, etc. Then your next biofeedback reading will show this and they’ll call it improvement. Look how you’ve learned how to relax! That’ll be $1000 please.

Becky,

Then please tell me what is the solution for feeling normal, not depressed with no medication???? what is the solution to find out exactly what is wrong with you, what to use to minimize side effects to start living normal life, relaxed, in control of our emotions and be happy????????????????????? How to find out what is wrong with your brain?....maybe constant suffering of withdrawal and bloging on internet websides?????? taking or trying another medications?????? I heard Gianna from BipolarBlast had great experience with Biofeedback.

No news was good news... I got a call from the doc today regarding my hemoccult. You know what it means when the doc calls and not the nurse. I'm bleeding internally. He said it may be a polyp which (I guess) is simple. Who knows...maybe I have hookworms. :)

Jimmy, I apologize, I should have said that was my experience with Biofeedback. Well...my son’s actually. The psychiatrist recommended 8 sessions of biofeedback (conveniently offered in her office), mid treatment she added Catapres to his Rx's. I was so messed up on the drugs I was prescribed (same doc) that I didn't figure it out until much later. So now I get mad when I think people are getting taken advantage of when they’re desperate for help as I was.

I wish I could answer your questions: How to be normal and happy. I'm not either one yet. I'm hopeful though and better than I was a few months ago.

What helped me getting off meds the most was reading about withdrawal and learning from other people's experiences. One thing I learned was I had to slow down tapering some of the meds if I didn't want to go insane. I REALLY wanted to get off Lamictal because it was making my hair fall out. But I didn't want to end up falling apart (like my doctor said I would) so it took a while. What helped me physically were supplements from theroadback.org.
I was on psych meds for about 13 years; It took 7 months to taper off.

I wish I had a better answer for you and a faster solution. Trust me, If I find one, I’ll share it IN ALL CAPS so no one misses it.

Susie, I'm sorry about the bad news. What's next?More tests?

Becky,

It is ok. I want to try Biofeedback. There is a clinic close to my house run by good neuropsychologyst. I wont to try it because I am so sensitive to placebo effects and sometimes I think it is all in my head and I am the one who makes things worse. I am in my late twentees and I am so worry about the things are going on with me, worry about the future, career, about me getting worse. Sometimes I feel like my problems are the most important thing in my life, that I cannot live without them. Today was my 6th day with no Lamictal at all. Since two days I experience some nausea and unplesant taste in my mouth...beside depression rollercoster. Are those also withdrawal symptoms?????? What suplements did you use to when you taper ( I take 3600mg of fish oil)? How did you doc responded to the withdrawal?? did he/she was sudgesting that your problems are comming back???
Thank you for all of your help.

It's amazing to come across this site and read all of the stories about lamictal withdrawal. I was on 150mg, and I lost my insurance, so I wouldnt be able to get anymore prescriptions filled, so I started to wean myself off. My sister was weaning herself off also, so i followed what her doc told her to do, so i went from 150 to 125 then with in about a week i went down to 100mg, then my sister was talking about the whole waiting 2 weeks before lowering it again, so thats what i did. I'm now on 50mg, and i feel awful. I have horrid heartburn all the time, and i have tried different meds like zantac, but it just wont go away, and its gotten so much worse over the past week. I'm tired all the time. i will get like a little panic attack here and there for no reason, and i have a hard time sleeping. i have random moments where all i can do is cry,,,then moments later i feel a little better. I just hate all these symptoms and i just wondered if any of you had any remedies or supplements or tricks to help ease the side effects? PLEASE IM MISERABLE....

I got that metallic taste too, when I reduced Lamictal from 25 to 12.5. In a way, I was happy because it was a symptom that wasn’t mental. There was no way to dispute the cause! It was validation that it wasn't all in my head. It lasted about 3 weeks, maybe longer.
Maybe the neuropsychologist will know about withdrawal and can help.
My psychiatrist was not helpful. First when I told her I wanted to get off meds, she tried to taper me too quickly, knowing that I would go through horrific withdrawal and give up. She had said before that withdrawal from these types of meds is worse than heroin withdrawal.
Later when I told her I had quit taking all but Lamictal and I needed 25mg tabs because I was getting off that too, she said, “What’s it going to take to get you back on medication?” She said I was going to fall apart (lose my job and be unable to take care of my kids) and I’d be back. I never had problems like that before meds so it wouldn’t have been an illness coming back.
The road back is actually a program that tells you how to taper off different meds and has different ways of doing that according to your symptoms and the types of meds you’re on. It can be a little complicated. You’ll have to check out the website and see if it’s for you.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH AN UPSET STOMACH...

The only thing that worked (and it did work) for me with the horrible stomach pain was (believe it or not) Pepto Bismol pills. I would take two of those as often as I could (per the bottle) and try to sleep in a fetal position. That seemed to be the only thing that helped. My stock upset stomach remedy of ginger beer (like ginger-ale only stronger and doesn't taste icky (NO alochol!)) didn't work. I hope this helps you all who are going through that part. It's miserable. :(

Becky- thanks for asking. A colonoscopy is next. Not looking forward to it but was told to insist on full sedation.

Lisa,

I have the same symptoms. Today is my 7th day off lamictal and last week was not easy for me. I got worse when I was 12.5mg my weaning dosage. I do not have panic atacks but couple hours periods of severe depression, agitation, irrability and and feelings that are hard to describe. In the last two days I had some cring spells. I take extra Klonopin from time to time to calm down. Generaly I am emotionaly numb and have no motivation. Read my previous posts. Lamictal was not the only med i wean off. I do not know if my my depression is comming back or those are signs of withdrawal because I've been on meds for the last three years and do not know exactly how I feel with out them. Hope you feel better.

Susie-
I hope everything works out for you! I'm sorry for the bad news, I hope it ends up being something minor, or at least easy to fix!!!
Lisa and Jimmy-
I have the same symptoms as well. Today is a depressed day, very tired, had HORRIBLE heart burn the last few days, and my vision is blurry STILL. I hope that in another few days I will feel better agin. I went down to 25 mg's about 4 days ago, so maybe in another 3 I will feel better. I will than go to 12.5 and stay there for a while. I am desperate to get off Lamictal, it's had horrible side effects for me. If I stay depressed I am afraid I will have to go on another antidepressant because I just can't funtion being depressed and not being able to think straight, or work this way!

Teresa, everybody,

Today is my 10th day of lamictal, about 4 weeks of Lithium. I had a good day yesterday, good morning today and then it hitm so bad, depression, crying. I think I've never been that bad, even before I started taking medication. Is that stll the withdrawal?????? I am affraid I will have to go on another antidepressant like you Teresa (I still take depakote). My moods swings are so svere, from normal to depression state. Let me know how you guys doing. Do you have this mood swings and depression??????

Jimmy-
I just dropped to 12.5 mg's of Lamictal. I have really BAD ups and downs. I think it all has to do with the withdrawals! I think we are on an emotional rooler caoster because our brains are confused, and losing a drug that it is used to having! I think it will pass, at least when I have moments of clarity I feel that it will, and I like to beleive that it will! I am trying to ride it out. I have another week on 12.5 mg's of Lamictal and than I'm done! I still have klonopin which I use when I get TOO anxious, but I don't take much. I was just almost in tears, actually did shed a few tears a few hours ago, and now I feel good, other than being dizzy, neauseous and tired!!!!!! I am going to do my best to get through this, I have no choice! How much of Depakote are you taking, and how much Lamictal were you on and how fast did you ween down?

Hey everyone! Been awhile since I've posted but I wanted to ask a question. Lately I've been feeling very frustrated and it's almost as if I don't trust my emotions. This turns into a cycle of me not trusting my emotions leading to me becoming angry or sad. I know that this wasn't the case before I got on the meds and I'm starting to think that the meds have made me forget what it's like to feel "normal" emotions..if that makes sense. Has anyone else dealt with this and if you did, what helped you get through it? I just keep thinking to myself that surely this will go away any day now because it's been at least a month since I've stopped my meds. But then again I might be underestimating the effect that they had on my mind and body. I did quit the Seroquel shortly after I started tapering off the lamictal..wondering if that could be messing me up as well..I dunno. I'm finding it hard to trust any of my judgement lately. Hope everyone is doing well!

*Beccs

Teresa, Beccs,

I am two weeks off Lamictal. Last week I got so depressed, I called my doctor and of course what I heard ....."you put your meds away and your symptoms came back, there is no withdrawal from Lithium and Lamictal". so he put me on 300mg of lithium again. I took it because I was so depressed. I am getting better now. Half a day I can feel so so, then tensed, depressed with weird head feeling etc. Dont know if my Lamictal withdrawal lessens or Lithium is working. I have stopped my xanax abou 3 months ago and...do you think I can still have some xanax withdrawal? I am also thinking about changing doctors. My is telling me all of the bs and would like me to be on 10 meds if he could. I am taking 750 depakote teresa and I took 25 of Lamictal for two years (initially taking 100) cutting down 12.5 for 7 days and then stop. My docs direction. He also have me to stop Lithium in 2 days and I think he did it on purpose so I can crash and come back.

Jimmy-
I am having a hell of a time with Lamictal right now. I am down to 12.5 mg's, and that's going to be done in two more days. I've had horrible mood swings, from wanting to cry scream than cry again. It's awful and I have a headache and dizzy and SO out of it!!!! I am working like this too, not easy, I'll tell ya that much!
I almost called in today, but I need the money and I felt guilty, so I'm just dealing with it. I am unsure myself Jimmy if I'm going to be able to do it without meds, but I plan to give myself a good month without them to see if it gets better at all. If not that I will have to go back on meds because I can't take this, the anxiety has been TERRIBLE and I can't function. I can't concentrate on anything because my mind is constantly racing. I got so stressed out this weekend over getting blinds for my house, or curtains because I couldn't decided, and it made me so anxious, crazy right? Over blinds!!!! I just hope it gets better, for you as well Jimmy!
Beccs-
I feel the same way with my emotions, it's as though I feel I have no control over them and I am going to do something stupid!!!!!
I have in the past like with quitting jobs and things because I couldn't handle it!!!! I hope it gets better!!!!

Just FYI: I went from 50mg Lamictal to 0mg between July and Sept; I had my TSH checked (for hypothyroid) checked in July .11 then in Sept 21.78. This will wreak havoc on many things; concentration, fatigue, mood, etc. A general practitioner said "psychotropic drugs will effect your TSH". Initially, he thought the lab made a mistake until I told him about the drugs I just got off of.
My point; withdrawal caused this. They don't do any testing for withdrawal but if they did, I bet they'd find these types of changes in everyone's system. Since these drugs get into our blood and effect every cell in our bodies.
I found it interesting that this is the only doctor that's said something like that to me "psychiatric drugs can cause..." and this is the only doctor's office I've been in that did not have paraphernalia from all the major drug companies.

Theresa:
Hey! Hope things are going well! I vary from day to day. When I do feel upset it's because I'm so frustrated from feeling "off". I keep waiting to feel "normal" again and so far it hasn't happened. I hate those medications..so much. I feel like they've made my life HELL. Doctors really need to warn people about what happens if you decide to come off of a med. It's so unfair.

Becky:
It's interesting, and scary, that you mention the TSH thing. I had thyroid surgery several years ago due to a cyst. They removed the entire right lobe of my thyroid. I haven't actually had my TSH levels checked in a couple of years and now I'm wondering if I should after what your doctor told you. Hope all is well!

*Beccs

hi just went to 2nd doc he too doesnt believe in lamictal withdrawal what about noise sensitivity and ringing in ears these arent mental symptoms maybe i need to go neuro doc no doc says no it just a coincidence

"Ringing in ears, noise sensitivity" I experienced both during withdrawal. I've read many posts from others who have too. There's a lot of withdrawal symptoms that are physical; such as a metallic taste in your mouth (just to name one more). You're not crazy Linda!

My new theory on docs: you will know them by their decor; If their calandars, pens, post it notes, clocks, lotion and hand sanitizer dispencers have drug manufacturer logos; You can be sure that doc will know (meaning: say) nothing about withdrawal and less about side effects.

Beccs, I totally understand the Blinds thing. I haven't been able to pick out anything for my house or even a new shirt without losing my mind for a while now.
An update on my Lamictal withdrawal experience:
I've been off Lamictal since 9/26/08; things are slowly getting better. Not many headaches, energy finally started coming back about a week ago (also due to upping thyroid replacement). I don't cry every time I hear a song (was any song). I think I cry as a normal person would. I've got a lot to cry about. I need a job ASAP and these psych drugs messed up my mind and many things in my life. All that considered, I'm feeling content at this moment. I feel like I'm going to be okay. Now, I hope I don't jinx myself when I click "Post". :-)

hi Becky yup new doc says this just doesnt happen i think my mistake was after being off 14 days going back on now im back on tomorrow will be 2 mths i think i confused my brain i should of just stayed off i thought if i did this i would get back on track however not the case id luv to know how long it will take you to totally recover please let us know

HI Beccs, Linda and Becky-
I am going to the doctor on Tuesday to have bloodwork, and back Thursday for a complete physical. I want to find out if anything is wrong, so that I can fix it and find out what supplements and vitamins I should take.
I am now completely off of Lamictal and the headaches are HORRIBLE and blurred vision and dizziness and nausea. I can't wait to feel better. I am so fatigued and it takes everything I have to get out of bed in the morning and make it to work. Every morning I have to talk myself out of calling in to work. I have no vacation or sick time and I need the money.
As for the blinds, that funny because I just moved and need blinds and I was almost in tears the other day because I can't decide what to get, blinds, curtains both, it's pretty sad when you can't make a decision that is so simple!!!!! My boyfriend told me to just calm down, that it's not a big deal! He must think I'm totally nuts!!

Linda, YOU didn’t confuse your brain. You were poisoned. After 14 days in agony, and no help from the doctor, what were you supposed to do? If you try to get off again, there are chewable 5mg and 2mg tablets that might help the weaning process.
Were you taking any other meds at the same time? At this website; http://www.drugs.com/drug_interactions.php and can type in your meds and it will tell you about possible negative interactions. I was shocked when I did mine. I don’t understand why doctors aren’t up on all of this. I mean, they all have internet, right?

Wow..I just went to the site that Becky gave and typed in my drugs and now I am shocked. I can't believe my psych failed to mention this: "MONITOR: Central nervous system- and/or respiratory-depressant effects may be additively or synergistically increased in patients taking multiple drugs that cause these effects, especially in elderly or debilitated patients.

MANAGEMENT: During concomitant use of these drugs, patients should be monitored for potentially excessive or prolonged CNS and respiratory depression. Ambulatory patients should be counseled to avoid hazardous activities requiring complete mental alertness and motor coordination until they know how these agents affect them, and to notify their physician if they experience excessive or prolonged CNS effects that interfere with their normal activities."

This was copied DIRECTLY from the site. It's the interactions between Lamictal, Seroquel, and Klonopin..which I was on. The doctor NEVER warned me of any of this. It sure as hell explains why I always felt short of breath and also why my mind is having such a hard time recovering from that crap. I'm pissed, to say the least. Thanks for the site, Becky. I hope more people will check it out.

*Beccs

Hi everyone,
So I have officially been completely off of Lamictal for about 5 days now. Does anyone know when the dizziness and headaches go away? The headaches aren't as bad as they were, but still dizzy and nauseous. I know I am going to have my ups and downs mentally for a while, and I am trying to take a holistic approach, it's just ALOT of research! I just want to know when I will actually stop feeling physically Ill???

hi, i am shaye and i just started taking lamactil a few weeks ago for my seizures and bi polar disorder.. should i reconsider???? im scared

Hi Shaye,
It's a bit harder to give an opinion regarding Lamictal use when you're taking it for seizure disorder.
I think the most important thing to do is learn as much as you can about the risks and benefits.
Personally, I don't think the benefits are worth it if you take it for bipolar. There are other options. But if you have seizures, maybe there aren't.
At askapatient.com people rate from 1-5 their opinion of the drug, alot of people rated Lamictal a 5 (being the best) because it controlled their seizures, then they listed the side effects that it caused but they were willing to live with in order to be seizure free.
I would read the 58 page label (2 or 3 times, it's rather difficult) and search the internet (obviously, you've already started).
Question: Who prescribed the Lamictal? The dr. who diagnosed seizures or the dr. who diagnosed bipolar? Or are they the same?
Best Wishes.

Been coming off lamictal. Been having headaches every time i cut the dose for a few days/week and then it goes away. I decided to have my friend cut the dose for me and not tell me when. Sure enough I was able to predict when the cut was made as the headaches came on. But then this past week, my friend didn't make a cut and I still got a headache. He's convincing me that I'm not in withdrawal and that it's all psychosomatic. But my systme is so screwed up from coming down off this stuff. IS it all in my head or is anticipation of the symptoms a normal part of the withdrawal? Will I be stuck forever in a psycosomatic pattern now?????????????? I'mn very scared.

Mark, it’s not all in your head.
The reason I come to this website everyday and read other people's experiences with withdrawal and side effects is to remind myself that it's not all in MY head too.
If you can find 1000's of people who've experienced the EXACT same thing, how can that be in your head? I didn't start experiencing things AFTER reading about them.

Headaches were the worst and most persistent withdrawal problem for me. It took 7 months to taper off Lamictal (from 200mg). After being at 12.5mg for over a month, I stopped taking it 1st thing in the morning and started waiting until the headache came (this was initially accidental, the plan was just to stop all together). The 1st day I got to 5 or 6 pm, I took it and unfortunately, the headache still lasted a while so I took it the next morning too. But then the next day or so I forgot to take it and went 24 hours and the time gradually increased until I could stop completely.

It doesn’t seem logical but in the beginning, while on larger doses and having taken Lamictal for years, I could miss a day or two, possibly three before any withdrawal. That could be the case with your headache coming without decreasing the dose if you decreased it the week before or even two weeks before.

I have been taking xanax for a year now. Tapering down 2 months after I started from 2mg to .5 now. IS 3 months enough time to kill the last .5mg. Will it be harderthan the first 1.5mg?

Hey everyone! I've been posting on here before, but now I need an opinion.. After reading through several of your stories on here I've come to notice that most, if not all, of you who tapered off Lamictal did it over a period of months. I was taking 200mg of Lamictal and I took it for about 4 months. I tapered off of it in 2 weeks, cutting by 50mg each time. I'd wait about 4 days, then cut my dose again each time. Did I move too fast with this? I mean, I'm not in any physical pain, now, but my psychological effects are driving me crazy. Every day all day I feel "detatched" from myself. I wake up every morning hoping that I'll feel "normal", but it never happens. And because I've been so frustrated over the way I feel lately I've been getting emotional at times. Then it makes me wonder if my "symptoms" are coming back. I think it could just be the frustration from the way I feel all the time, but please tell me if my tapering so fast had anything to do with it? Hope everyone is well!

*Beccs

Beccs-
Have you been to a website called beyond meds? Actually you can type in www.bipolarblast.wordpress.com
It has ALOT of info. on tapering and how fast or slow, and it is a GREAT site. I believe you definitely tapered off WAY too fast, and I am sure you are still feeling the withdrawals. I just stopped Lamictal completely FINALLY just over a week ago and unfortunately it was too much for me to handle so I started back on Lexapro for the depression a few days ago. I am hoping to get my diet and exercise and supplements into place and start feeling better for a while, before I go off of the Lexapro. I just couldn't function and I need to be able to work!

Teresa,
I have been checking out the site..very informative! Thanks for the link! I also just recently started reading a new book by Dr. William Glasser called "Warning: Psychiatry Can Be Hazardous to Your Health". Pretty eye-catching title, lol. It's been really good so far.

I have been on 100 mg of Lamictal for the last 2 years. I recently had to get off of them because I lost my job and health insurance. I also was getting frustrated by the side effects. Horrible short-term memory loss! (recently I threw away my wallet and locked myself out of my car with the keys still in the ignition)

I know this is the right thing for me to do for the long term but in the short term I am going crazy. It has been 2 weeks since I have been off of the meds and I have been very depressed, irritable and tired. I also have been gaining weight which I hate. I have been reading this page and want someone to comment on how long it took till they felt good again. Anyone?????

Reily,
You might want to ask your former doctor if you can get some samples so you can taper down rather than go cold turkey. I know it's been 2 weeks already but if the depression, etc. is unbearable you might want to try taking a smaller dose for a while. Don't go right back to 100mg though, after stopping 2 weeks, it's dangerous! (see the dosing and discontinuation instructions on the label)

I took my last Lamictal 9/26/08. Honestly...I'm okay but not "good" yet. I'd like to hear some success stories too.

Also, for people who have run out of meds too soon, can't get to the doctor or can't afford it until pay day, etc. I've found the pharmacy (CVS) to be sympathetic and willing to give 4 or 5 pills until I could get in to the doctor to get a new Rx on several occasions. They must know more about withdrawal or acknowledge it more for what it is, than the doctors.

I just started taking Lamictal. I understand that if you are to stop taking this medication you need to do it slowly and listen to your Doctor. If you go off too fast you can get seizures.

Let me ask you all a question. Why did you decide to get off Lamictal? Was it because it wasn’t working? Side effects? Just curious. Thank you.

Based on all I have read here I have decided to discontinue taking Lamictal. Fortunately I have only been on the medication for 4 weeks and the past 2 weeks at 25mg twice daily. My Doctor recommended to take 25mg once daily for 1 week and stop.

Hey Gary! I got off of Lamictal because it wasn't helping me and it gave me bad side effects. Side effects like shortness of breath (I used to be very active, but when I was on the Lamictal I couldn't be), it made me feel "out of it" all the time. I, however, am not Bipolar. I was diagnosed as having Bipolar Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder at the same time, only to find out later that it was only BPD. I quit taking all of my psych drugs, except for klonopin, because I didn't want to live my life on drugs if I could do it without them.

Hi everyone...
I am very happy I stumbled across this site. I have been dealing with profound anxiety and mild depression for almost 10 years. Although lately I have noticed my anxitey getting worse. I have not been severely "depressed" in the past year, my anxiety instead is what now brings me to tears.
I used to see a psychiatrist regularly about 4 years ago, but stopped after she kept switching my meds around on me non-stop. I felt like her own personal guinea pig, which is a horrible feeling as some of you know. She also would change my diagnosis frequently. I left after she diagnosed me as "bi-polar" and I couldn't take the negative effects from the drugs anymore. I had become a recluse.
(I was prescribed to zoloft, lexapro, effexor, paxil, wellbutrin, and celexa previously...all without any success)

4 years later and here I am today, trying to recieve REAL help. I have been self medicating myself these past few years with a little success, but know it can't last forever.

I, for one, know that I am not bi-polar. I think it is wrong how loosely that diagnosis is thrown around. :/
My psychiatrist today diagnosed me as bi-polar 2. I am not sure if I exactly agree with his diagnosis, considering he was rushing through and only spoke with me for 40 minutes. Seems pretty quick to jump the gun on a diagnosis, no?
Well, he prescribed me Lamictal... and only lamictal. He is against any "as needed" drugs, but how does he expect this drug to cure my profound anxiety on its own?(especially after reading all the reviews)
I have panic attacks about 3 times a week. I'm constantly worrying about petty things.. I dwell on things to a point where it is hard for me to get over them. Not to mention, I probably won't have a spouse for much longer considering it is not a simple task trying to pull yourself out of a panic attack, or calm down after one.

I don't know what to do... and I don't know what drugs will help me.
I am going to see a different psychiatrist within the next week for a second oppinion.
I just thought I could get some help/answers from people who have been there done that.
I am tired of feeling hopeless. :(

Thanks~
Amanda

Hey Amanda! I know how it feels to be thrown a diagnosis. I, too, was mistakenly diagnosed as being Bipolar and put on Lamictal. I never felt like I was Bipolar because the symptoms just didn't fit me..however, I was also diagnosed as having Borderline Personality Disorder. This diagnosis I could actually accept because it "fit" me almost exactly. For that I was prescribed Seroquel. I, too, used to suffer from frequent panic attacks but after getting on klonopin they stopped. And now I'm pissed because after reading sites like this one I've come to realize that klonopin is a terrible drug. I feel like I'm stuck on it, now, because it does keep my panic attacks away but every time I try to get off of it the withdrawal is HORRIBLE. I'm still recovering from the Lamictal and Seroquel so I don't think trying to quit another drug is a great idea at the moment..But anyway, in my opinion, psychiatrists are way to quick to throw out a diagnosis just because they read it in the DSM IV. I had a new diagnosis added every time I saw my psych. I don't see her any more because I want to help myself without drugs. There are a lot of self-help books out there that you can get to teach you meditation techniques and ways to deal with overwhelming emotions. I have a really great one that I recommend to everyone if you want the name of it. As far as meds go, educate yourself as much as you can on them. As you can see fromt his site, a lot of people have had problems with psych meds. Hang in there! Things get better!

Can someone please help me...
My boyfriend abruptly quit lamictal (he's bi-polar)about three weeks ago due to the exhorbitant cost of the medication. Last night he was slurring his words, making no sense, and angry. I left for about half an hour, and when I returned he was lying on the floor and it was difficult to wake him. He was red-eyed and groggy. He's an alcoholic and hasn't had a drink in 6 months - things have been wonderful up to now. Has anyone out there had symptoms similar to these? He also says he doesn't remember any of the above events. I want to believe so badly that he wasn't drinking - am I just stupid thinking that these are possible withdrawal effects? I would deeply appreciate any input. Also, I wish everyone the best in dealing with your difficult withdrawal issues. Don't give up...

Janet,

I think it could absolutely be withdrawal. In my experience, when I reduced my dosages, withdrawsal symptoms (various types) appeared weeks after the change. Some I can barely remember now but being totally exhausted and I'm sure "hard to wake" was one.
If I hadn't read up on it and found this site, I would have thought I was crazy.
Abrupt withdrawal can cause seizures also.
Good luck to you both.

I just cut my dose from 200mg to 150mg trying to get by until I can get a refill. I'm having terrible insomnia. Has anyone else experienced this?

Hi,

I decided to google "lamictal withdrawal", and I came across this website. I am a non-epileptic person who was placed on this med because my psychiatrist thought it might help my OCD and Trich. I tend to be a research junkie, and many things that I have seen and read scream out to me to stop this medication. Apparently, one woman is now permanently brain damaged because she was placed on high dosages of a few psych meds, one of these being Lamictal.

My psychiatrist okayed the decrease in medication this past week, and even said that he thinks it's necessary, as I was having symptoms such as foggy-headedness, a clogged head, short-term memory loss, unable to feel my limbs at times (hard to explain this one), etc. I also feel like I go in and out of consciousness for a few brief seconds now a few times per day. My head also just feels different. It's FRIGHTENING!! Anyway, I have been taking Lamictal(Lamotrigine) for a little less than two months now, and I was up to 50mg. Since talking with my psychiatrist, I have tapered my dosage to 25mg which I have been on for the past week. The foggy-headedness has diminished, and I don't feel like I have a clogged head anymore, but I am still getting the brief episodes (siezures?????) when I seem to very briefly space out. It's almost imperceptible, but I am very aware of it. This seems to also be accompanied by little leg twitches and things. I'm REALLY worried that this might lead to a siezure disorder. By the way, I also recently started on 20mg of Lexapro. So, this may be contributing to the symptoms. My psychiatrist told me that if the symptoms stop, then it's most likely the Lamictal; if they continue, then it may be the Lexapro. He's trying to do what's right for me, and he knows that I research and I am aware of these issues, so he seems to trust me--almost too much, as he didn't set down a specific timetable for getting off the Lamictal.

Am I tapering down too fast? Should I be doing anything else? I think I might call my psychiatrist tomorrow about the new symptoms to see what he thinks I should do.

Please email me with any advice.

roses_forever@hotmail.com

P.S. I just notice the dosage line on my pill, so I may cut this in half, and take 1.5 pills instead for the next couple of weeks. Is that a better idea? I just don't want to be foggy-headed again. As my psychiatrist knows, I'm not fond of psych meds these days, and he respects that, and tries to keep me on the lowest dosage of anything he puts me on. I would like to stop all of my psych meds, and do things the natural way, as well as use talk therapy as a primary means of support.

Hello,
You won't believe this.
I have been taking a low dose of 50mg.About 5 months ago i tried to take only 25mg and after two days horrible anxiety, and i could not sleep at night at all, not as bad as prozac anxiety but pretty bad. I have been taking spironolactone for my testosterone being too high, thyroid for my lower thyroid, along with iron and i am having no problem getting off lamictil just very tired which doesnt bother me i will just sleep and be tired at work for a couple of weeks. Getting my hormones in tact has done wonders for me. Just a little encouragment.

Therapyfirst, for what it's worth, I appreciate your factual posts on here. I've been slowly tapering off of Lamictal, and your advice makes sense to me.

I don't see how screaming at people to find a doctor who will help them safely taper off of drugs will help them do so, though. Yes, some of the posts on here are scary and misguided. If you really want to help people, though, why not discuss HOW to find a doctor who doesn't dispense drugs like candy and pooh-pooh patients who express concerns about how their tapering is going when they're switching medications?

It's a scary world out there, and for many people with mental health problems, psychiatrists are more likely to be foes than allies. I hope you'll keep that in mind if you decide to post on this site again.

I just stopped taking Lamictal, and am feeling pretty okay. I posted details about how I did it on the "Lamictal Withdrawal, Part 2" thread:

http://www.furiousseasons.com/archives/2007/07/lamictal_withdrawal_part_2.html

The trick is to make the transition slowly, going down in 25 mg increments and waiting till your body has adjusted to the lower dose before tapering again. I took several months between dose changes at the beginning of the process, and I think that made a big difference in my eventual success with weaning myself off of the drug.

Good luck to everyone reading this.

Hi Everyone, I want to show some easy supplement advice for you. Lamictal is an anti convulsant..and it does help with mood stabilizing. I noticed that it helped when I did this next part when I go down to a lower dose, here is what helps me..I take 2 packs of Emergen C...for Vitamin C and the B Vitamin. At the same time I take 2000-3000 mg of Taurine. A Cheap amino acid that is being studied as an Anti Convulsant.

I do believe this helps a great deal..and you won't have to use it forever...GIve yourselves some metabolic nutritoinal support to your nervous systems while doing this.

There is a great site called. www.theroadback.org that can help as well as the Pfeiffer institute and remember Margo Kidder from Superman? Google her site it has a lot of good resources of how she got off of everything and uses nutrients to help out..

Tons of stuff out there now.. Also get a Myer's coctail IV a few times a week if you can when you are withdrawing it Has a bunch of Vitamin C and B along with essential brain amino acids. If you have any questions email me at vacaboulder@yahoo.com.

I had a psychotic episode almost 6 years ago, some of which was caused by a very overactive thyroid.

I was put on Risperdal, Lamictal and Lithium. Since I have gone off the Risperdal, down from 1200 to 675 of lithium and lamictal is down from 300-50 mg. I have to say while I have done this incredibly slowly, I couldn't have done it without some knowledge of how sensitive our bodies really are. I used an oral syringe to get off of Risperidal it took me 3 years to get off of it slowly. I was a complete zombie literally.

Wow Lindsay,
Thanks for the success story! Realistic (slow withdrawal and with assistance) yet also extremely possitive and encouraging. It's nice to hear.

Hi
Been on Keppra and Tegratol retard for around a year, was thought that i had epilepsy, turns out its drug phycosis from canibis, so doc takin me off the Keppra first, 1st week felt the trembles coming back and slight depression, 2nd week it got worse including suicidal thoughts (strong) loss of appitite, dihorea, sleeping better and wakin better dreaming more normal. not looking forward to third week. was on 200mg keppra twice day and 200mg teg 4 times day. yesturday was contemplating suicide (second day second week) glad i found this site coz i didnt know it was the withdrawal from keppra, oh and massive headaches which come in waves.

I hope this info helps someone as all the posts here have reassured me and maybe stopped me from killin myself. thanx people :) cant think of anything else to add, just those main points but email me.. man i wish i never took that shit weed for most my life, lesson to be learned people, it DOES cause mental health problems and chewing your tounge so u cant eat for 6 days is just the tip of the ice burg, dont need it! dont do it! its a zombie drug

Craig,

Did your doctor tell you to decrease your dose gradually? If so, it definitely wasn’t gradual enough! You shouldn’t have to endure feeling suicidal! How long were you on it? If you’re still feeling suicidal you need to get back on it and SLOWLY taper the dosage.

Even if the doc declared you don’t have epilepsy now, abruptly stopping those types of drugs can cause seizures in people who NEVER had them.

See pg 15 of the FDA label: http://www.fda.gov/cder/foi/label/2007/021035s057,021505s013lbl.pdf

It says; “Withdrawal Seizures - Antiepileptic drugs, including KEPPRA, should be withdrawn gradually to minimize the potential of increased seizure frequency.”

How did he determine it was “drug psychosis from cannabis”? Was this “diagnosis” after you started taking Keppra? The label also says it caused psychosis (among other horrible things) in clinical trials (pg 12-14).

Go to askapatient.com and type in Keppra, there are 59 patient entries that might be helpful.

Please take care of yourself. Remember what you’re feeling is drug or withdrawal induced and things will get better!

thanks to everyone who has posted a comment. very helpful. i have been off lamictin (SA Version) for about 2 and a half weeks after tapering it for about 5-6 weeks. i feel bloody aweful, constant fatigue being the most prolific symptom although it can go all the way from that to suicidal. how long does this last? shouldn't I be feeling normal again? i feel like i am back to square one before i started the meds. please tell me it improves. which was the real me? not only that, but physically i feel "off balance".Literally, it feels like I am a bit stoned. who else has had this? any encouraging words like "stay off the shit, you'll get better" are welcome!

Lianne,
If you can see a doctor, I suggest having your thyroid TSH checked. My TSH went from 0.11 (while still taking 50mg Lamictal) in 7/08 to 21.78 in 9/08 (at 0mg Lamictal). The doctor thought the lab made a mistake until I told him I just got off Lamictal. He gave me some technical explanation involving the hypothalamus, etc. I'm convinced Lamictal and SSRI's f*** up every cell in our bodies.
I had extreme fatigue and numbness in my hands and forarms (like they were asleep).
I also felt completely spaced out (stoned is a good description). Both physically and mentally, I am improving. You will too!
Were you on Lamictal for a long time? I was on it for 8 years.

i went on lamictal after a pscychiatrist "diagnosed" I had anxiety and depression with some random standard quiz! i later realised that it was juz my sixth sense working up cos my husband was having affair. i tried stopping the medication but the effect was horrible. i couldn't sleep. felt dizzy and floating, depressed, suicidal, it was worse than even before starting on medication. i just took one pill and everything went back to normal.

i am pissed that my shrink doesn't reali care or try to find out what's going on and just prescribes lots and lots and different medication that costs a bomb. he never even told me about such withdrawal symptoms. i feel damn cheated.

I was put on Lamictal for depression. I am up to 300 mg. daily and that has been the dose for almost 2 months. Just finished weaning off Lexapro. A few days ago I started feeling an "electrical" sensation in my head that sometimes slightly radiates throughout my upper body. I have described it as a "wincing" feeling......like a muscle tightening/loosening in a weird way in my head. I am hypersensitive to moderately loud sounds and am irritable. At the beginning, my doctor said this could be a miracle drug for my depression. Has anyone had any experience like this?

Mary,
What you are describing sounds like withdrawal from the Lexapro (typical for an SSRI). You were probably weaned off too fast, if you followed what the doctor advised. You might want to check out some patient experiences on the internet.
Lamictal didn't cause anything like that for me but it was no "wonder drug".
Take Care.

Something I found helpful when coming off Lamictal... Like a lot of folks I was tapering off and quitting because I didn't like the side effects. Also like a lot of folks I had miserable withdrawal effects (brain zaps etc.) What helped me was that on the worst days I would go back to the prior dose for one day - a mini holiday. So if I was trying to get to 25mg I would go back to 50mg for one day. I didn't try to gut it out because the bad days were very bad. It may have taken me a few days longer to finish getting off Lamictal, but it was worth it. You can quit if you need to and the withdrawal will pass - just try to be kind to yourself on the way. Best wishes!

Glad I found this site! I've been taking meds for almost 20 years - prozac, celexa, welbutrin (all recommended by a therapist and prescribed by a GP) and now Lamictal, prescribed by a psychiatrist. I've been diagnosed as bi-polar. I've fought depression since I was about 15. I've been extremely irritable for quite a while now - never manic. I was 'shocked' by being in the middle of 9/11 and things have never been the same since then - can't hold a job, can't focus, can't think straight, impossible to live with etc. Things have gotten a lot worse over the last 4 months since I've been unemployed, in a very unhappy relationship and generally miserable. The Lamictal has seemingly 'stopped working'. It made things a lot better for a while - constant fear, anxiety, worry, inablility to focus, inability to sleep etc. I no longer have the money for all of my meds (sleeping pills, anti-cholesterol medication, Valium, Lamictal) since my insurance was discontinued. I've stopped all of the drugs except the Lamictal. I want off of it but having been through the nightmarish withdrawal of Celexa I'm extremely hesistant because I don't know what I'll do to myself but at this point it doesn't seem to matter much. I can't afford to see the shrink anymore and can't afford the Lamictal without continuing to sell everything I own (which is dwindling down to nothing). I feel like a guinea pig after reading the posts here. I'm so lucky I have a dog I love; he's the only thing that keeps me going and I'll never abandon him; everything else can go. At my wit's end.....

gstkinks,
You have PTSD--Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. No pill will help, but you can learn to live with it. Some here have resolve the trauma itself and gone on to live good lives. I haven't resolved much of my trauma but I do live a good life after years of symptoms. So don't give up the ship.

It may be that you'll experience a bumpy ride without meds and the "help" of a shrink. But personally, the best thing that ever happened to me was to get away from the medicos and their useless, side-effects laden, dangerous pills. You feel like a guinea pig because that's what you are. I told my first pdoc it seemed to me as if they were engaged in educated dart throwing. He responded "Oh, if you only knew! It's far less educated than you think." (Of course, he's the doc who ended up losing his license.)

There are lots of people here who've gotten off meds and many of them can be quite helpful from their experience.
Best wishes,
Sherry

Hi, I went down eleven days ago from 200mg to 100mg. I also added Geodon. The geodon was awful, so I went off of it after four days. But, now, I am having severe panic attacks that Xanax isn't even touching, I feel like I am outside of my body, I feel faint at times, and I keep getting hot and cold flashes. I am 34. I am freaking out and feel like I am losing my mind. I am worried I will be like this forever. Is this Lamictal withdrawal? My psych. told me to cut the Lamictal from 200mg to 100mg. That was it as far as tapering. Was that too fast? I feel like I can't function and I am seriously terrified. Please help with advice or similar stories.

Emily

Emily,
I don't know as much as others here, but it sure sounds fast to me. Can you ease off the throttle a bit? People have found it can take a really long time to get off some meds. It seems to be a rather individual process.

I don't think you'll be like this forever. You're probably not losing your mind, either. Keep hanging in, keep asking questions, keep listening to yourself.

Best wishes,
Sherry

Emily,
Yes, 200 to 100 is TOO FAST. Even the label says taper 25mg a week (still too fast). You could have a seizure and it has nothing to do with whether you had epilepsy before.

It took me 7 months to get off 200mg of Lamictal. The lower doses were more difficult (spent about a month at 25mg and another at 12.5mg, I think)

Prior to that, my shrink gave me a tapering schedule going down 25mg a week from 200 to 100, I felt I was losing my mind too and had to go back up. I believe that was her plan. After all, once off meds, I would no longer be a customer.

Sherry gave the greatest advise: "keep listening to yourself". Something's not right and you know it.

Thanks for responding. I have an appointment with my psych. tomorrow morning. I am wanting to go back up on the Lamictal to where I was (200mg), and I want to taper much more gradually. I am in hell right now, and tomorrow morning seems like an awfully long ways away. I just feel this impending sense of doom, and I feel out of control. Like I am out of my body.I have chills, and then I get too hot. I can't eat, and the only thing that brings relief is to sleep. I am a parent of two small kids and a teacher, and i cannot be dealing with this right now. Is there anyone who has gone off Lamictal only to go back on because of side effects, and if so, did it help to go back to a higher dose?

Thanks.

Wow, sorry to hear that so many people have had problems going off of Lamictal. I hope you all have had success and have come out healthier.
I have been on 300mg Lamtical for 3 1/2 years, after being prescribed it for BP. At the time I was also given 300mg Welbutrin, as well as 3mg Clonopin and (some relatively high dose that I can't remember) Seroquel, for insomnia. I tapered off of the Clonopin over about 1 year, with little problems. I tapered off the Seroquel about 1 1/2 years ago and went through hell.
I'm now, with my Dr's okay, considering tapering off of Lamictal. My question is for people who had a bad time with withdrawal. Did it come out for the best, or did you end up going back on the drug, because your original symptoms return?

I can't tell you what a relief it has been to find this page. Took my last dose of lamactil (50 mg) on April 2nd. It wasn't too bad at first. The past few days though I've started having vivid bad dreams; dizziness that's like a wave sweeping through me; mumbled speech; uncoordinated; and if I don't write something down I don't remember it. Started lamactil end of January '09 for "bi-polar." Was in-patient adn very depressed. Also took 150 mg celexa. After the lamactil was increased from 25 to 50 mg, I felt weird all the time. Nothing mattered. I could be happy for a split second, or sad, but the reasons for emotionn seemed trivial. I thought the dpression was back and had a "flat" panic attack. Took the meds erratically for a week, on April 2nd was my last day. This whole epxerience makes me think there's no such thing as mental illness, just a culture uncomfortable with intense feelings. I can't wait to feel normal again, well, normal for me, and pray this crap works its way out of my system soon. Am so sick right now it's hard to be at work.

I have SJS from the drug Lamictal. I have been rushed two 2 ER rooms and have seen 6 doctors. Please be aware of the black box warning on Lamictal. I am a 46 yr old female. It started w/headaches, back aches/stiff neck (flu like symptons) then escalated to huge burn lesions on my upper trunk an back and arms. I am in so much pain, My face is totally red as if sunburned. I have vaginitis. This is terrible. Be careful folks!! www.sjsupport.org. They have helped me tremendously, I hope I don't die.

This occures on 3/21 and I still continue to suffer.

I got off my Effexor, Concerta, Seroquel, Klonopin, Lamictal, Dexedrine (taken on and off at the time) cocktail cold turkey at once last year. I did it because whenever I would forget to take my pills I would feel "high". I don't remember nay short term withdrawal effects because I wasn't looking for them. However, there were a lot of long term effects on my body and mind. I think I really messed me up. If I could do it again, I would not withdraw cold turkey, it was a mistake, my mind and body had a lot of long term effects which were really messed up. I didn't think getting off my pills would have any difference on my mind or my body but I was wrong. It's kind of funny here, reading for long everyone tapered off their meds when I dropped the cocktail I was on cold turkey after being on all sorts of antidepressants, antipsychotics, stimulants, amphetamines, benzodiazepines and mood stabolizers for so long. If you aren't looking for withdrawal symptoms and aren't thinking about it, you don't really notice it.
However, you do notice the long term effects on your mind and body and they come back to bite you for getting off your pills cold turkey. Don't do what I did, trust me. You may not regret it at the time, but you will eventually regret it.

Just tapered off lamictal after four years on doses as high as 300 mg. I went from 200 mg to 100 mg in one month, paused three months, then from 100 mg to zero in two weeks.

Both times I got spacey, irritable and had a wierd sensation that my voice was gravelly. This also would happen whenever I'd miss a dose of lamictal in the past. I know it is not supposed to cause withdrawal like this, but I swear the symptoms have been consistent whenever I've gone without it for more than around 28 hours.

The w/d is beginning to wear off now, after two weeks at 0 mg.

Also, I felt really dumb much of the time I was on lamictal. Not the same as the spacey feeling--this was more of an impairment in the speed of my thinking, and my ability to think abstractly. It's getting better.

People should remember that the symptoms of depression DO mimic some of the side effects of mood drugs. Don't assume that everything is a side effect. Also, unless your MD instructs you to stop suddenly, DO NOT do it! The brain needs time to adjust to the absence of some of these medications. It's worth a few weeks' wait.

Karl,
Don't be surprised if a few weeks is not enough time for your brain to adjust. After four years, lamictal is still in your system. After some time feeling better and /or normal (a few months even), you could be hit with withdrawal like you haven't had before. Please don't assume everything is a return of the original diagnosis (which I'm sure you'll be told). It's happened to many posters on here. 100mg to zero is dangerous; you could have a seizure, even if you never had seizures before.
I hope all is still well with you. My experience going from 100 to 0 over 6 months was horrific.

I’m going off my meds. Geodon and Lamictal at the same time. With all the research I’ve done it’s probably not the wisest of choices. It sounds like the withdrawal is almost physical from the Geodon with bouts of severe anxeity. However coming of the Lamictal sounds like a roller coaster ride of moodiness. I think this withdrawl cocktail will be very interesting. I just want to remember what it’s like to feel me without drugs. I think Lamictal and specially Geodon has done a world of good for me, but I just want to see what “me” is like. I have my family for support and hopefully my boyfriend is tough enough to stick it out with me after all we live together. In the back of my head I’m thinking it’s not a good idea. But fuck it I feel so good about deciding to taper myself down and face the challenge. To see if I can handle me now that I’m older. I’ve always said I will take any drug that will keep me from going to “that place”, but I felt close to it a couple weeks ago and the last thing I want is higher doses and new drugs. I am off of school and I don’t have a job I have a few months I’ll see what happens. I am pretty sure a lot of frustration and crying will arrive in a weeks time. I hope I can handle it. Any words?

I'm so glad I found this I thought I was going even more crazy than I already am. I am withdrawing off Lamictal and have alternately thought I had early Alzheimer's, a brain tumor,become a rageaholic, had MS and arthritis setting in all at once. My boyfriend said he feels he needs to take the debit card from me and babysit me, oh I've also alternated between mania and rage(almost losing complete control) and fantasizing about hitting myself over the head with a sledgehammer. I was on Lamictal to prevent severe depressive episodes, I'm not bipolar, I have Major depression and Panic disorder. Mental illness and these fucking drug trials are worse than any physical pain I've had and I live with chronic pain. My doctor just acts like this stuff is routine and no big deal but feeling like you are losing your mind is terrifying.

Catherine,
"Any words?"
Yeah. Go slowly. Pace yourself. Keep us posted.
Best wishes on your withdrawl.

So for all of you who have gone through a Lamictal withdrawal, I am impressed and I admire your courage. My doctor told me stop taking my 100mg/day dose after a rash. I have not restarted the medication and I don't intend on it. However, it has been over two weeks since I stopped and I am still feeling extremely agitated with such an extreme depression. It is unlike anything I have ever experienced. I would really just like some reassurance; these are all normal experiences, correct? I have felt worse the last two weeks than I ever have without the meds.

Hello,
I wonder if you can help me. I just stopped taking Lamictal as I felt it was causing my depression and negating the effects of my antii depressant on 250mg of Effexor xl. Stopped taking Zispin 30mg 4 weeks ago as I was feeling more than confident of doing without it. The only reason I was put back on it was that I was feeling manic even after they took me off it before and when they took me down of effexor way too quickly I crashed into depression again and cud not come out of it without it. So they gave me lamictal to prevent the mania(which was basically from being over medicated). I am very concerned about taking so much meds and told them I wanted off lamictal and to try V. SLOWLY weening myself off the effexor. I have proved before I am ready for this but they reduced me so quick I even thought about sayin something but I was so delighted to get off it I said nothing. Ridiculous! Anyhow am experiencing severe depression and even feeling suicidal but I just about have it under control from experience yet I CAN’T SHAKE IT. I don’t want to ask doctor for advice cuz I will lose all trust and it will create problems for me. Plus I am on a free government treatment so don’t want to switch to private practice. They cud decide to stop treating me.
Is it too late to take it again and start tapering slowly. Its been about 2weeks.
Thank you for your time and I wud appreciate any help.

Nicole,
Re: "I would really just like some reassurance; these are all normal experiences, correct? I have felt worse the last two weeks than I ever have without the meds."
Unfortunately, yes, what you’re experiencing is normal for Lamictal withdrawal according to MANY people’s accounts including my own. I am so sorry you have to go from 100mg to 0mg. It is torture. I went from 200mg to 100mg rather quickly (and painfully) but then was able to wean from 100mg to 0mg over 7 months. What helped me with physical withdrawal were supplements called Body Calm and Body Calm Supreme from The Road Back program. There’s a link on this site.

Dollivan,
I am sorry for what you are going through. I think Effexor may be one of the worst to get off of.
It’s great that in spite of being over medicated, you were able to figure out that Effexor is the cause of the manic and that they took you off too quickly without giving your brain time to heal and causing you to crash. That intuitiveness to what’s going on will help you more than any person or tapering “schedule” and doc’s will never go taper slow enough.
I would read other peoples withdrawal experiences and what has worked for them on this site and try http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com
I think most would say to lower the Effexor first since it’s causing manic which will get worse if you lower Lamictal 1st. BUT it depends on how long you’ve been on Lamictal, what dose you’re taking and other personal factors.

dollivan,

This page and links has info re: Effexor and Lamictal withdrawal:

http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com/2007/03/27/withdrawal-symptoms/

I am ecstatic I found this site! I thought it was just me who had these side effects when coming off of Lamictal. Lamictal happened because of my grave mistake 9 years ago of trying to climb out of a depression that had taken hold. That, and my ever present anxiety disorder. But never, ever! was I so incredibly moody, up and down all day, every day. I was a gentle sort of person but during the last few years of taking Lamictal, I had been feeling overly irritable, aggressive, even angry (let's not even discuss my coworkers looking at me cross eyed because my speech kept slurring, my head would occasionally start shaking uncontrollably and it seemed like I was on drugs; which ironically I was: Lamictal)!

Needless to say, I kept feeling like something was wrong with this medication, but when I'd try to get off of it, I discovered my symptoms would get worse and so became confused. Did I really need the medication and just not realize it until I tried to stop? I kept trying to research Lamictal because I'd go back to full dosage and yet the question still kept nagging at my brain: Do I only feel this crappy because I'm on Lamictal? And then I found this site where people have expressed similar symptoms of withdrawal.

My opinion is that the drug Lamictal is a sneaky little SOB. A common thing that can happen with people who have mental illness is that they may not feel like they need medication while they're on it because they feel "better" while they're taking it. But, when they stop, all hell can break loose. This is extremely common and typical. But! With Lamictal withdrawal you may have initial manic symptoms whether you're bipolar or not! What an insidious medication. I must congratulate the capitalistic spirit of the company who creates this medication because they have the potential to keep clients for life who feel desperately dependent on it; whether they need it or not!!!

Anyway, I suppose I should get to some sort of point here. Again, I am so grateful to have found that Lamictal does have withdrawal symptoms and it's not just me!!! This gave me the courage to try again and persist!!!! My doctor allowed for me to take extra Klonopin if necessary. I took a little extra, but not much.

Aside from more pharmaceuticals, I think some very natural things helped a lot with the withdrawal symptoms. The feelings of dizziness, shakiness, spaciness and nausea was really helped by drinking a GNC product that seems similar to mud, but isn't so bad if you gulp it all at once in 6 oz of ruby red grapefruit juice. It's called "SuperFoods Supreme" (complete formula), but I secretly call it "So disgusting, yet so effective." To help my mood and energy stay "ok" I made/make protein smoothies every morning with 1 scoop of GNC (I swear I don't work there) protein powder, two scoops of the GNC's "Women's Ultra Mega" powdered vitamin formula (I'm sure some of you can understand why I have no desire to take another stupid pill), some frozen strawberries, a banana, a little plain yoghurt and soy milk. The next thing I did that helped me stay ... sane, calm... was to simply walk on the treadmill for about twenty minutes while listening to music. At first, I really felt the impassioned anger of the song "Killing in the Name" by Rage Against the Machine (relating the "F*^&%#% you I won't do what you tell me" to all the psychiatrists that messed up nine years of my life while I trusted their "art" of psychiatry), but now I just feel tired and a bit more at peace. Of course I still could get mad at them, you, me, everyone, the leaf on my porch, or my glass of water, but I see no point. The actual point is that I'm not a naturally angry sort of person (though of course I can get angry just like the next person), but while I was experiencing the heightened emotions of anger and frustration, working it out through the music and exercise was sooooooooo helpful in calming my nerves.

So, I was on 300 mg of Lamictal and am now down to 50 mg. I am tired, but my head is no longer shaking. My speech is not slurred. The daily moodiness, feelings of agitation, anger and aggressiveness have all but dissipated. I am able to think more clearly, but I think it may still take a while for me to return to my full cognitive capability. I still feel a bit spacey, but people on this site have assured me that my brain will return to me in time. I've hated feeling "dumbed down" this whole time. Sometimes I've wondered what the differece between this drug and a street drug is. Then it would occur to me that a street drug is at least supposed to make you feel happy or something, right?...

I'm going to end this negatively positive comment with another "Thank you" and a wink of encouragement to any other strugglers out there. While I was feeling like absolute crap coming off of this medication I just kept reminding myself that I was continually feeling awful on the medication too. So, what's the difference? Either way I felt sick... This thought, too, gave me heart. But, I have to say, the first few taperings off the medication were the worst. Seriously, I felt like a drug addict desperate for a fix. But, after that, it kept getting easier and easier. Good luck.

Penelope,
Welcome.
Sherry (who somehow missed Lamictal, thank goodness)

I would like to stop taking all medications - cold turkey. I am currently on 10mg Lexapro, 200mg Lamictal, and 100mg Welbutrin. I stopped the Welbutrin about 3 days ago - no problem. The doctor was ok with me doing that. Now, we are in complete disagreement on how to come off the other drugs. Can I please hear some stories, if any, of people who have stopped Lamictal/Lexapro cold turkey - together?
Thanks.

Stacy,
Definitely do some serious research before cutting any psychotropic drug cold turkey. I wouldn't call 3 days a success story--yet. Hopefully it will be.

My experience, and that of many other people, is that stopping cold turkey is like taking a long walk off a short pier. You feel fine. For a while. Then, kersplash. It can be very dangerous.

Most people here have found that doctors know very little about withdrawing from psychotropics. It's a field in need of research at the moment.

I'd advise you to proceed very slowly, only do one med at a time. There are several blogs and information here that describe people's experiences and specific strategies to withdrawing from the drugs you've been taking. Please be kind to yourself and read a lot more about this stuff before doing anything.

Best wishes,
Sherry

Hi,
I am a 22 year old female that was put on lamictal for anxiety/moods over a year ago. I am now coming off of it, and have experienced anxiety and headaches. However, this is also the off week of my hormonal birth control. I was only on 50g of lamictal now cut to 25g. I am getting so scared reading this forum..Does any one know anything about pms and lamictal?
help!

Thanks, Sherry. I have read everything on this site (which seems to be one of the only sources of patient information). After reading it, I actually feel even more inclined to do this cold turkey. 1) I have the support system around me (24/7) to go through the "crash" and 2) I can take a month off work at one time. I get the sense from others' comments here that when you taper down, you experience some of the same symptons, to a lesser degree, each time you decrease the dosage. I cannot afford to have this sort of sporadic effect on my job. About 7 years ago, I came off my meds (not lamictal), tapering down over 4 months. It was tolerable, but not an easy 4 months. I would rather take this all at once, than stretch it out.




Having said this, I do not want to encourage anyone else to do this. I do believe, having talked to my doctor and reading the accounts listed on this site, that tapering down is the best way and safest way to come off lamictal. Unfortunately, given my work situation, I cannot take the chance of sporadic time off.




I will probably not start this until Monday after 4th of July. I will check back in and "journal" my experience, to hopefully help others' quest on these paths. Many people do not understand, but we are not alone in this! This is a wonderful forum to encourage and advise each other. Stay connected with a support group (friends, family, religion, or organized group).




One last note, I would like to become active in getting mental health care coverage to be equal to other health coverage. It is ridiculous that amount of money I have to pay for this. Many people cannot afford it and must go 1) without meds, 2) without doctors, or 3) without support. This is not only unfair and poor treatment to the individual experiencing life in this manner, but it can be a danger to society. Does anyone know of a group/company that advocates for mental health insurance coverage equality? Please let me know.

Wow, yeah Stacy, do keep in touch here.

This may be a dumb question, but have you looked up "mental health parity" on a search engine or two? It's a hot topic, for sure.

I take Lamictal for bipolar. I am completely out of my 200mg per day Lamictal. I have not taken my dose for 3 days. I go tomorrow to get a refill. Are there any dangerous withdrawal effects from stopping abruptly, until I am able to get my script filled? Thanks =)
Corinne

I have been trying to withdraw from Lamictal for about a month now after being on it for a little over two years (300mg). I have never been so miserable - brain fog, can't think/talk/write clearly, fatigue, nightmares...I think I am tapering too quickly, so after three days of 0mg, I went back to 75mg in hopes of arresting the awful symptoms. It doesn't seem to be helping much. All I hope is that this withdrawal doesn't last too much longer. It is almost worse than the depression for hwich I was originally prescribed Lamictal.

Lori,
If you were taking 300mg for two years, you definetly tapered to fast. Going back to 75mg is probably not going to help. I would go back up to 250mg or 200 at least, wait until you feel better and then drop by 25mg at the most, stay at the next dose at least a week if you have no withdrawal symptoms then decrease again, and so on. Unless you are pregnant or have a rash or some other reason you need to get off quickly.

I wish I knew what I know now when I was originally prescribed this drug. The psych that prescribed it is a "bipolar expert" and, I suspect, everyone that goes to him has bipolar disorder. Subsequently I've seen 3 different doctors and none of them agree with the bipolar diagnosis.

I originally went to him with a diagnosis of Adult ADD and depression. I was on Celexa and Straterra. He didn't like either of those drugs and he decided I was bi-polar so he moved me to Adderal & Lamictal. Soon after that I went into some sort of "crisis" I'd never had before and he hit me with zyprexa which was like an elephant gun

Bottom line, with every new symptom he added a new drug. Finally I said enough when after 4 years my wife said that I was far worse off than when I started. In the end I was on:

Lamictal - 600mg

Carbamazapine - 600mg

Addrerall XR - 20mg

Provigil - 400mg

Clonozepam - 2mg

He had been trying to get me up to 800mg of both lamictal and carb. but I just couldn't tolerate them. He wanted me to take the 600 of both at the same time before bed. I did that exactly once, I fell asleep on the couch watching TV and by the time my woke me up awhile later I didn't recognize her. I didn't know where I was or who I was.

Finally I shed the bipolar diagnosis (with other psychs) and started cutting back on the drugs. I'm now down to the Provigil and 250 mg of the Lamictal. But... I wish I'd known about this thread months ago, I am suffering. I feel like I can't give up the Lamictal because every time I go down I get worse until I start feeling a little better. I guess I should have realized these were withdrawl symptoms but I didn't.

I am exhausted all the time, I often feel suicidal (though I know I won't, I tried it once when I was a kid, not going to do that again).

I finally convinced my new psych that Lamictal was evil for me but that I couldn't give it up without something to give me a soft landing. He prescribed welbutrin which was great for my mood but I ended up in the ER with heart palpitations. He took me off that and said "there is no reason for you to have any kind of adverse reactions if you miss a dose of Lamictal or if you start getting off it." He would not give me anything else and just said that I had to get off Lamictal (if I wanted to) before he'd give me anything else.

Over and over I told him that when I forgot a dose I ended up sitting with my head in my hands until I got some more into my system. After fighting him for an hour of him telling me that it must be my imagination, I left dejected and found this and other threads. He actually was so convinced he was right that he was going to get a pharmacist to create random pills of placebo and lamictal so that I did not know which was which. This would prove to him and to me that my reaction to missing a dose was all in my head.

Now I've dropped them Welbutrin and have gone to 250 from 300 of Lamictal. Since I started Welbutrin 2 weeks ago I've been showing up to work but haven't been able to work. Now even though I'm off the Welbutrin, I'm still not able to work and I'm starting to get worried about my job.

Stacy's Journal Part I: Lexapro withdrawal.

I said I would journal my experience as I withdraw from Lexapro (10mg) and Lamictal (200mg). I am starting my Lexapro withdrawal today. I took my last scheduled dose yesterday at 8pm, and tonight will be my first day without it. I have been on Lexapro for 3 years now, and I will be very glad to be off of it!

Will write again soon - the good, bad, and worse.

Stacy's Journal Part I: Lexapro Withdrawal
2nd entry.

I'm 48+ hours into this. Last night, I felt anxious and a little shaky for about 30 minutes, but today I feel fine. I am taking vitamins and fish oil and eating a good diet, which I think is very important in helping myself through this wihtdrawal process. I like to eat whatever I want, but I've added lots of fruits and vegetables to it.

So far, so good.