April 10, 2007

More Cymbalta Problems

I have zero wisdom to offer this morning--not that I ever do--as I was working on an outside project last night. But I did want to pass along a few Cymbalta comments that have cropped up again. They seem to arrive in bunches and I know some of the commenters arrive here by way of a search engine. Interesting. As before, if anyone has Cymbalta stories they'd like to share, good or bad, pass them along.

First:

"I had the night sweats and dry mouth and sweating on Cymbalta. Don't know if the forgetfulness and fog was due to meds or fibro. All of the negative info out on Cymbalta is scary. I think it made me gain weight too. I am usually pretty thin and I weigh more than I have in my whole life. Used to weigh about 128 and now am up to 142. Very upsetting to me. Can't entirely blame Cymbalta since I over the last few years I've tried lots of meds for migraine management. Supposedly, Cymbalta is weight neutral but now I wonder if true.

I definitely agree with other posts that all meds have the ability to cause a wide variance of reactions to people. Just starts to make a person second-guess how great a med really is if so many people have such a strong reaction/ opinion to their experience on it. Felt ok overall taking it but didn't do what I was supposedly taking it for. Good for anxiety though. Hope my fibro muscle pain doesn't worsen once it's out of my system."

Then:

"I've finally taken the plunge, and am stopping Cymbalta. My psychiatrist told me to stop taking it cold turkey! As I've read that withdrawing from Cymbalta can rival the misery of stopping Effexor, I fought with him for the honor of tapering off the drug to reduce side effects. Today is my third day on the lowest dose, and next Saturday will be my first day without Cymbalta. I have a headache that is making it very difficult to read and think clearly. I hope this isn't just the beginning of the "fun"."

Makes sense to taper any med. And:

"My nightmare with Cymbalta happened when I tried to stop the drug cold. I was yanked off of it after it was suspected to have caused a nasty manic episode. I experience vertigo and a serious anxiety attack in the grocery store."

Now for a sad one (not that the others aren't):

"I am married to someone who started taking Cymbalta 1 1/2 mo. before our first son was born (10/06). He is an avid drinker, and despite the warnings cont'd to drink while taking Cymbalta. Since beginning this medication, my husband has turned into the most hateful, aggressive person. He wants nothing to do with me because I had to leave with our child after the police were called (by him) during his aggression one night. He is now seeing another woman and would like to get divorced. His family MD gave him this medication with no couseling involved. I understand alcohol doesn't help, but he is out of control and has no feeling of attachment what-so-ever. Does anyone have any suggestions, or have you heard of this happening? I have read some cases of mania, and it sounds like what is happening to him. He LOVES the medicine because he no longer worries about anything...including his family. Please help if you have any advice. Thank you."

Any ideas? I've heard of weird affectless behavior on SSRIs, but I haven't heard much about Cymbalta in this respect.

Posted by Philip Dawdy at April 10, 2007 12:01 AM
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My doctor was trying to take me up to 120 mg/day of Cymbalta to treat fibromyalgia symptoms. When the dose increased from 60 to 90 mg, I became hypomanic, and then became really depressed. Obviously that doesn't give you any information on manic episodes (I'm bipolar II), but Cymbalta definitely caused cycling in me.

Posted by: spotted elephant at April 10, 2007 12:31 PM

Dear Furious Seasons Readers,

I too think that taking Cymbalta was one of the worst TRIPS of my life!! When I was able to flee the U.S. and go to Canada and meet with a pharmacologist who specializes in SSRI/SSNRI molecules (doesn't see patients) who is not in a PHARMA pocket, he told me I had bipolar 3 , that is right 3. HYPOMANIA DUE TO SSRI/SSNRI POISONING!!! I was taking too much of everything. And he was correct! Once I slowly tapered off the Cymbalta, I was OKAY again. Folks, honestly, I never felt as sick, both physically and mentally, as I did while taking Cymbalta. I would DISCONTINUE immediately tapering if you feel you are not yourself! Please tell your prescriber that you are doing that. If they give you grief, FIND ANOTHER PROVIDER.

So, to all of you, who are experiencing hypomania OR LIKE THE OTHER READER whose HUSBAND is showing signs of hypomania too, MAYBE TRY slowly taper and maybe go see someone you can trust. I know they are hard to find. But once you do, its well worth it. I am not an MD, so I can not give medical advise. I just am telling you my opinions about myself.

BTW - I was told by 3 major psychiatrists that I could stop Neurontin COLD TURKEY. I questioned them repeatedly, and they said.. oh it would be fine. WELL IT WAS NOT FINE!! I went back and told each MD I got very very sick. Never tell your patients that!! They are so misguided.

Thank you very much.

Sincerely,

Dr. Black Kitty

Posted by: Dr. Black Kitty at April 10, 2007 09:18 PM

I just wanted to alert readers to the fact that tapering off Cymbalta is not an easy task for one practical reason. It comes in capsules with pellets inside and even the pellets are different sizes. The smallest dose is 20 mg I believe and, if you've been on Cymbalta for any length of time at all, that's not going to be a good dose from which to stop cold turkey. Taking it every other day or every third day is also not very satsifactory given what I believe is a fairly short half life. Your other alternatives are possibly taking the capsules apart yourself, separating the pellets by size and then reducing doses by decreasing the number of each size pellet you take. Another alternative is to go to a compounding pharmacy and have them make up the right dosages (expensive) and finally you can try switching to Prozac and taper from that. Sounds like fun, right? One almost wonders if this is deliberate to keep people on it. P.S. I am not a medical professional but have researched this specific topic with those who are.

Posted by: Sara at April 11, 2007 08:11 AM

Sara brings up an excellent point regarding tapering off of meds such as Cymbalta with the different sized pellets in the capsule.
This goes for time-released versions of medications as well. I was speaking to a pharmacist about this recently, and she told me never to split an extended release version med for tapering, because you will not know your exact dosage when you do. It would be wise and yes, tedious work, to get a replacement med in place to help remove the Cymbalta.
Conversations like these, hearing these stories about how difficult it is to remove meds, or seeing others change for the worse as a result of being on meds; is what needs to be discussed more than this rock solid pharma based plan of medicate, medicate...then drop the subject.
I have been told to drop Prozac cold turkey, as well as Seroquel. Prozac I was diligent with--Seroquel I was hasty, and had a rough time with cold turkey on that one. I also feel it triggered my recent re-awakening of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome that I was in a happy remission.
Doctors do not think potent chemicals like these can cause problems when they are removed....yet they do talk about slow addition when starting them.
Doesn't it just make sense to remove them as slowly?

Posted by: Stephany at April 11, 2007 09:52 AM

The husband out of control - serotonin boosters have a common effect called 'loss of inhibition' this means that the usual moral/ethical controls disappear and off the patient goes, a derailed train. Some drink, some gamble, some have affairs... Add in the oft encountered hypomania, booze (there are good reasons for not drinking when taking these A/Ds), the mood swings, anxiety and aggression, and there you have your typical serotonin-booster adverse effects. The fact that the husband loves the drug is also classic, he'll think he's having a whale of a time, and it is only after people have discontinued that they become aware of the damage the drug has caused to them, their lives and relationships.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 18, 2007 12:50 PM

At the moment, I'm taking 90 mg of this crazy drug, recently boosted from 60 mg. I've been taking this for about a half of a year for depression/anxiety, and realized I've been very detached from what's going on with my body.
Just over 2 months ago, I genuinely forgot to take my meds for over a week and had some serious withdraws. I went a little nutty and attempted suicide a couple of times... which is NOT like me. I'm finding some similar connections to your post. This is way more serious than I thought.

Posted by: n1c0star at April 18, 2007 12:56 PM

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