April 30, 2007That Guy: A Definition Of PsychosisA bit of housekeeping here. In the wake of the Cho shooting, there was much discussion on this blog, the wider blogosphere and the media about psychosis (which turned into a short hand for schizophrenia). At times, including in comments on this site, there seemed to be a lot of confusion over what psychosis is. Here's the Wikipedia entry on psychosis. The basic definition is: 1. Hallucinations. 2. Delusions and paranoia. 3. Thought disorder. 4. Lack of insight. Cho certainly exhibited delusions, paranoia, thought disorder and a complete lack of insight. I am less clear from the information that's out there that he suffered from hallucinations (yes, he had a made-up girlfriend from space and said some crazy things about Vladimir Putin, but were those as a result of delusions or hallucinations?). Clinically, it's still not clear what was driving Cho. Autism? Asperger's? Schizophrenia? Depression? As I noted recently, my hunches center on psychosis NOS and Asperger's. I hope we do get an answer someday, a view well-articulated in this New York Times op-ed last week. Blogger Robert Lindsay has done an excellent job of beating down the schizophrenia dx, although he denies that Cho was psychotic (two posts here and here). I think he was, but like Lindsay I am not convinced of the Fuller Torrey line that Cho was a classic paranoid schizophrenic. Sadly, Lindsay mischaracterizes this blog as being "a good but anti-psychiatry-oriented blog (in other words, a typical mental health "consumer" blog)." Um, Bob, not true. But I knew that sooner or later someone would try and hang the anti-psychiatry albatross around my neck. But if being for truth in mental health (such as an end to cooked research data and full-disclosure about potential injuries suffered on atypicals) and transparency in how the system is run (like not allowing Big Pharma and its minions to call all the shots) counts as "anti" behavior, then go find me a sea bird. Posted by Philip Dawdy at April 30, 2007 12:05 AM
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Hi, I fixed the article and removed the text in question as per your criticisms. Paranoia is not a psychotic symptom. There are varying degrees of paranoia, which differ in terms of intensity from obsessional to overvalued ideas to ideas of reference all the way to delusions. Whether or not paranoia is a delusion has to do with the intensity of belief and frankly the specificity of the belief. Thought disorder in Cho I felt was due to autism. Thought disorder in psychosis usually refers to schizophrenia and has a characteristic look - which Cho lacked. It is also present in mania, but it looks a lot different - Cho did not have manic thought disorder. It's not necessarily present in other types of psychosis at all. FWIW, autistics have their own type of thought disorder. I'm with you on being cynical about p-docs (drug pushers) and drug companies (drug cartels). Thing is, only drugs have worked for me... Posted by: Robert Lindsay at April 30, 2007 01:13 AMI am sorry, Robert, but I am going to disagree with you about the paranoia. Paranoia can be a symptom of psychosis. It can take the form of a delusion (ok then in that case, not psychosis) like in delirium, a thought insertion (psychosis), thought content (psychosis), hallucination both visual and/or auditory (psychosis), or paranoid thinking. Paranoid thinking DOES NOT NECESSARILY IMPLY PSYCHOSIS, and it can be a symptom of many other disorders from personality (paranoid personality to hypomania, mania and substance induced disorders - think amphetamine/stimulant intoxication. I think that paranoia is NOT only a symptom of psychosis and schizophrenia. Maybe that is what you meant after all. If so, then we are in agreement. Cheers... You just got "Oppositional Defiant Disorder". Oppositional Defiance Disorder Alex is a member of my record label (Chorus) If you think George Bush is a moron (Chorus) If you think school is boring (Chorus) Posted by: Mark(p.s.2) at April 30, 2007 08:53 AMBetter link with better audio quality song here to Oppositional Defiance Disorder David Rovics I meant that paranoia is not a de facto psychotic symptom. Delusion is, pretty much. As you noted, paranoia can be present to varying degrees in many different disorders, and many paranoid people are not psychotic at all. I still say, "the world is mean and cruel and I hate the world and I'm going to kill people" is not a delusion, it's just a point of view. A messed up POV, sure, but a POV nonetheless. It's basically a matter of opinion. He says the world is mean and cruel, you and me say it isn't. It's almost a philosophical matter. I get tired of psychiatry always trying to extend its damn DSM into every nook and cranny of human existence, including matters of sociology, philosophy, etc. Posted by: Robert Lindsay at April 30, 2007 03:16 PMI 100% agree with there is a difference between a warped POV and psych dx. I almost think Camus' The Stranger explains this Cho guy about as well as anything else, you know? Posted by: Robert Lindsay at April 30, 2007 09:58 PMRegarding Cho, not only did he think the world was mean and cruel and therefore he ought to shoot it up, but also he blew his own brains out. I still say he was delusional to do this. He also dressed up for the occasion and produced a slew of videos and writings. I don't call this just having a POV about the world. I call it going mad and becoming seriously disconnected from reality (one way in which I define psychosis). As for the DSM I'm certainly not in favor of using that to explain anyone's behavior or worse to determine their "treatment" but that doesn't mean craziness, psychosis and madness aren't out there in spades. Posted by: Sara at May 1, 2007 10:21 AM |
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