November 27, 2006

Atypicals Are Lousy For Schizophrenia, Bipolar Disorder

As I mentioned on Friday, the British press was alive with news of a study in the Archives of General Psychiatry in which British researchers claim that there is fundamentally no difference in patient outcomes between patients with schizophrenia who took either a first-generation antipsychotic or a second-generation antipsychotic (the atypicals). Why the Brit press just caught on to all of this when the study was published 7 weeks ago is beyond me. Not that the American media has done such a grand job with reporting this study.

I need to caution that I have not seen the paper in full yet (anyone want to send it to me?), so it is difficult for me to know exactly how they measured quality of life for patients and so on. But from the abstract and press accounts of the study (also here), it is clear to me that even the researchers were surprised by this outcome. In fact, they went back and ran their data again just to be sure.

I am not entirely sure which second-generation meds were used, but I know that Seroquel was among them (sulpiride was the first-generation drug used). This is now the third study in about a year to knockdown the prevailing orthodoxy that atypicals reduce symptoms better than first-generation antipsychotics and that the atypicals are so kinder and gentler with the side effects. I have discussed the CATIE study here and here.

All of these studies combined raise serious questions. Here are a few:

Why do pharma companies continue to charge anywhere from 8 to 20 times as much for atypicals as they do for older antipsychotics? Because they can and no one will question them on it.

Why do doctors continue to insist, in the face of compelling data, that atypicals are great? Because they can and no one will question them on it.

Why did NAMI National put out a press release and organize a teleconference for reporters soon after this Archives of General Psychiatry study called the status of atypicals into account? Because they can and no one will question them on it. And, NAMI National gets a lot of money each year from pharma companies. Any connection?

Why have these same atypicals suddenly become frontline treatments in treating bipolar disorder, despite a profound lack of independent evidence showing that these meds are good for schizophrenics and that those poor folks can barely tolerate taking them? Why would they suddenly become so "good" for bipolars? Hell, they don't even reduce re-hospitalization rates compared to only taking a mood stabilizer. Bipolars don't particularly fancy these meds, either, as I pointed out last year.

Why are we now giving them to children? Why are their parents going along for the ride?

Why has this gone down with such little public questioning or accountability among federal regulators, mental health advocates, the entire psychiatric profession and the media?

Why is there so much silence on this matter?

Well, fuck this silence. It's time for bullshit to be called on using atypicals in schizophrenia and bipolar disorder and all the other maladies of the mind and soul that the pharma companies want them to be used for. Bullshit. There I said it. (Actually, I've been saying it for over a year, for example in this post and in this long-winded article I wrote in my former employer's paper.)

Here, the head of the British research team, Shon Lewis, offers some thoughts to the BBC:

"Despite modern prescribing patterns, second-generation anti-psychotics are not the great breakthrough they were once thought to be--and certainly may not justify their 10-times higher price tag."

Change that "may" to "can." Still, Lewis gets points for honesty.

British advocacy groups are taking the same stance NAMI National took in October. From the BBC:

"Marjorie Wallace, chief executive of the mental health charity SANE, warned it would be wrong to limit accessibility to news anti-psychotics. 'What we hope is that the study will flag up the importance of patients being able to look at the risks and benefits of different drugs, matched to their own biochemistry, and that it will encourage the pharmaceutical companies in their current research to develop third-generation medications'."

Um, whatever. NAMI National's medical director, Ken Duckworth, said this back then:

"General findings cannot be substituted for specific choices made in treating individuals with schizophrenia. One size does not fit all. It is critical that the study's limitations be recognized."

Why do groups like NAMI never recognize the limitations of pharma-funded studies that are used to justify using atypicals and licensing in the first place? Why is it that in many of those studies, you'll find huge dropout rates among participants and that for those who stick out the entire study that only about half the patients see any real benefit? Sounds pretty limited to me.

And why aren't the NAMIs of the world bothered by the fact that in the US 90 percent of the antipsychotics prescribed are atypicals? Who does this group really represent?

In October, NAMI National criticized the British study for not being useful in American medical circles because:

"The British study relies heavily on an older drug, sulpiride that has never been approved by the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) and is unavailable in the United States."

At the time, I let that assessment slip, but now it bugs me. Why? Because sulpiride is off-patent, so why would any pharma comapny go to the expense of getting it licensed in the States? And, because sulpiride is a kissing cousin of other antipsychotics like amisulpride. For all I know, it's like Haldol, too.

But, then, there's plenty of truth evasion going on outthere. A reporter at The Guardian called AstraZeneca for comment on the British study. Here's what the reporter got:

"A spokesman for AstraZeneca, which manufactures the second generation drug quetiapine, said the study did not measure the effectiveness of individual drugs and that quality of life in schizophrenic patients was difficult to measure."

Quality of life is hard to measure? Oh, please. That's about as bad as last year when, soon after the CATIE study came out, a couple of researchers at Eli Lilly published a paper claiming that the patients were at fault for not taking their Zyprexa properly. (Sadly, I cannot find that Eli Lilly paper at the moment. But I will. :))

So I wonder if this chap at AZ could go check his calendar, find an afternoon when he's free, and then go fuck himself.

God knows that first generation antipsychotics are nasty drugs, chock-full of zombieism-inducing side-effects. I am not against using atypicals and I am not in favor of restricting their access to patients, provided that said patient actually benefits from the drug. I am against the American public being ripped off for their cost. And, I am decidedly against their use as a long-term maintenance medication in bipolar disorder. I have noted before that I have no problem using them to address short-term crises. But using them day-in, day-out for years and years is without justification, in children, teens and adults.

I think this British study is a huge wake-up call for patients, doctors, the media and advocates. Are they listening? (OK, the New York Times seems to be waking up.)

Posted by Philip Dawdy at November 27, 2006 12:38 AM
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Excellent points, once again. What I found particularly enjoyable about this article was that the attached commentaries in the journal were quite critical of atypical antipsychotics. Among some academics, the tide seems to be shifting away from glorifying atypicals, but I am certain that there are enough "key opinion leaders," aka academics on the take from the drug industry, that the rage for atypicals will likely continue for years.

Posted by: CL Psy at November 27, 2006 12:50 PM

Have you compared the side-effect profiles for, oh say, Haldol and Seroquel?

THAT'S why they charge so much more for atypicals. All these recent news stories claiming that the first generation neuroleptics are "just as good" as the newer ones conveniently leave out the fact that the newest drugs (Geodon, Abilify) result in little or NO EPS. Risperdal, Seroquel and Zyprexa are also fucking godsends compared to Thorazine and Stellazine. I, for one, am very happy to be alive in a time when I have a choice between Thorazine and Zyprexa.

What you and the media are doing is outright irresponsible.

Daniel.

Posted by: Daniel Fleisher at November 29, 2006 03:33 AM

Each and every medication we could possibly list here has horrifying side effects as a possibility.
The point being made here is that too many people are being unnecessarily medicated, with over-priced medications that are not proven to help more than another.
Not one person reading here or otherwise can guarantee what med we have paradoxical effects on, what med will give side effects, or even kill us.
Death is listed as a side effect (side effect!)in most every prescibing fact sheet given with these medications.
Read the Clozaril guide on the FDA website. My daughter trialed each drug we are talking about here:
risperdal
zyprexa
abilify
seroquel
another daughter almost lost her vision on Geodon, not to mention look at that profile for heart related issues.
I just went to the ER over the Holidays due to heart issues from the Seroquel. The ER doc confirmed it was not typical "I ate too much" on Thanksgiving day. My heart was racing off the charts.
Clozaril needs to be monitored with a blood draw every 2 weeks for my daughter to make sure (and to be able by law to receive) her white blood count isn't below normal as in leukemia.
This is VERY responsible writing and commenting here, and one could learn a lot with an open mind.
Good luck to anyone of us trialing any of these medications, it is without a doubt the most screwed up way to get your mind healthy offered to us.
Knowledge is your best weapon.
Being medicated with heavy duty medications that have long term side effects being handed out by docs like candy, is the reason for the discussion.
Abilify made one of my kids so manic she couldnt sleep for a week.
Geodon created vision problems so bad my daughter had to go off of it.
I do not call that little or no EPS.

I have the unfortunate position as a mother to see my kids suffer on every med you could possibly type here.

The only medication so far out of 13+ meds that has received rave reviews from my kids,,, w/out side effects is Lamictal.

Go ahead and call it irresponsible Daniel.

If you are lucky enough to never suffer one side effect from a med of your choice, then be sure to report that back here, I would like to know which wonder drug you found.

Posted by: Stephany at November 29, 2006 10:28 AM

I find it frustrating that the docs push us toward new meds even when old meds are working for us. It took me seven years to get *back* onto MAO inhibitors, which are the *only* antidepressants that work for me--not unusual for a Type II bipolar--while my new doc in a new city ran me through everything that's been invented in the last 20 years. Including Cymbalta, which put me in the hospital.

But as for the atypicals ... well, I seem to need a couple of antipsychotics in my cocktail. And I'm pretty happy that neither of the atypicals I use causes tardive dyskinesia or other florid side effects that would "out" me. Yeah, there's not research behind it. But I'm really glad that my doc, an internationally published clinical researcher, makes good educated judgments in my treatment that go beyond the published trials.

Posted by: CarrieB at December 6, 2006 04:48 PM

I don't think it's irresponsible for people to hear other viewpoints. I also don't think it's irresponsible to ask that drug companies be honest about the risks. I've mentioned it before, but it's worth repeating...I talked with a woman taking antipsychotics who after the antipsychotics were introduced became obese and diabetic. She still considered it worth it compared to how her life was before the antipsychotics. Who am I to question that? She's the only one who can make that call. But, it's not worth the risk to me. That's why it's important that information on risks/side effects are out there, so we can make our own decisions.

Posted by: Lisa at February 8, 2007 08:06 PM

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